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    Everybody here has spent tons of time speculating about when the 650 will be shipped. P1 and Sprint must know why they have not already shipped. Why don't they just come on here and tell us the truth? Why all the games? If there is a marketing reason or they are still waiting for the 650's to arrive or any of another million reasons - just tell us!
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    Count to 10... breath..... breath.....
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    I totally agree...just tell us what's up. I'd be infinately more patient (and waste a whole lot less time) if they just said, "this is where we're at in the manufacturing, this is when we'll have it and this is when we'll ship it and it will be on your doorstep on XX day". Even if they had glitches, just tell people...it's OK, life happens and things don't go as expected, just talk about it. Sure I'd be disappointed if they ran into a glitch, but the honest, direct approach seems best to me. Their approach right now is just pissing me off, and making me doubt if I even want to be involved with this company. This will be my first Treo...or not, if they don't either get it out soon or tell us what's up. But I suppose honesty by those "in charge" is a fading value.
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    If they tell you when they have to tell you why eventually.

    They probably don't want to tell you why.

    We can guess though!

    (1) A huge shipment from HTC was stolen en-route and sent to Singapore where it's being sold as we type (based on a set of posts right here).

    (2) The defect rate was even too high for PalmOne to tolerate so they sent them back (yeah, yeah, I know - totally unbelievable).

    (3) They decided the software patch that they were working on was important enough to get installed BEFORE general shipping because their contracts with the two carriers they have now have HARD "epidemic failure" clauses that they for sure don't want to trigger right up front (based on their latest financial filing).

    (4) HTC ran out of little pieces of foam rubber.

    Take a pick!
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    Seldom:

    You forgot #5:

    (5) Sprint hasn't told the ex-pizza delivery people they hire as "salesmen" in their stores that the Treo 650 exists yet, so they've barred delviery by PalmOne to anyone until they hand deliver the memos from Kansas (unfortunately they ran out of crayons and Big Chief tablets to write the memos).
    Remember, the "P" in PDA stands for personal.
    If it works for you, it is "P"erfect.
  6. #6  
    You know, just because one guy from P1 on some chat said that 11-12 was the day doesn't mean that was set in stone. Since when does any company ever ship their product on time - assuming that 11-12 was even supposed to be "on-time"?
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    Gezzz.....I suppose most of you here already have a Treo 600...Lay back ...relax...and enjoy having it until that 650 arrives. Those of you that don't any treo......lay back....relax and enjoy whatever you have. It will arrive when it arrives.....you will get it when they deliver it...........when they deliver it .....you will have it.....It's saturday......go and enjoy it!!!!!

    WHEW!!!!!

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    'You can't handle the truth!'

    'You're goddamn right I ordered the Code Red. Those 650's needed to be taught a lesson!'
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    What I don't understand is the pre-order. Why not just tell us it's available and start shipping. They're either trying to manufacture only as many as will actually be purchased, or trying to keep us from really looking at what else is available between now and Thanksgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    'You can't handle the truth!'

    'You're goddamn right I ordered the Code Red. Those 650's needed to be taught a lesson!'
    Jack, is that you?
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    Jeez, you folks need to lay of the caffeine. You make it sound like it's a matter of life or death that you get this gadget in your hands before you have a nervous breakdown.

    It ain't a cure for cancer, it's a phone.

    So you have one on order; Have you paid for it yet? If you haven't, then put a lid on it. If you have, federal law (U.C.C.) requires that the item must ship within 30 days of the charge for mail-ordered product. It has only been 1 day since the PROJECTED ship date and you are already coming unglued.

    So your business depends on the use of this device? Get a grip, you are a little full of yourself aren't you? Being one of this biggest gadget freaks I know, I have learned that it rarely makes a lick of difference being first (usless you are ego driven and want someone to admire your new doo-dad).

    So your new phone won't have wi-fi/bluetooth/EPS-telekenitic powers? Take your business elsewhere. Here's an idea, maybe including these features isn't profitable yet. They, P1, is afterall, in the business to make money. Or maybe they simply haven't perfected the technology to make everything work together, I could care less if someone else has it on their phone, do they own/produce product for P1? Again, you have the choice to take your business elsewhere. But they PROMISED..... oh, please........

    What about our being loyal customers? You buy a phone and you think you are owed something? Granted, the T600 has had it's share (a big share at that) of problems but either you get it corrected or get your money back. PERIOD. It's one or the other. Move on with your life. Proving marketing claims is truly a "slippery slope". Unless you are a stock holder in P1 you are entitled to nothing in the way of disclosure for shipping delays.

    One other thing, while I realize the First Ammendment gives you the right to voice your opinion, it also gives me the right to ridicule you for acting like a spoiled child waiting for Christmas, or Hanukka or Quansa (sp?) or whatever..... presents, that you don't deserve (Yet) ;-)

    Pax,
    (for those that don't speak Latin - that's Peace)

    Will

    P.S. This is in NO WAY designed to be a pesonal attack, it is intended to get you to lighten up, I truely enjoy your posts but you are taking the WAY too seriously ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dstrauss
    You forgot #5...
    Yikes!

    You're right! I did forget that one!

    Okay, that's IT!

    Free-for-all time! Why DON'T they just come here and tell us the truth!?
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    This is a reply to InfiniteWill's post from a friendly attorney (which is not, despite what some might say, an oxymoron):

    The U.C.C. isn't federal law. In fact, it technically isn't any kind of law. "U.C.C." stands for Uniform Commercial Code, which is a model law drafted by a group of legal scholars, attorneys, and other similar folk on behalf of the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws and later approved by the American Law Institute, another group of scholars, lawyers, etc. Neither of these groups is a governmental entity, so the U.C.C. itself isn't actually a law.

    But the whole point of these groups is that it's a really good idea for some laws to be as uniform as possible throughout all the states. It would really suck for the basic laws governing contracts for the sale of goods (to cite one example of an area of law covered by the U.C.C.) to be totally different in Georgia than in neighboring Alabama. Makes it hard to do business across state lines.

    So the U.C.C. technically is nothing more than a suggestion to the various state legislatures of a set of laws the states should enact so that their commercial law will look like everybody else's.

    But it's a really influential suggestion--essentially every state in the U.S. (except maybe Louisiana--I'd have to check that) has adopted the U.C.C. as its commercial law, usually with very few deviations from the model text.

    So the U.C.C. is state law, not federal law (and of course, as I said earlier, it's not really the U.C.C. that is law, but the adoption of it by each individual state). And as far as I know (WARNING: I am NOT a U.C.C. expert--this next phrase COULD be wrong), the U.C.C. does not include a provision requiring that paid mail order items be shipped within 30 days.

    I'm not saying that there isn't federal law that provides this: there could be a FTC (Federal Trade Commission) regulation that requires it, or there could be some sort of consumer protection law that does--wait, I just Googled it and found this on the FTC's website:

    What is the Mail or Telephone Order Rule?
    The Rule requires that when you advertise merchandise, you must have a reasonable basis for stating or implying that you can ship within a certain time. If you make no shipment statement, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days. That is why direct marketers sometimes call this the "30-day Rule."

    If, after taking the customerís order, you learn that you cannot ship within the time you stated or within 30 days, you must seek the customerís consent to the delayed shipment. If you cannot obtain the customerís consent to the delay -- either because it is not a situation in which you are permitted to treat the customerís silence as consent and the customer has not expressly consented to the delay, or because the customer has expressly refused to consent -- you must, without being asked, promptly refund all the money the customer paid you for the unshipped merchandise.


    So in fact, there does seem to be an FTC regulation on the subject, but from a quick read that reg doesn't seem to require that paid goods ship within 30 days (looks like it can be longer if you say it will be, for instance).

    Just a long-winded way of saying (no offense, InfiniteWill), beware of anonymous legal advice.

    Even mine.
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    Thanks for the correction! I couldn't remember where I got the info from ;-) However, my advice came from the our D.A. in KC,MO

    Regards,

    Will
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteWill
    Jeez, you folks need to lay of the caffeine. You make it sound like it's a matter of life or death that you get this gadget in your hands before you have a nervous breakdown.

    It ain't a cure for cancer, it's a phone.

    So you have one on order; Have you paid for it yet? If you haven't, then put a lid on it. If you have, federal law (U.C.C.) requires that the item must ship within 30 days of the charge for mail-ordered product. It has only been 1 day since the PROJECTED ship date and you are already coming unglued.

    So your business depends on the use of this device? Get a grip, you are a little full of yourself aren't you? Being one of this biggest gadget freaks I know, I have learned that it rarely makes a lick of difference being first (usless you are ego driven and want someone to admire your new doo-dad).

    So your new phone won't have wi-fi/bluetooth/EPS-telekenitic powers? Take your business elsewhere. Here's an idea, maybe including these features isn't profitable yet. They, P1, is afterall, in the business to make money. Or maybe they simply haven't perfected the technology to make everything work together, I could care less if someone else has it on their phone, do they own/produce product for P1? Again, you have the choice to take your business elsewhere. But they PROMISED..... oh, please........

    What about our being loyal customers? You buy a phone and you think you are owed something? Granted, the T600 has had it's share (a big share at that) of problems but either you get it corrected or get your money back. PERIOD. It's one or the other. Move on with your life. Proving marketing claims is truly a "slippery slope". Unless you are a stock holder in P1 you are entitled to nothing in the way of disclosure for shipping delays.

    One other thing, while I realize the First Ammendment gives you the right to voice your opinion, it also gives me the right to ridicule you for acting like a spoiled child waiting for Christmas, or Hanukka or Quansa (sp?) or whatever..... presents, that you don't deserve (Yet) ;-)

    Pax,
    (for those that don't speak Latin - that's Peace)

    Will

    P.S. This is in NO WAY designed to be a pesonal attack, it is intended to get you to lighten up, I truely enjoy your posts but you are taking the WAY too seriously ;-)
    Will, shouldn't you be at the office right now, releasing the 650's for shipment??
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    InfiniteWill,

    Did a District Attorney in Kansas City (MO or KS?) seriously tell you that?

    That would surprise me for two reasons. First, in a large community/city, district attorneys generally deal only with criminal law. (In smaller places they're often called county attorneys and deal with both criminal and civil matters.) There would be very few district attorneys with any kind of background in commercial law, and they wouldn't have gotten it from being a district attorney; they would have had to have gotten the experience/knowledge from some previous job or research project.

    Which leads me to my second point: large places such as KC can usually get pretty good attorneys as district attorneys--not generally the very best, because of lower governmental pay, but usually attorneys who are anywhere from pretty good to extremely good. And any lawyer who is even pretty good should know better than to give legal advice on a subject he or she isn't well-versed in.

    Non-lawyers sometimes don't appreciate the enormous, almost inexhaustible amount of law there is. Every lawyer on Earth is ignorant of more law than he or she knows. I've been a lawyer for 12 years and I know little or nothing about wills, trusts, real estate, criminal procedure, DUI cases, and divorce, to name just a few of the subjects that people often ask lawyers about at cocktail parties. When I confess that I don't know much about one of these topics, I have been asked sarcastically (as I know many other attorneys have), "I thought you were a lawyer." Well, yeah, I am, and a pretty good one, which is why I don't give advice about stuff I don't know much about--or at least, not without strongly warning that I don't know much about it (see, for example, my earlier post).

    I guess I wrote all this just to emphasize what I said in my earlier post: when it comes to legal advice (as someone once said in a different legal context), let's be careful out there. Free advice is usually (not always) worth what you pay for it.

    P.S. For all those a couple decades younger than me, "let's be careful out there" is a reference to the excellent old TV show "Hill Street Blues." If you come across it in reruns, I highly recommend it.
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    Looks like they may be shipping week of Thanksgiving.

    https://www.inphonic.com/sonepager.a...8&phoneid=6903
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    Looks like they may be shipping week of Thanksgiving.

    https://www.inphonic.com/sonepager....68&phoneid=6903
    Well that would've sucked for me. 11/22 shipping means I would be gone for Thanksgiving until that Sunday, and a $599 device would be sitting out in my doorstep for maybe a day until someone happened by and noticed the package just sitting there, and decided to uhm, "remedy" that situation.

    But that's all right, I'm done. Sprint has released the BlackBerry:

    http://www.sprint.com/business/produ...lPcsPhones.jsp

    Yeah, it's no Palm and doesn't have bluetooth among other features, but all I really want is basic PDA functions and push e-mail. This will do the trick and is $50 cheaper. And it's out NOW. So, it's mine.

    I have nothing against Palm at all. It just comes down to what will give me what I need first, and this is it.

    In fact, you guys seem to have more of a grudge, complaining about buggyness and lack of reliability, and yet you all are still waiting... why?! Just cancel and get something else if it tasks you so badly, a PocketPC device or a RIM handhled or something. And if enough people do that, Palm1 will be tuaght a hard lesson not to yank peopl's chains like this.
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    You're buying the brick? Actually it's more like a griddle. Oh well -- enjoy!
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    Yup! Better than vaporware.
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