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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    But mine is a righteous rabidness! (FATM) {Frothing at the Mouth!}
    Oh.

    I thought it was some sorta mantra.
  2.    #22  
    I am beginning to wonder if there is an average Joe Treo user. If you are capable of operating the thing at all, you are going to want to add apps, quickly using up the onboard memory; otherwise, a non-PDA phone with contact list would suffice. (My daughter's Sanyo 5400, for example, has a contact list, Vision access to the web, etc.) I think P1 SERIOUSLY misjudged this issue.
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    Would you buy a PC with 128M of RAM on the promise that you could buy a 100Gig hard drive and use it for virtual memory? I don't think so.....
    Of course I would buy a PC with 128MB of RAM.....that's because I can upgrade later if I decide that I need more RAM. Not to mention that it was not that long ago, 128MB was considered more than enought memory. The problem has always been the Microsoft Windows OS. What Intel gives, Microsoft takes.

    The new Blackberry 7290 comes with 32 MB of flash memory with no expansion capability. Guess what, most of their customers don't care.

    Of course, I would like to 256mb of ram on my treo 650, but am I willing to give up more $$$ and shorter battery life to get this feature? I am not sure, and I guess that the mainstream users wouldn't care.
  4. #24  
    Memory is so cheap that P1 could have probably doubled the memory for a few dollars. What is a couple of bux when you the msrp is 599?
  5. #25  
    Okay, my precious is here!! Wow! It's charging now but boy if this came with 16 megs I think I would keep it!! It's just gorgous.

    I'll report later on how I do with memory.
  6.    #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by Rome
    ....I guess that the mainstream users wouldn't care.

    That is the stance P1 took, apparently. Again, who ARE the mainstream users? They HAVE to be at least moderately computer-savvy to operate the device, don't they? Joe-Sixpack is NOT going to spend $500 or $600 on a phone like this, but Joe-Geeks like us will. I submit that WE are the target audience, and P1 missed the mark.
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  7. #27  
    Well then you vote with your dollars, Dalai Lama. As will I. And Brown has MY 650 on a delivery truck as I write this.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    I am beginning to wonder if there is an average Joe Treo user. If you are capable of operating the thing at all, you are going to want to add apps, quickly using up the onboard memory; otherwise, a non-PDA phone with contact list would suffice. (My daughter's Sanyo 5400, for example, has a contact list, Vision access to the web, etc.) I think P1 SERIOUSLY misjudged this issue.
    Reports here suggest that most business users have many MB's free on their Treo 600's. They are usually about acquaintances of board members, but many members also report that.

    But I agree that this is a blunder of sorts. A highly positioned person at P1 even told me "we think it's enough for most users, but I wish we had made it 64 megs".
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    That is the stance P1 took, apparently. Again, who ARE the mainstream users? They HAVE to be at least moderately computer-savvy to operate the device, don't they? Joe-Sixpack is NOT going to spend $500 or $600 on a phone like this, but Joe-Geeks like us will. I submit that WE are the target audience, and P1 missed the mark.

    Dead on!!

    I am not what the everyone here refers to as a power user. ie.. tons of hacks and programs pushing my hardware to the bleeding edge.

    I use ereader and a PIM and the new memory issues have made this device unusable!
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    That is the stance P1 took, apparently. Again, who ARE the mainstream users? They HAVE to be at least moderately computer-savvy to operate the device, don't they? Joe-Sixpack is NOT going to spend $500 or $600 on a phone like this, but Joe-Geeks like us will. I submit that WE are the target audience, and P1 missed the mark.
    P1 has made it very clear that they are going after the Blackberry market. Whether we like it or not, the treonauts are NOT the target market.

    Don't take me wrong, I would love to have at least 64mb of RAM, but this is not a deal killer for me. High res screen, bluetooth, removable battery, better software bundle, better quality, more software, and much improved keyboard are what's important to me.
  11. #31  
    I was pretty concerned about the memory issue myself, until I copied a number of applications to memory card. So far, every one works without issue. I'm wondering if I'll run into an issue with how many apps I'm running (not really sure how the Palm OS manages memory), if running apps take up available space. But, if that doesn't turn out to be an issue, I'll not fret about it.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    Dead on!!

    I am not what the everyone here refers to as a power user. ie.. tons of hacks and programs pushing my hardware to the bleeding edge.

    I use ereader and a PIM and the new memory issues have made this device unusable!
    sxtg:

    Can you please elaborate on your usage and how the device became unusable? I'd be very interested to hear specifics.
  13. #33  
    I am with the Dalai Lama on this one. It is totally unacceptable and just flat out
    boggles the mind.

    I have a T3, with 52 Mb. of usable space. I have only about 10 Mb. free. I store all MP3's and some eBooks on an SD card. I don't need the SD card to run my everyday apps. With only 32 Mb., P1 is asking you to buy an SD memory card to make up for the difference in their poor planning/design. It is not a huge deal unless they get the WiFi card working and then you have to manage multiple SD cards.

    I have ordered the demo with Vienna and will see how that goes. It is just upsetting that with this one decision on the part of P1, they took an absolutely great device and made it a great device with a major flaw. How frustrating...

    A good analogy I thought of is this:
    Ford comes out with this awesome new truck with many cool new features but the bed is only 3 ft. long. Their answer to the criticism is: "most people really only need a 3 ft. bed and for those that need more, we included a trailer hitch."
  14.    #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoBeard
    A good analogy I thought of is this:
    Ford comes out with this awesome new truck with many cool new features but the bed is only 3 ft. long. Their answer to the criticism is: "most people really only need a 3 ft. bed and for those that need more, we included a trailer hitch."
    Or you take Viagra and it only adds a centimeter....

    I think we need some sort of letter/email campaign. To whom would you direct the barrage?
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  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland
    Actually, if given the choice to take this new memory system and wifi or go back to the old memory which took up less space, I'd take the new and wifi. But that's just me.

    I wouldn't say most users wouldn't be affected. Email takes up a lot of space in general if you don't delete it over time. I'm guessing the business users don't do that so much. It could add up quite a bit.
    Wifi? You got wi-fi with that crappy, new, way too little memory? Doubt it.
  16. #36  
    Perhaps when apps are updated to work with newer palms they will work more seemlessly with the SD cards. The hit can be minimized by using a fast SD card, if the SD performance problem has been solved.

    I would like to see speed tests done with high speed SD cards on the 650 vs 600.
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    I am hearing enough about the new memory to quash even minor thoughts of upgrading. Apparently, memory use is much less efficient than on the Treo 600, and coupled with the relatively small amount of memory to begin with, fewer apps can be loaded, with less associated data.

    My friends, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!

    I, for one, will NOT upgrade for this reason. Are you listening, PalmOne? I seriously think a recall is in order. Once again, they have not quite hit the mark. Someone explained that with the new memory configuration, they couldn't just double the amount, but would have had to quadruple (or octuple?) the memory. Well, why didn't they just do it? They now have a machine that is hobbled in its capabilities. And please do not tell me that putting apps on the SD card makes up for this. We all know it doesn't.

    Count me as disappointed in PalmOne. I will NOT upgrade unless and until the 650 is reissued with an ADEQUATE amount of memory. Do I have to go over to the Dark Side, ie, PPC? Heaven help us!

    Completely rediculous.

    To save what, $3?

    I am always maxed out on RAM....and I am hardly a power user.

    Based on what I have read, I need to basically give up some apps and data.

    I thought the BT 1.1 was a total eff-up, but this is close second.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama
    Damn, using SD is a poor substitute for the machine having adequate memory in the first place. Yes, you can install apps to the SD and run them from the SD, but it adds another layer of complexity that should not be necessary. Would you buy a PC with 128M of RAM on the promise that you could buy a 100Gig hard drive and use it for virtual memory? I don't think so.....
    Nuff Said.
  19.    #39  
    SD cards do provide a wonderful addition to the memory, don't get me wrong... I don't know about anyone else, but I am having continued problems of the card unmounting itself, a known issue. The app CardKeeper did fix this, but I had to remove it due to a markedly increased number of crashes while it was on board. Does the 650 at least do better on the mounting/unmounting issue?
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  20.    #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    Nuff Said.

    YEP you would buy such a computer, or YEP you agree that you wouldn't...
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