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    When people start getting the 650 there is a (small) probability that the 650 will be full of bugs, crashes, etc.

    Then what is the strategy? Wait for hardware fixes? (In other words are there scenarios where one could get stuck with Revision A which let's say sucks and then Revision B comes out and its another $ 599 to upgrade?)

    Wait for software fixes? Wait? Live with them? Any thoughts?
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    Why do you think the probability is small when folks like Walt Mossberg and TreoCentral (*) went out of their way to mention the crashes? And didn't someone here say that one of the demos at one of the roadshows also broke? And wasn't there a post by a developer of some type of backup (?) software saying the T5 and TREO 650 were totally broken w.r.t. this?

    And weren't there at least a few comments about PalmOne ALREADY having a patch in the works for other known problems?

    And doesn't PalmOne go out of their way to explicitly warn that new products are essentially guaranteed to be bug-filled?

    The question above is real.

    Why do you think the probability is small?

    Somewhere I made the statement: "Ya wanna be an early adopter? Fine, live with what you're adopting early!".

    So, yes, live with it.

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    (*) Somewhere around here TreoCentral commented on TREO 650 errors but didn't go much deeper than that. THey were supposed to do a more in-depth review of the TREO 650 but I don't remember seeing that show up. Maybe the author has too much other on his (school) schedule o cover the most important topic this web site is about. The cynic in me says the TREO 650 crash repeatedly and so the review was axed by the site owner because of fear of advertiser retaliation.

    Anyone see that thorough explanation out of PalmOne yet about TREO 600 failures?
    Last edited by SeldomVisitor; 11/12/2004 at 04:59 AM.
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    At the risk of being flamed......

    Weren't the Treo 600 users the early adopters?

    Im waiting impatiently for mine.
    Rees
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReesR
    Weren't the Treo 600 users the early adopters?
    With the (apparent) exception of some relatively-recent TREO 300 buyers, ALL TREO buyers have been "early adopters" (as used above about accepting buggy devices).
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    Yes, I think we all are expecting a certain level of bugs. This is true for any PDA phone too, not just the 650. Only the newest of newbies will be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeldomVisitor
    "Ya wanna be an early adopter? Fine, live with what you're adopting early!".
    You can't really argue with that statement. The 650 is an entirely new device given the flash memory AND cell phone. You should expect similar problems which have yet to be fixed on the T5 and possibly others related to the phone. Hopefully I am wrong (since I'll be an early adopter), but such is life with generation 1 products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgauss
    When people start getting the 650 there is a (small) probability that the 650 will be full of bugs, crashes, etc.

    Then what is the strategy? Wait for hardware fixes? (In other words are there scenarios where one could get stuck with Revision A which let's say sucks and then Revision B comes out and its another $ 599 to upgrade?)

    Wait for software fixes? Wait? Live with them? Any thoughts?
    ]
    Same as the Treo600, it's minor if any, live with it. It;s the price you pay to have the latest and greatest. I stil have my original Treo600, HardwareB bought in 10/15/04 and the third firmware upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgauss
    When people start getting the 650 there is a (small) probability that the 650 will be full of bugs, crashes, etc.

    Then what is the strategy? Wait for hardware fixes? (In other words are there scenarios where one could get stuck with Revision A which let's say sucks and then Revision B comes out and its another $ 599 to upgrade?)

    Wait for software fixes? Wait? Live with them? Any thoughts?
    You call the exterminator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shleeman
    You call the exterminator.
    For the Treo, or this thread?

    Even Seldom is showing a rare case of lucid insight:

    "Ya wanna be an early adopter? Fine, live with what you're adopting early!".

    So, yes, live with it.


    People just never ceae to amaze. The phone has not yet shipped, and we're worrying about WHAT to do IF its full of bugs. No doubt it will have bugs; there's NO modern computing/telecomm device that doesn't. Mine is a Rev. B dated 11/28/03, nearly a year old baby. Almost every "problem" has been a software conflict. So what? Get over it
    Remember, the "P" in PDA stands for personal.
    If it works for you, it is "P"erfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgauss
    When people start getting the 650 there is a (small) probability that the 650 will be full of bugs, crashes, etc.

    Then what is the strategy? Wait for hardware fixes? (In other words are there scenarios where one could get stuck with Revision A which let's say sucks and then Revision B comes out and its another $ 599 to upgrade?)

    Wait for software fixes? Wait? Live with them? Any thoughts?
    Despite P1 claims, the 650 will be ripe with problems, just like the 600.

    Just wait and see....
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    Bugs are a fact of life... 4 firmware upgrades, 10 patches and 7 TC forum work-arounds later, we'll have a great device.

    You would be foolish to think the PDA 2K, or any other NEW smartphone is going to be any better.

    All that said... gimmie my 650!!!!!!!!!
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    Bugs are a fact of life... 4 firmware upgrades, 10 patches and 7 TC forum work-arounds later, we'll have a great device.
    Yeah, then once it's finally stable, the Treo 700 comes out and they get ya for another $600.
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    One of the 650s at the Dallas roadshow kept reseting itself every time you went to a different application. Dutchtrumpet and I were like "what's up?". The guy just kept saying that it was a preproduction model and he was not sure. Kind of scared me though. All the other 650s worked great.

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    Ehh.... bring on the bugs! That only means I'll have my 4th new Treo 650 by this time next year!

    Just kidding... I'd like it to be flawless from day one.... Everyone can dream right?
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    For what it's worth, I've been an "early adopter" of Microsoft OSes now for about 20 years. Actually the original DOS and XP have been pretty stable for me.

    The point being that the technology is still maturing. It probably will be for at least another 4 to 5 years. If you want to get the latest features bugs are things you are likely to have to put up with. If you want to wait 4 years to get something of the Treo quality then you'll be pretty assured of a relatively free bug phone. It's worthwhile to note that all the smartphones on the market have had their reliability woes.

    To get to the original question, there's no possibility that you would be stuck with a Revision A or be forced to pay $599 to upgrade to a Revision B. Just take your buggy Treo back to your carrier (in my case Sprint) and show them what's buggy. If it's still buggy after a hard reset and all that stuff (i.e. if it's really the basic phone and not installed program conflicts) they'll replace your phone for free. I believe this is how most people have dealt with problems in the past.
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    Of course there will be some bugs, but fortunately with Palm's track record of fixinX
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    a lot of the 'bugs' come from the 3rd party software that folks install. and since everybody has a different set of apps that they use, there is no possible way that every combination and permutation can be tested before release, and probably no real possibility that ALL those kinds of conflicts could ever be eliminated, and still have an open system that encourages creativity and innovation.
    Change is a challenge to the adventurous, an opportunity to the alert, a threat to the insecure.
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    If you would like your 50 to run clean then don't load any additonal applications. Yes a virgin T650 should run with little to no problems.
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    What if all the tea in China really isn't made there......
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgauss
    When people start getting the 650 there is a (small) probability that the 650 will be full of bugs, crashes, etc.

    Then what is the strategy? Wait for hardware fixes? (In other words are there scenarios where one could get stuck with Revision A which let's say sucks and then Revision B comes out and its another $ 599 to upgrade?)

    Wait for software fixes? Wait? Live with them? Any thoughts?
    Open it up and use some Raid!
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