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  1. #981  
    Great work shadowmite and co.! Will the driver work with this card?

    http://sandisk.com/retail/256mb-wifi-sd.asp
  2. #982  
    Quote Originally Posted by morrisonmuscle
    Treo 600, Tungsten E, Zire 71 and zodiac are all Texas Instruments OMAP Processors. The only one that does not have wi-fi yet is the Treo 600. The Treo 600 even has a processor faster than a few of the other models. This is why it makes more sense to modify one of the Sandisk drivers for the Treo 600. The Tungsten E has a (beta) driver only as it has similar SDIO specs to the Treo 600. People who use the Tungsten E with the beta driver and wi-fi have no complaints. The dirver was not released as it would void warranty. the San Disk card should work with the Treo 600 if Shadow did similar modifications to the netlibrary to what he did with the P1 card. Since the P1 and San DIsk cards are both SYchip on the inside, shadow could also approach it as modifying the current 650 driver to recognize the San Disk wi-fi card. Either way it is basically a mix and match of existing drivers to get it to work on the 600. Shadow is capable, whether or not he is willing may be another question? I really hope he is. Other Treo 600 users need to step up and join in the Treo 600 thread to show that it would be valuable to them, i know that it would be valuable to me. My San Disk wi-fi is on its way to me and I am ready to start beta testing. if shadow solves this one it would be a hat trick!
    I'd definitely go for it as T-Mobile is the carrier for my Treo600. WiFi is another $20 a month, but definitely worth it. I hope Shadowmite, Euroclie and anyone else who can help, will bring WiFi to the 600. You guys have done an incredible job. MUCHO KUDOS!!
    Shneor
    Pre 3 on T-Mobile, 32gb Touchpad
  3. #983  
    I Totally Agree. With The Cost Of The T 650 And The Lack Of Real Update, The Vast Majority Of The 600 Owners Will Be Sticking With Their Current Model And Real Would Go For A Card That Worked As A Wi Fi In Their 600
    Drexlermac
  4. #984  
    Quote Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi
    Great work shadowmite and co.! Will the driver work with this card?

    http://sandisk.com/retail/256mb-wifi-sd.asp
    No. It will only work with palmone card.
  5. #985  
    Quote Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi
    Great work shadowmite and co.! Will the driver work with this card?

    http://sandisk.com/retail/256mb-wifi-sd.asp
    Here is shadowmite's reply for a similar question..

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    The card that will work is the Palm one......

    The card that will work is the Palm one... Although it wouldn't be hard to make a Sandisk version... They are reading the model code on the card to verify it... At least, I THINK I could easily make...
  6.    #986  
    Quote Originally Posted by JQPublic
    Yes, it now has BT; which needed to be hacked by our friend Shadowmite in order to fully function as BT was meant to function. But the technology built around some of the competition's "smartphones" are still superior; albeit none of them are perfect. . . does not do true BT natively
    Umm, it didn't really need to be "hacked" as much as unlocked. All the files were basically there, but Sprint had it locked. PalmOne has said it's up the carriers. In other words, P1 provided the functionality, but Sprint took it away. Shadow just brought it back.

    And while we're at it, I'd like to upgrade Shadow's title to "Palm Hacker Extraordinare". I have pretty good faith that his expertise extends beyond the Treo and could apply to other PalmOS devices (if he desired and had the hardware).
  7. #987  
    I don't want to get pff topic here but there was just a mention of disabling BT options on our 650s by P1. what's funny is that they took out the DUN button but left in the information about it in the help portion (when you hit the "i" in the top right at the BT screen. So P1 meant to have a lot of these options (maybe even wifi?) initially but Sprint was against it in my opinion.
  8. #988  
    Great job everyone who was involved! I don't even own a Treo anymore, yet I find this amazing. I submitted this story to slashdot, I suggest you all submit it to every news source you can think of. This is big! Its also sad that Palm left this feature out of the device. I wonder how they could be so heartless towards their customer base.
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  9. #989  
    I submitted it to Slashdot about a week ago, but so far nothing...
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  10. #990  
    So when is TreoCentral going to start selling the PalmOne WiFi cards ?
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    #991  
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleuth255
    It is to the credit of your own developer community that you continue to exist at all.
    VERY WELL SAID! This couldn't be more true.
    I would not own a Treo 650 if i had to live with what came out of the box. It wouldn't be worth the investment.
  12. #992  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE
    P1 made several indefensible choices in their configuration of the 650.

    1. no built in wifi -- or even providing drivers for their own wifi card

    2. using BT 1.1 -- which is inherently less compatible with sharing spectrum -- making wifi/radio juggling much much trickier. (how can they not have used the spectrum friendly 1.2 ?)

    3. adopting a new memory/file system without recognizing the damage it would impose on existing data storage -- and not apropriating the small incremental expense of upping the on board memory.

    I'm not a P1 hater -- (I have written elsewhere in defense of the P1 people I met at the roadshow) -- but stupidity must be recognized before it can be learned from and overcome.
    Not a P1 hater, but calling them stupid? With friends like you, who would need enemies?

    One question for you -- do you know what you are even talking about when it comes to product development, or are you just a gadget collector? Do you know anything about engineering trade-offs and limited resources?

    I am not impressed.
  13. #993  
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy
    Not a P1 hater, but calling them stupid? With friends like you, who would need enemies?

    One question for you -- do you know what you are even talking about when it comes to product development, or are you just a gadget collector? Do you know anything about engineering trade-offs and limited resources?

    I am not impressed.



    I AGREE WE ARE NOT DEVELOPEMENTAL ENGINEERS,BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THE 650 DOESN'T ADD ENOUGH CAPACITY TO WARRENT THE EXPENSE. IT HAS A PRETTY SCREEN AND A NICE KEYBOARD. THAT ISN'T A BAD BEGINNING , BUT JUST A BEGINNING. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH A LOT MORE NEW IDEAS BETTER FINALIZED. ALSO WITHOUT THE SPRINT BIAS OF BEING ABLE TO TURN OFF NEEDED FEATURES. DREXLERMAC
  14. #994  
    Quote Originally Posted by DREXLERMAC
    I AGREE WE ARE NOT DEVELOPEMENTAL ENGINEERS,BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THE 650 DOESN'T ADD ENOUGH CAPACITY TO WARRENT THE EXPENSE. IT HAS A PRETTY SCREEN AND A NICE KEYBOARD. THAT ISN'T A BAD BEGINNING , BUT JUST A BEGINNING. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH A LOT MORE NEW IDEAS BETTER FINALIZED. ALSO WITHOUT THE SPRINT BIAS OF BEING ABLE TO TURN OFF NEEDED FEATURES. DREXLERMAC
    Whoa. We accept your opinion, and I honestly agree with you, but you do not need to shout!
    Current setup: myTouch 4G Slide (main), hp Pre2 and Veer 4G (backups)
  15. #995  
    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy
    Not a P1 hater, but calling them stupid? With friends like you, who would need enemies?

    One question for you -- do you know what you are even talking about when it comes to product development, or are you just a gadget collector? Do you know anything about engineering trade-offs and limited resources?

    I am not impressed.

    This should probably be part of a separate discussion, but I agree with BARYE on the technology points, not necessarily the idea that P1 is stupid. Let's be honest P1 is a corporation (Palmone, Inc), with investors, shareholders and a bottom line. All that to say this: it is obvious from the outstanding job of both Shadowmite and Euroclie that the WiFi drivers can be created. Two people who I believe have other jobs and a hand full of testers made this much progress, with NO source code. P1 obviously has the code, more capital and could dedicate resources to make this happen and had years to get it right. I am not a person who talks of "conspiracy theories", but there is a reason for such obvious omissions from the "new" Treo 650. And given the success of Shadowmite et al, I am not inclined to believe it has to do with "...engineering trade-offs and limited resources". If that is truly the case then I would say the Palm OS is probably the problem. And would speculate that there are probably substantial architectural limitations, which would make a stable all-in-one smartphone impossible or very difficult on this particular platform. Else it would have been done during the dawn of the 600, as promised. Maybe P1 will have to create an OS 6 in order to make it all happen.
  16. #996  
    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland
    I'd disagree with this. The different form factors mean that they are really different things. Plus Palm realizes that someone isn't likely to by a Tungsten and a Treo. The biggest reason why people by Treo's is because of convergence. Having a Treo and Tungsten defeats that convergence advantage in large part.
    I DID!


    There are places that I go that will not accept that the Treo has more than one function. They see camera, or they see phone. I had to go to court recently. No matter how much I pleaded, all they knew was that I was holding a phone and that it was turned off and I needed my PDA.

    It wasnt worth it to me to get locked up for not wanting to check in my phone. Having my T|3 still allowed me to do what I needed to do....minus the phone.
    ~ ScandaLous ~
  17. #997  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    GUYS HOLY FRICKING HECK OF MOTHER BLEH BLEH BLEH! I'M STREAMING SHOUTCAST OVER WIFI!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!1 yOU ALL OWE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 GFPOIHPOGIHR3O[GIRWHOGIRWHGO42IHF42

    oK, INSANITY OVER...
    This right here brought tears to my eyes. My cat thinks somethings wrong. This furball just doesnt understand how excited I just got!
    ~ ScandaLous ~
  18. #998  
    Quote Originally Posted by JQPublic
    This should probably be part of a separate discussion, but I agree with BARYE on the technology points, not necessarily the idea that P1 is stupid. Let's be honest P1 is a corporation (Palmone, Inc), with investors, shareholders and a bottom line. All that to say this: it is obvious from the outstanding job of both Shadowmite and Euroclie that the WiFi drivers can be created. Two people who I believe have other jobs and a hand full of testers made this much progress, with NO source code. P1 obviously has the code, more capital and could dedicate resources to make this happen and had years to get it right. I am not a person who talks of "conspiracy theories", but there is a reason for such obvious omissions from the "new" Treo 650. And given the success of Shadowmite et al, I am not inclined to believe it has to do with "...engineering trade-offs and limited resources". If that is truly the case then I would say the Palm OS is probably the problem. And would speculate that there are probably substantial architectural limitations, which would make a stable all-in-one smartphone impossible or very difficult on this particular platform. Else it would have been done during the dawn of the 600, as promised. Maybe P1 will have to create an OS 6 in order to make it all happen.
    It's got nothing to with engineering tradeoffs, etc. It has to do with Palm's measured upgrade policy. Years ago, the early Palmpilots could have had 4 times the memory they came with. So some creative folks (like some on this forum) took the device apart, and told everyone how to remove the memory chips and solder in new, "bigger" ones. Some entrepreneurs did this for less technically-savvy folks for a price. It was still cheaper than Palm's more-memory version. That's just the way they operate. That's how they were when they were still part of 3com and obviously the culture still has not changed.

    That does not stop me from buying their products - I just don't buy their products often.
    Shneor
    Pre 3 on T-Mobile, 32gb Touchpad
  19. #999  
    Remember when this thread was about Wifi on the Treo 650?
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