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  1.    #1  
    I've noticed on the thread for ROM changes that everyone seems to hate RealPlayer. I'm just starting to use my Treo 650 for MP3, and I'm wondering what exactly you guys don't like? Too simple? Lacking features? Annoyed at Real Player because of the way the PC version behaves?
  2. #2  
    Mark,

    I'm not sure it's that people "hate" Real Player, it's just that Pocket Tunes is SOOO much better, they don't feel the need for RP when they know they're going to install PT anyway. That was definitely the case for me at least. Shoutcast alone is worth PT over RP anyday.
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    Real puts so much garbage on your PC. An awful lot of stuff that is trapped as ad/spyware. Based on this, I simply don't want anything to do with their products.
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    BTW, will the Pocket Tunes that was a free download with the 600 work on the 650 as well?
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    Actually, I do "hate" Real and their RealPlayer... and their "Freedom of Choice" marketing... and all the bull**** they have pulled over the last 2+ years. The other day in visiting Real's website for a view upon the ridiculousness that is Real, I came across the instructions below:


    To set up your Apple iPod to be fully compatible with RealPlayer, you will need to do the following:


    - Install the iPod software and iTunes
    - Update iTunes
    - Update your iPod software
    - Activate your iPod
    - Enable disk use option in iTunes
    - Turn off automatic synchronization in iTunes
    - Install the iPod plugin for RealPlayer 10
    Step 1: Install the iPod 2.1 software and iTunes.

    BEFORE YOU BEGIN: DO NOT connect your iPod until requested to do so by your iPod installation software.

    Note: The installation experience may vary depending on your version of the iPod and iPod software. If you encounter any problems during the first six sections, please contact Apple Technical Support.


    1. Ensure that your iPod is not attached to your computer.
    2. To see if the iPod software has been installed yet, click Start and go to Programs.
    - If you see an item called iPod, you have already installed your iPod software. Stop here and go to the next section, Ensure you have the latest version of iTunes.
    - If you do not see this item, continue with these instructions.
    3. Insert the iPod CD that came with your device.
    4. The Installation CD automatically begins to run. If it does not, open My Computer and double-click the CD drive that holds the installation CD.
    5. Select your preferred language and click OK. Setup will begin configuring the Windows InstallShield Wizard. When it is finished, a picture of your iPod will appear.
    6. Click Install.
    7. Follow the on-screen instructions to register your product.
    8. When the registration portion is completed, you will be asked if you want to configure your iPod. Follow the on-screen instructions to properly configure your iPod.
    9. When this is finished, you will be asked to install iTunes. Follow the on-screen instructions to properly install iTunes.
    10. When the iTunes installer has finished, the screen will disappear for a few moments and then pop back up, asking you to restart your machine. Select Yes, I want to restart my computer now.
    11. Click Finish. Your computer will restart.
    Step 2. Ensure you have the latest version of iTunes.

    1. Click Start, and go to Programs > iTunes > iTunes.
    2. When iTunes has started, click the Help menu and select Check for iTunes Updates.
    3. If a new version of iTunes is available, you will be asked if you want to download it. Click Yes. This redirects you to Apple's iTunes download site.
    4. Follow the instructions on the screen to download the iTunes installer.
    5. When the download of the iTunes installer is complete, start the file to install the latest version of iTunes. Restart your computer when prompted to do so.
    Step 3. Ensure you have the latest iPod software.

    1. Click Start, and go to Programs > iPod > System Software > Updater.
    2. Allow the updater to load. If the iPod software is lower than 2.1, please visit www.apple.com/ipod/download to download the latest version available for your specific iPod.
    Step 4. Activate your iPod.

    Note: You will only need to do this the very first time you open iTunes with your iPod attached.


    1. Open iTunes. Your iPod should be detected automatically by iTunes. If it does not, turn off your computer, unplug your iPod when your iPod says it is safe to do so, and restart your computer. When the computer has completely restarted, plug the iPod back in and then open iTunes.
    2. The iPod Setup Assistant starts.
    3. Name your iPod and click Finish.
    Step 5. Check if disk use is disabled in iTunes.

    RealPlayer will not be able to detect your iPod if disk use is disabled in iTunes. To resolve this issue, enable disk use in iTunes:


    1. Open iTunes on your desktop computer.
    2. In iTunes, right-click the iPod image.
    3. Left-click iPod Options.
    4. Select the Enable Disk Use check box.
    5. When a warning box appears, stating that you will need to manually eject the device, click OK.
    - Note: This message means that before unplugging your iPod from the computer, you will need to use the Eject Device feature of iTunes or RealPlayer, or the Microsoft utility called Unplug or Eject Hardware or Safely remove hardware. On Windows 2000 and Windows XP, all FireWire and USB devices must be disabled before you can unplug them.
    6. Click OK.
    7. Close iTunes.


    RealPlayer should now be able to detect your device.
    Step 6: Turn off automatic synchronization in iTunes.

    1. From within iTunes, right-click your iPod and left-click on iPod Options.
    2. Place the dot next to Manually manage songs and playlists.
    - Note: This change is essential because the default setting of iTunes 4.2 automatically synchronizes your iPod library with the iTunes library. If you leave it at the default setting, every time you open iTunes with your iPod attached, all songs placed on the device by a program other than iTunes will be erased from the iPod.
    3. Click OK twice and close iTunes.
    Step 7. Install the iPod plugin for RealPlayer 10.

    1. Ensure that your iPod is connected to your computer.
    2. Open RealPlayer.
    3. Click the Tools menu and select Add A New Device.
    4. A Portable Devices window opens. In the Apple iPod section, click the Install the device for RealPlayer 10 link.
    5. Follow the on-screen instructions, choosing all defaults. When the installation is complete you will be asked to restart the RealPlayer.
    6. Click OK to restart RealPlayer 10.
    7. When the player opens you will be redirected to the Burn/Transfer section of RealPlayer 10. Click the drop-down arrow next to Current Burner/Device and select your iPod.


    Your iPod is now properly configured for use with RealPlayer 10.


    There, that's all there is to it.

    But you still can't use Real songs on Mac OS X... because these instructions are for Windows users. Real has not made this possible for the Mac platform which makes their companies mission and mantra, "Freedom of Choice", all that much more laughable.

    They have put themselves in a tight spot because the company promised "your songs will work on the iPod via harmony". That is still not possible as far as I can tell. There are millions (soon to be billions) of iPods out there and if people or groups or organizations wanted to sue, they would have a good case.

    A question directly related to this thread, who has actually been able to sync their Real store songs to their Treo? Or anything for that matter.
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    Then they have the nerve to refer you to Apple if it doesn't work. Check out the link. Hilarious. I cannot believe they actually have the gull (and such poor business sense) to expect Apple to provide support for Real's own software. Software that is illegal and in direct violation of copyright material and software licenses clearly belonging to Apple.
  7. #7  
    i agree, i hate what real player does to the computer, and their marketing b/s. i use real alternative on my computer.

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  8. #8  
    Moved.
  9. #9  
    They definitely have managed to get a bad reputation over the years.
  10. #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by michaelkpate
    They definitely have managed to get a bad reputation over the years.
    A REAL bad reputation even

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