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  1.    #1  
    I don't understand where you folks are buying this $600 Treo 650.

    With tax and shipping the cost of the "base system" is ironically closer to $650.

    Then you need to buy all new vehicle charger, USB travel cable, extra removable battery, traveling power adapter, and when available, new cradle or cradles. Estimate: $150.

    Then you need to buy zLauncher and a SD Card.
    And if you want the DateBook views, you need to buy DateBook 5.

    So when you get through all that, you've spent $1000 on a device that emulates the Treo 600. It's got a much better keyboard and display, but it's slower and has any number of inexplicable delays, noises and glitches.

    And of course the $1000 cost doesn't include the dozens of hours you'll spend getting it to work. I still haven't got Vindigo to function properly, and am seriously considering giving up on that one.

    Caveat Upgrador!
  2. #2  
    In my experience everything on my 650 is working fine... including vindigo. Plus I got mine for $450, and I have a $350 one on its way from viennachannels which is going on ebay for $600 to further reduce my $450 cost to $200... $250 tops with taxes and shipping costs

    Have you even used a 650?
  3. #3  
    I didnt need to buy a new vehicle charger, USB travel cable, or extra removable battery. Im not buying a new cradle.

    I already have a SD card and dont want ZLauncher.

    The default Datebook is fine with me.

    It took me 15 minutes to load my apps up on it.
  4. #4  
    The device is MUCH better than the 600 in my experience (own them both)... the Bluetooth and better screen alone make it worth it in my mind - and it didn't cost me $600 either (more like $450)... even with the sorta crappy Bluetooth implementation it's still a great device... lovin' it.
  5. #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by barryrosenbaum
    I don't understand where you folks are buying this $600 Treo 650.

    With tax and shipping the cost of the "base system" is ironically closer to $650.

    Then you need to buy all new vehicle charger, USB travel cable, extra removable battery, traveling power adapter, and when available, new cradle or cradles. Estimate: $150.

    Then you need to buy zLauncher and a SD Card.
    And if you want the DateBook views, you need to buy DateBook 5.

    So when you get through all that, you've spent $1000 on a device that emulates the Treo 600. It's got a much better keyboard and display, but it's slower and has any number of inexplicable delays, noises and glitches.

    And of course the $1000 cost doesn't include the dozens of hours you'll spend getting it to work. I still haven't got Vindigo to function properly, and am seriously considering giving up on that one.

    Caveat Upgrador!
    The costs of new accessories is largely offset by putting your owns on eBay. The cost of the Treo 650 is about $450 after rebates and the old one can be sold for $275-300 or so on eBay. PalmOne toss in a Jabra BT 250 that can also go on ebay to net another $50. By the time you are done, you have paid maybe $100-$200.

    Zlauncher is a free upgrade and Palm would have sent you and SD card for free if you bought at the right time (don't know about now). Plus you don't need an SD card any more on a Treo 650 than you do a Treo 600. Which is to say that 99% of users will want them. And the cost of my 256MB card was $7 after rebate, not exactly a backbreaker. Compare that cost to the price of 256MB mp3 player.
  6. #6  
    First post for Barry. Hmm.

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  7. #7  
    Here's my math on my purchase:

    Treo 650 from Amazon.com..........$599.00
    Discount from Amazon.com..........-$30.00
    Rebates (2 yr. agreement
    -150.00 + $50.00 rebate
    from Amazon (by12/01)..............-$200.00
    Equip. Upgrade Rebate
    for Sprint w/ 2 year
    agreement..............................-$150.00
    Turn in old phone to Sprint.........-$50.00
    Free shipping............................$0

    Total cost for phone..................$169.99
    Add 1 gb SD card from Amazon....$74.00
    Add Jabra FreeSpeak BT250
    Headset for Bluetooth Phones......$79.00
    (order w/ phone).....................-$30.00

    Total.....................................$292.00

    Having the coolest phone ever...........Priceless
  8.    #8  
    OK, so this is my second post. Does that make it more legitimate? And I assume I should ignore the first post from each of you veterans?

    I guess you guys showed the irrelevance of the numerous elitist claims on this board that "only power users and rich people would buy a $600 phone". Since you've proved that the phone is basically free, you should certainly expect any number of newbie, novice and non-techie questions.

    I have loaded zLauncher, SnapperMail and DateBook5 into memory, and several other apps into the SD card. I have 9MB left in memory. Every time I try to install Vindigo or HandMark Express, HotSync fails with an insufficient memory error. This happens whether I try to install into memory or directly to the SD card.

    I love the new keyboard, like the new display, am waiting for BlueTooth to settle down, and haven't used the removable battery yet. I hate the amount of time I need to spend managing the device, and the delays in switching apps are intolerable. It is not unusal for me to watch 30 seconds of a blank screen after I push the phone button. TEN dollars is too much to pay for that, let alone $1000.

    I am nowhere near as happy with this device as I was with the 600. Had I been given this device first, I would have probably been satisfied with the memory limitations and then enjoyed the upgrade to a device which could do so much more. Instead, I paid a lot of money and got a few minor improvements and a device which does much less.

    It's totally possible, but highly unlikely, that these problems are all my fault. I continue to advise people against upgrading until I can start using my device, rather than managing it.
  9. #9  
    Quote Originally Posted by barryrosenbaum
    I don't understand where you folks are buying this $600 Treo 650.

    With tax and shipping the cost of the "base system" is ironically closer to $650.

    Then you need to buy all new vehicle charger, USB travel cable, extra removable battery, traveling power adapter, and when available, new cradle or cradles. Estimate: $150.

    Then you need to buy zLauncher and a SD Card.
    And if you want the DateBook views, you need to buy DateBook 5.

    So when you get through all that, you've spent $1000 on a device that emulates the Treo 600. It's got a much better keyboard and display, but it's slower and has any number of inexplicable delays, noises and glitches.

    And of course the $1000 cost doesn't include the dozens of hours you'll spend getting it to work. I still haven't got Vindigo to function properly, and am seriously considering giving up on that one.

    Caveat Upgrador!
    I just bought my new service Treo 650 for $369 with rebates on Amazon.com. I do not need a removable battery, traveling power adapter, new cradle or cradles, or the all new vehicle charger. Shipping is $6.98 and it is on the Internet so there is no tax. I don't need zLauncher and I don't need Datebook 5.

    Total Cost: $376.97. Not $1000.

    Rock
    Sprint Treo 650

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  10. #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by barryrosenbaum
    OK, so this is my second post. Does that make it more legitimate? And I assume I should ignore the first post from each of you veterans?

    I guess you guys showed the irrelevance of the numerous elitist claims on this board that "only power users and rich people would buy a $600 phone". Since you've proved that the phone is basically free, you should certainly expect any number of newbie, novice and non-techie questions.

    I have loaded zLauncher, SnapperMail and DateBook5 into memory, and several other apps into the SD card. I have 9MB left in memory. Every time I try to install Vindigo or HandMark Express, HotSync fails with an insufficient memory error. This happens whether I try to install into memory or directly to the SD card.

    I love the new keyboard, like the new display, am waiting for BlueTooth to settle down, and haven't used the removable battery yet. I hate the amount of time I need to spend managing the device, and the delays in switching apps are intolerable. It is not unusal for me to watch 30 seconds of a blank screen after I push the phone button. TEN dollars is too much to pay for that, let alone $1000.

    I am nowhere near as happy with this device as I was with the 600. Had I been given this device first, I would have probably been satisfied with the memory limitations and then enjoyed the upgrade to a device which could do so much more. Instead, I paid a lot of money and got a few minor improvements and a device which does much less.

    It's totally possible, but highly unlikely, that these problems are all my fault. I continue to advise people against upgrading until I can start using my device, rather than managing it.

    You can say whatever the heck you want on this board, regardless the number of times you have posted. However, when your first-ever post on this forum is a length criticisim, you lose credibility. Same goes for an over-the -top positive review.

    Spend some time here and build your credbility. And, btw, welcome to TC.
  11. #11  
    Bought new phone $599 from sprint. delivered in 2 days.

    Returned old one to store, $599 credit.

    Paid toal: $7.99 for shipping.

    All i need is a new cradle and I'm sure I can find that for under $30 on ebay soon enough.
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    Original Treo 600 Bought Open Box with at Best Buy for $480.00

    Treo 600 Sold On Ebay a year later - $470.00 Net Profit after shipping and paypal and ebay % fees.

    Treo 650 - Paid $599.00
    FREE JABRA BLUETOOTH HEADSET

    Complained to Sprint about my past Fault Treo 600 - $150 Rebate

    Future Free 128 MB SD card bonus.

    The way i see it, im in the black.
    now getting my 650 to work well is another story. i havent gone a day without random resets but i think its either my hacks forming a ballet of dysfunction or my treo is screwed up to begin with.

    So overall i find a better screen, BOOtooth (i dont really dig the static), the nicer camera and battery etc, an SD card and a bluetooth headset + $20 net a good deal overall! ^_^
  13.    #13  
    So clearly my problem is that the 600 elevated my expectations.

    If I wanted to use the 650 out of the box, with a few small add-on applications, maybe Vindigo for one or two cities, and not worry about travel and all the things that adds, I might be as ecstatic with this device as I was with the 600.

    The problem is that the 600 did virtually everything I needed to do, and obviously a lot more than many posters on this board need or want to do. Perhaps I shouldn't have taken it for granted that I would be able to do everything on the 650 that I do on the 600.

    On another thread, someone hypothesizes that the people who are unhappy with the 650 (I forget whether they're red, blue or burnt ochre) are the ones who haven't posted much. Maybe we haven't posted much because we've been pretty happy with our old devices and hadn't become desperate for help when our "upgrade" turned out to feel like a giant leap backward.

    I appreciate all the tips for saving money the next time an opportunity like this arises, although foregoing all the travel accessories is not an option. I suppose I could decide to carry a second device to do all the things that I used to do on the 600, but that would sort of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?

    I still haven't seen anyone post how to get Vindigo to work from the expansion card with 10 cities installed. Asking too much? Not if you're a 600 user.

    I still haven't found any explanation for the lengthy delays when pushing the phone button. I suspect they have to do with using zLauncher, but without it I cannot possibly rely on this device for even my most minimal needs.

    I desperately want Palm to succeed, as the alternative is intolerable for a number of reasons. However the sheer number of dissatisfied users on this board, both novice and experienced, indicates that Palm has some serious work to do to remain competitive for a large number of users. I was disheartened to learn last month that Microsoft has taken the lead in the installed base of PDA Operating Systems for the first time. I seriously hope that the red/blue divide isn't really an indication of enterprise versus personal users, but I suspect that it is, and that doesn't bode well for long term growth of the Palm OS.

    I am delighted that there are many users whose demands on the device are less than mine and that for them this device is as magical for them as the 600 was for me. If I had a choice, I'd ask for my old 600 with the new keyboard and be satisfied.

    There. That's three posts. How'm I doing?
  14. #14  
    Quote Originally Posted by barryrosenbaum
    There. That's three posts. How'm I doing?
    In order to up your posting totals quickly, I recommend:

    "LOL!"

    "ROTFLMAO!"

    "Couldn't have said it better myself."

    "Palm should have known about this before putting out this phone."

    "That's the worst customer service story I've ever heard."

    And my favorite:

    ""

    Sprinkle liberally amongst random threads.

    Clue
  15. #15  
    Quote Originally Posted by Cluemeister
    In order to up your posting totals quickly, I recommend:

    "LOL!"

    "ROTFLMAO!"

    "Couldn't have said it better myself."

    "Palm should have known about this before putting out this phone."

    "That's the worst customer service story I've ever heard."

    And my favorite:

    ""

    Sprinkle liberally amongst random threads.

    Clue
    LOL
    Oh, so they have internet on computers now!
    --Treo 650 unlocked/unbranded with Rogers
  16. #16  
    The same crowd that defends the 650 as the greatest thing since sliced bread, and sings praises of the screen with comments like, "the screen is reason enough to upgrade by itself", are the same that defended the 600 screen as a non-issue. Amusing...
  17. #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by Rome
    You can say whatever the heck you want on this board, regardless the number of times you have posted. However, when your first-ever post on this forum is a length criticisim, you lose credibility. Same goes for an over-the -top positive review.

    Spend some time here and build your credbility. And, btw, welcome to TC.

    Posting is about quality, NOT quantity. It doesnt matter if this is his 1st post or 1000th post; if he has something of relevance to say, who are we not to listen/read.

    It has already been determined that some like the 650, others dont. He has every right to state the reasons HE doesnt like it. Just because anyone feels differently about the device doesnt make his 1st post wrong. He stated what HE felt.
    ~ ScandaLous ~
  18. #18  
    Too bad I've dropped my Treo too many times. Everything still works, but the case is marred in several spots from being dropped once on concrete and on hard floors a few times. Or I would consider the EBay route after my year is up.

    Of course, I still have several accessories I could sell. Extra charging/sync cables. The belt clip isn't sellable anymore since it went through the washer and dryer.
  19. #19  
    Yes, I'm disappointed in the memory issue. But after experimenting with the apps I can move onto the SD card, I am quite content with my storage situation -- without using Zlauncher. There is no comparison, in my opinion, between the 650 and the 600 -- the new screen is awesome, the thumbboard is tremendously improved, and the camera is at least 400% better.

    I sold my Treo 600 and accessories on eBay for $398. I was happy, the buyer was happy, and all is right with the world.
  20. #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by barryrosenbaum
    I don't understand where you folks are buying this $600 Treo 650.
    Because we (mostly) live in America. We have disposable income. We choose to purchase a phone as opposed to hookers or pez.
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