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  1. #81  
    Poor Prince Eboh.
  2. #82  
    Quote Originally Posted by swsteckly
    However, what the hell were you thinking, bidding on and winning an item, then acting as though he is obligated to answer your questions and meet your demands after you have already contractually agreed to buy the item? You should clear up any questions BEFORE bidding. If I was selling an item (in a legit manner, of course) and had someone win my item, then try to ask questions, I'd be extremely angry.

    Not to take steam away from his obvious lying, however. I think there are two problems here.
    Ditto...

    This thread earks me so much I had to exit lurker status and register to reply.
    I'm happy you didn't get scammed but really. If you bid and win; the time for questions is OVER so long as the person is abiding by the payment and delivery rules they have posted. If the auction is almost over and there is not enough time for questions then you simply got to it too late.

    This only pisses me off because it (1) costs money to sell on eBay (2) wastes my time and (3) outbids a real buyer who now leaves the market because he bids on the next auction that's not mine. And I'm still left to deal with you.

    Granted, the end result in this case was good; you didn't get scammed. But aside from that, this just a bad and irresponsible to conduct business. Your bid is your contract, it says that right on the page...if you are unsure the remedy is simple, don't bid.
  3. #83  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Thanks for a good read Joe. This is hilarious. This guy is amazingly stupid. Too bad there isnt a way to fake a WU payment. Anyone know a way to get bogus confirmation?
    in one of those two links I posted, the guy uses a bogus WU receipt..... Thinkin i can photoshop it.. Still waiting to hear back from the Queen though -- hope I didn't scare him/her away..... http://discussion.treocentral.com/im...milies/eek.gif
  4. #84  
    ruh roh

    --- Queenmonaco@aol.com wrote:

    > I am sorry but i allready did enaugh i will send
    > them to other buyers.
    > Thanks for your time
    Queen, I went ahead and sent the money.... Please -- I have a receipt but cannot scan it until tomorrow night (I will show it to you as proof)! Please take this picture for me and I will give you the transaction number for the $1800 dollars... I really need those Treo's.

    Thank you
    Last edited by Joebar; 12/15/2004 at 10:01 PM.
  5. #85  
    Print out that form, write it in and scan it! Maybe that will work. By the way Joe, this is hilarious. Thanks for the great read.
    Sprint Treo 650

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  6. #86  
    Wow -- I got home to three fresh replies!

    ------
    As i told you if you be able to make the payment today ok.
    I have the phones in my store 50 miles from me and i can't make more
    photos today. I also don't have time to lose too and i will probably sell them to
    other buyers because i have enaugh of them intrested.
    Thanks and please decide asap

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    I don't need the receipt.
    I will need the next information:

    1. money transfer control number
    2. the exactly sender's name as it appear on the western union
    receipt(your name).
    3. The exactly location you send the money from(the address of The
    western union agent you use to send the money ).
    4.The total amount you send without western union fees.
    5. Make sure you spell my name corectly at western union and if you
    haven't please call them and modify it with the exactly one i gave you.


    Please go at:
    https://wumt.westernunion.com/asp/orderStatus.asp
    Thank you.
    ------

    Email me asap with all the info because i can't stay online for more.
    Thanks


    Looks like he may be a little to experienced with scamming people for me to foll him with the fake western union receipt..... but I'll try
  7. #87  
    Send him the receipt anyway with some kind of confused stupidity. Ask him if he lives near Rome.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar99
    Wow -- I got home to three fresh replies!

    ------
    As i told you if you be able to make the payment today ok.
    I have the phones in my store 50 miles from me and i can't make more
    photos today. I also don't have time to lose too and i will probably sell them to
    other buyers because i have enaugh of them intrested.
    Thanks and please decide asap

    ------

    I don't need the receipt.
    I will need the next information:

    1. money transfer control number
    2. the exactly sender's name as it appear on the western union
    receipt(your name).
    3. The exactly location you send the money from(the address of The
    western union agent you use to send the money ).
    4.The total amount you send without western union fees.
    5. Make sure you spell my name corectly at western union and if you
    haven't please call them and modify it with the exactly one i gave you.


    Please go at:
    https://wumt.westernunion.com/asp/orderStatus.asp
    Thank you.
    ------

    Email me asap with all the info because i can't stay online for more.
    Thanks


    Looks like he may be a little to experienced with scamming people for me to foll him with the fake western union receipt..... but I'll try
  8. #88  
    Queen Florina,

    I just got home sorry to keep you waiting. Here is a scan of my western union receipt from earlier (attached jpg).. Please verify your name is spelled correctly and that is the correct address. I circled Yes where it said that you will bring identification. I hope that is not a problem.

    I must have the photo of you holding a sign saying "Thank you Joebar" before I can release to you the transfer number. I'm sorry to delay this, but it is the only way my wife will allow me to send the money.

    I will provide all the other information you asked for as well.

    Thank you -- looking forward to hearing back from you.


    Hope he doesn't catch anything wrong with the western union fees... Have no idea what the fees were so just made stuff up.... I think it looks legit enough overall though that he'll hopefully fall for it I want my picture!
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  9.    #89  
    Quote Originally Posted by Nice eBay Fraud Prevention Person
    Hello Jaron,

    Thanks for writing to us. My name is Salvo and I appreciate the chance
    to help you with your questions regarding item 5736826814 from seller
    "tariq201", who is no longer a registered user.
    Well, it looks like Mr. Tariq King decided his show was over. Oh well... He'll be back with another 650 soon, I'm sure...
  10. #90  
    Just to make it easier to scam the scammers next time...
    That's what I used when I wanted to have a little fun with the Nigerian scammers (you can get them to do many cool things, like pose and send you funny photos with them holding signs AND MORE...)

    Use it wisely.
    Ix.

    BTW, you might need to explain the blurry passport (I usually say my scanner broke so I had to use a cheap phone camera)...

    Good luck
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  11.    #91  
    Quote Originally Posted by DigglerD
    Ditto...

    This thread earks me so much I had to exit lurker status and register to reply.
    I'm happy you didn't get scammed but really. If you bid and win; the time for questions is OVER so long as the person is abiding by the payment and delivery rules they have posted. If the auction is almost over and there is not enough time for questions then you simply got to it too late.

    This only pisses me off because it (1) costs money to sell on eBay (2) wastes my time and (3) outbids a real buyer who now leaves the market because he bids on the next auction that's not mine. And I'm still left to deal with you.

    Granted, the end result in this case was good; you didn't get scammed. But aside from that, this just a bad and irresponsible to conduct business. Your bid is your contract, it says that right on the page...if you are unsure the remedy is simple, don't bid.
    The only response I have to this is to say that I am the customer, and the buyer is providing a service to me. Just like a real auction (my grandfather is an auctioneer in the UK, so this is something I am very familiar with), a bid can be cancelled if the seller is unable to provide the product or service, or if the item was not described properly. In this particular instance, I bid, with full intention of buying the phone. When questions started to pop into my mind about the legitimacy of this auction, I decided to make certain the seller was telling the truth. It is not uncommon on eBay to ask for additional photos or evidence of something after bidding is over. In a real life auction, at the cashier, an individual has the chance to inspect an item. In many cases with an open auction floor, the bidders can peruse items prior to the auction getting underway, and then decide if they want to bid.

    When the person you are dealing with is sitting behind a computer screen hundreds of miles away, you cannot inspect the merchandise prior to bidding. If the buyer does not present *actual* photos of the merchandise, why is it so terrible for me to protect my investment and make sure he's telling the truth? We entering into a binding contract, and the contract is governed by the accuracy of the auction description. If the description or behaviour casts doubt, eBay recommends contacting the seller to try and work things out.

    That is what they have told me during this whole situation, and that is what I tend to do. Of course, with this, I learned my lesson: I plan on following the guidelines they've established for safe bidding. That includes only bidding if there are real photos describing the exact product, good feedback, contacting other sellers, etc.

    I also want to add to this that I had EVERY intention of buying the phone if the auction was legitimate. If i had zero doubts (like I do with most auctions) prior to bidding, I would probably be short $800 now. But, through this community and advice from the 32+ e-mails I received from other eBay members (many of whom want to do what joebar is doing), I had a change of heart and decided to play along. The scammer's attitude was something I have never seen before on eBay. Most sellers are willing to work with you and protect their reputations. This guy clearly was a fake, and had no intention of making this transaction work.

    And frankly, I couldn't care less if I wasted your money. I want to be satisfied with my purchase, and if I do my part to get you payment on time, you should shut up and be happy with it. If I have questions after the sale, like shipping, and so on, they need to be answered. This guy didn't answer ANYTHING. He just made up excuses. I've never had this experience before, and that ultimately sealed the deal.
    Last edited by jaronbrass; 12/16/2004 at 12:07 AM.
  12. #92  
    Nice ix!

    Here's my latest from the scammer:

    Dear Joebar
    I am sorry to tell you this but i realy don't like this deal.
    I have to cancel the order...it is not about one picture i have to make but this will take us to lose another day.
    Please go back at western union and retraw your money.
    Thank you


    argh..... Probably afraid to give out a picture knowing what he's doing is illegal Gotta come up with something good to write back with.......... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
  13. #93  
    Dear Joebar
    I am sorry to tell you this but i realy don't like this deal.
    I have to cancel the order...it is not about one picture i have to make
    but this will take us to lose another day.
    Please go back at western union and retraw your money.
    Thank you

    ---- bummer-- here's my reply and last attempt

    Queen, a few extra days doesn't matter to me -- if you
    want I can include an additional $200 for priority
    overnight shipping from Romania. If that is not
    enough let me know -- The money is not a concern, I
    just need the GSM treo's any way I can get some. They
    are not available here in the US yet.

    Please take the digital photo for me and I will give
    you my transaction number and will get another for the
    extra shipping cost.

    I hope this is acceptable to you
    Thanks very much

    --- then i got this

    > Dear sir
    > I am realy sorry but please go back and take your
    > money back.
    > I realy don't like this business ,you are not a man
    > of your word.
    > I realy losed time and i allready try to search
    > other buyers.

    > Thanks

    --- and wrote back

    I am not a man of my word? I went down and got the
    $1500 and proved it to you with a receipt!! All we
    ask of you is a stupid photo to prove you are not a
    scammer and I will send the transfer code ASAP. If we
    don't complete this deal our christmas will be ruined


    -- and then got this winner back from him --

    I am sorry for your Christmas but the deal is allready off.
    I will send you the western union fees you payd to send me the payment.
    I think it is 39 $ right?
    I am sorry for all this.
    Thanks




    Last edited by Joebar; 12/17/2004 at 03:58 PM.
  14. #94  
    Lol
    Palm III > HS Visor > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 750 > Treo Pro > PrePlus GSM

    "95% of all software issues are due to USER ERROR."
  15. #95  
    Lmao!!!!!!!
  16. #96  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar99
    I will send you the western union fees you payd to send me the payment.
    I think it is 39 $ right?

    Please, please, please tell me you took Queen Fiorina for $39 bucks...
  17. #97  
    I'd love to but don't want him to know my name or address... Don't wanna mess with paypal either. Any ideas?
  18. #98  
    They'll probably say they sent it to you and send you a phony scanned receipt

    You could set up an account with that Apex bank in Holland or whatever it was called from the 419 link you posted earlier

    er-- how bout a P.O. Box under a phony name
    Palm III > HS Visor > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 750 > Treo Pro > PrePlus GSM

    "95% of all software issues are due to USER ERROR."
  19. #99  
    Quote Originally Posted by jaronbrass
    The only response I have to this is to say that I am the customer, and the buyer is providing a service to me. Just like a real auction (my grandfather is an auctioneer in the UK, so this is something I am very familiar with), a bid can be cancelled if the seller is unable to provide the product or service, or if the item was not described properly.
    Regardless of your experience, you said it, online is a different entity. I don't need experience to read the page (attached) that is provided to the bidder before every single bid.
    In this case the auction clearly said ask questions before bidding, you did not... it clearly stated what you were bidding on regardless of its authenticity and you still bid on the item... eBay clearly states you are entering a contract and will pay, not a ticket to a Q&A session.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaronbrass
    And frankly, I couldn't care less if I wasted your money. I want to be satisfied with my purchase, and if I do my part to get you payment on time, you should shut up and be happy with it. If I have questions after the sale, like shipping, and so on, they need to be answered. This guy didn't answer ANYTHING. He just made up excuses. I've never had this experience before, and that ultimately sealed the deal.
    In this case his reply and fustration is clearly warranted, you turnd a blind eye to the instructions he paid for when he paid to place the auction, you turned a blind eye to an additional page that eBay provides to ensure that buyers don't renig...

    You don't care if you wasted his money and that's the problem, you are not thinking of anyone other than yourself. It's hapened to me before and I did care that my money was wasted AND that I had to waste time and relist.

    You basicly went to the store, cut in front of everyone in line, promised to buy the LAST box of Sees candies on the shelf at 7:59pm on Febuary 14th, asked them to hold it and turn everyone else away and THEN decided that you didn't want to get your wife the candies runining the chance for anyone else to buy them.

    In this case you didn't get ripped off and a scammer got annoyed BUT that's not always how it works out. Real people get screwed by people who can't keep thier finger off that mouse button until they decide wether they really want to enter the contract or not.

    I've been screwed before as you can tell...
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  20. #100  
    Quote Originally Posted by scottymomo
    er-- how bout a P.O. Box under a phony name
    yeah, but too much work for 30 bucks

    maybe i'll set up a po box and start a full time scam-reversal job
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