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  1.    #1  
    The First step is to get rid of your TREO!!

    I have been a Palm Supporter ever since my first palm(7 years).

    I own the Treo 600, and never have i owned such a devise that has lasted for such a small period of time with such problems!!

    Was hoping to make the Switch to the Treo 650, in anticipation that Palm was going to fix all the issues!!

    i never fealt that 600 should have been released the way it was and now reading about the memory issues for the 650, it's just sounds pitiful!! and to note that an upgrade to this model would just be for the sake of a better screen and Bluetooth!! With all it's techonolgy and COMPETITION in today's world.... IS THIS THE BEST THAT PALM CAN DO?

    I hope a fix is made and no other issues for the new owners of the 650!!

    I am taking a major leap to the pocket pc plateform.....i guess i can safetly safe that Palm has motivated and pushed me over to the other side!!

    Good luck to all the new owners and off course would love to hear any of your comments on the above matter!!

    CHEERS!!
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    Good riddance.

    I would guess I'm not too far off in assuming you have never been in the presence of a 650, because if you had... it would be abundantly clear to you that there are more than just 'screen' and 'bluetooth' enhancements.

    Without question, the Treo 650 is still the best smartphone on the market... and your 6601 will tell you the same thing in a couple of weeks.

    Spew your PPC love somewhere else: http://discussion.PPCloversarefools.com
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
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    Not everyone needs 128MB of RAM or Wi-Fi.

    Having said that:

    Quote Originally Posted by rayizaac
    and to note that an upgrade to this model would just be for the sake of a better screen and Bluetooth!! With all it's techonolgy and COMPETITION in today's world.... IS THIS THE BEST THAT PALM CAN DO?
    Palm's Bluetooth emplementation is highly disappointing.
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    And good luck to you as well. I tried PocketPC once. And yes, it did really bluescreen on me. Frequently. I so wish I had a digital camera at the time to photo that as it would've been hilarious after I got over the frustration of it all, but, oops, the only camera I had available was, alas, a PocketPC attachment.

    Both went back to the store that evening.

    As for memory issues: Do you use a hard drive on your computer? The allocations are blocked the same way. It's no stretch that to get the benefit of non volatile storage, a block allocation mechanism had to be introduced. Considering the amounts we're talking about are trivial, and that a high speed 1GB SD card that I can pick up at a dozen stores nearby will quickly put an end to *my* concerns over memory, it's no big deal to me. Certainly not a deal breaker.

    Is this the best Palm can do? Probably not. But, I don't see the 650 as an "upgrade" to 600 users. Rather, I see it as something to attract people who saw the 600 and didn't buy it because the resolution wasn't right for them, or they were holding out for bluetooth. Now, it has it, and people like me are buying it.
  5.    #5  
    Thank you!!

    I agree, the Treo is the best smartphone in the market, when it's smart enough to actually WORK!!

    Can you please tell me what other enhancements there are, besides keyboard, screen and bluetooth???
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayizaac
    The First step is to get rid of your TREO!!
    I am taking a major leap to the pocket pc plateform.....i guess i can safetly safe that Palm has motivated and pushed me over to the other side!!
    I find this very funny as I am in the process of returning a PPC6601 and getting a Treo 650. I gave the 6601 a chance but it is just too large, too cumbersome to use, too complicated and has just too many weird idiosynchrisies (like not using standard 2.5 headphone sets). I would rather have the smaller, easier to use Treo that does what I want it to, when I want it to rather than walk around with a computer in my pocket that doesn't meet my needs.
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    by the way.....i'm NOT getting the 6601.... and YES i difinately prefer the palm operating system to pocket pc.... but when practicality sets in, the rate of exchanges and failures of the devise outways any advantages it may have!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayizaac
    Can you please tell me what other enhancements there are, besides keyboard, screen and bluetooth???
    Hi-Res Screen, new Keyboard, non-volatile memory, Bluetooth, removeable battery, new OS, upgraded Browser, upgraded VGA camera, added camcorder functionality, new dedicated Send/End buttons, new programmable button, revamped SD slot, faster processor....

    .... get the point yet?
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayizaac
    by the way.....i'm NOT getting the 6601.... and YES i difinately prefer the palm operating system to pocket pc.... but when practicality sets in, the rate of exchanges and failures of the devise outways any advantages it may have!!
    The reasons you are stating here have been addressed. P1 used a new company to produce the 650's... and while I cannot guarantee they will be better - they certainly have done something about that problem.

    Time will tell... but I would bet they are MUCH more reliable...the new company has a great reputation.
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
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    Thanks for the update Treodejaneiro.... i didn't know, or should i say i did, cause it's no big deal for me to pay much attention as far as the new enhancements are concern!! to me the major changes are Screen & Bluetooth!!
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    As for "practicality," I've lalways found that Palm OS is as practical as you can get. they mix capabilities just right. The PocketPC has always been about bloat, and has always been cumbersome. You just can't take Windows and cram it into a small screen!
  12.    #12  
    100% right, but i guess there is always some sort of compromise....
  13. #13  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    Hi-Res Screen, new Keyboard, non-volatile memory, Bluetooth, removeable battery, new OS, upgraded Browser, upgraded VGA camera, added camcorder functionality, new dedicated Send/End buttons, new programmable button, revamped SD slot, faster processor....

    .... get the point yet?
    You forgot upgraded email
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    Good riddance.

    I would guess I'm not too far off in assuming you have never been in the presence of a 650, because if you had... it would be abundantly clear to you that there are more than just 'screen' and 'bluetooth' enhancements.

    Without question, the Treo 650 is still the best smartphone on the market... and your 6601 will tell you the same thing in a couple of weeks.

    Spew your PPC love somewhere else: http://discussion.PPCloversarefools.com
    Hey, that's not a real web page It sounded promising too
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    If I read one more comment about getting a SD card....

    I though everyone here knew how to exploit memory cards by putting programs directly on them, using PowerRUN (or similar launching code), and PIDirect/MSMount. Even after doing this, there are programs which must reside in RAM (or Flash, if available).

    Releasing a device which essentially has the SAME memory as its predecessor isn't wise but releasing one that has essentially LESS memory is ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by scaredpoet
    But, I don't see the 650 as an "upgrade" to 600 users. Rather, I see it as something to attract people who saw the 600 and didn't buy it because the resolution wasn't right for them, or they were holding out for bluetooth. Now, it has it, and people like me are buying it.
    Now this is a worthwhile comment, IMO. If P1 had stated it, it would have been better. If they had, 600 users would have not gotten our hopes up and would have saved up for the next offering. P1 should release multiple products as they have in the past -- cheap low memory models and higher priced high memory models.
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    You know I am a huge Treo fan, and really found myself looking forward to the 650. So much, that I sold my 600 before the 650 was announced so I could get full resell value and upgrade the first chance given. But when they confirmed it would only have 22 mb available (SD card helps but only with programs does not REQUIRE to be loaded into memory) and no Wifi support, though with still hope that the 650 would pull through some miracle before its release, I started looking for other options.

    I did finally decide on the 6601. After a week on the road with this phone, I have posted my review of it here:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=62661

    I am not posting this to be flamed as a traitor to Palm or the simple "Good For You" and "Good Riddance" posts. I have taken a very logical process to my decision based on performance, value per dollar, capibilities, and ease of use (just click on my name see posts started by me to see what I am talking about). I am not promoting one over the other, as both phones can be very much geared to one person and not the other (a fact that many die hards on both side seem to fail to recognize). I have been very honest in my search and evaluation on this forum, simply in an effort to help those who want it without a unwavering biased loyalty to an OS or brand. I still have quite awhile to evaluate the phone with the option to return it, but as it looks now, I probably will be keeping it until at least the 700 shows it's leadership abilities in the PDA world.

    At the end of the day I am very happy I got the 6601. I tend to upgrade my phone every 12 to 18 months, so when the Treo 700 comes out, I will be looking at that to see if it has stepped up to the plate to regain the lead as the 600 did during it's release.....or if the next generation following the 6600 will stay a step ahead of the trend that the Treo started.
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    Hey, that's not a real web page It sounded promising too
    I must admit that I clicked the link too!

    Kinda like that www.danrathermustgo.com or some other sites that get us all riled up about something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayizaac
    The First step is to get rid of your TREO!!

    I have been a Palm Supporter ever since my first palm(7 years).

    I own the Treo 600, and never have i owned such a devise that has lasted for such a small period of time with such problems!!

    Was hoping to make the Switch to the Treo 650, in anticipation that Palm was going to fix all the issues!!

    i never fealt that 600 should have been released the way it was and now reading about the memory issues for the 650, it's just sounds pitiful!! and to note that an upgrade to this model would just be for the sake of a better screen and Bluetooth!! With all it's techonolgy and COMPETITION in today's world.... IS THIS THE BEST THAT PALM CAN DO?

    I hope a fix is made and no other issues for the new owners of the 650!!

    I am taking a major leap to the pocket pc plateform.....i guess i can safetly safe that Palm has motivated and pushed me over to the other side!!

    Good luck to all the new owners and off course would love to hear any of your comments on the above matter!!

    CHEERS!!
    The only memory issue is that there is not enough. The way people are posting makes it look like there's some horrible defect in the memory. The memory system is working as designed in the Treo 650. Yes, the minimum memory allocation size is 512 bytes which results in inefficient storage as compared to the T600, but this is a result of the new non-volitile memory design and likely set this way due to performance considerations. On the flip side, execution of applications off the SD card should be seamless with the new memory design once applications are designed to take advantage this. If I can utilize 1 GB of external memory in a seamless manner with the new design, I think I will prefer this as compared to the old design. I'll know very soon, as my Treo 650 should be delivered at any moment!

    By the way, can anyone tell me of a better device on the market? Don't even start with that PocketPC crap. I have one and it sucks! I can't even rely on the stupid alarm clock. The Treo 650 is hands down the best combination of phone and pda on the market and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

    Nathan
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    How about a serious post from me for a change.
    I have to agree that Palm is having problems. But I don't think it is with their hardware. I think they have lost direction.
    The reason I first baught a Palm had everything to do with the fact that it was a standard platform and the first generation was compatible with the most recent with respect to the data.
    I think Palm has lost touch and is assuming that all of their users are after PPC features.
    I think Palm could get back on top simply by changing their tactics.
    Put less money and time into a whole new line of devices every 18 mo. or less. And more time into getting Palms into the hands of new users.
    I would love to see a $20 2MB Zire with monochrome screen. They could give them away to middle school kids and college students alike. Developers could give away the devices with their software.
    Microsoft could never produce a $20 PPC. The business and education could be full of Palms very quickly.
    THEN Palm could really start plugging the bigger and faster models with more bells and whistles.
    Sometimes I think Palm visualizes their market as Yuppies, but they would be far more successful if they focused on students, Seniors, and soccer moms.
    I am still on the 600 and see no practical reason for swiching - WiFi, bluetooth, high res, and phaser features included
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    Everyone knows the only reason you need blootooth is so that you could do "toothing" you freaking perverts!!!!
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