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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by SeldomVisitor
    From the first post in this thread:

    -- http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...10&postcount=1

    I completely stand by my interpretation of PalmOne's purposeful obfuscation.
    Well, if you're intentionally looking for conspiracy theories, this is an interesting line of thinking, but otherwise...

    This kind of wordsmithing is common practice for manufacturers when trying to avoid stepping on the toes of their channel partners. You come to me and say, "hey, I want to sell those widgets of yours to my customers". I tell you, "great, I'll get them to you by Monday", and then turn around and tell all your customers that you'll be selling my widgets on Monday, when in fact you won't be ready to sell until the following week. Now your customers are POed at you (reminiscent of some of the reactions here to rumored/guessed/"leaked" release dates). If I said this, I'd fully expect you to be angry at me (your supplier). But I can in good conscience tell everyone that I'm shipping them to all my retailers on Monday, and let your clients check with you about when you will actually be putting them on the shelves.

    Happens with cars, video games, electronics, just about anything with a supply chain and a (hyper)active consumer base.
  2. #22  
    Generically that is true, however PalmOne (and HAND before them) has this habit of using, for example, the word "available" in ways that you and I would not.

    The word "shipping" has been so wounded by their misuse that it is comical.

    So, yes, for a regular company doing regular business that horrible interpretation would probably be wrong.

    But for PalmOne?

    No.
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by SeldomVisitor
    Generically that is true, however PalmOne (and HAND before them) has this habit of using, for example, the word "available" in ways that you and I would not.

    The word "shipping" has been so wounded by their misuse that it is comical.
    They were pretty clear in the statement that is the actual subject of this thread. They are shipping to retailers on Nov 12, retailers will decide when they can deliver to consumers. Lines up perfectly with the BestBuy availability dates various people have quoted here.

    When I hear "available" from any manufacturer or retailer, it means that the specs and pricing are available, and I can place an order for a unit. When I hear "shipping", that means orders are being fulfilled (either to the retailers, in the case of manufacturers, or to consumers, in the case of retailers). Sometimes the two are coincident, but sometimes not, like in the case of a highly anticipated new product. Kind of like when Microsoft said Halo 2 was "available" about 10 months ago for orders, but didn't "ship" it to retailers until last week, and retailers didn't "ship" it to consumers until today.
    Last edited by jimf; 11/09/2004 at 04:28 PM.
  4. #24  
    Just finishing emailing my local Sprint store guy(who seems cool). He says the SKU for the 650 is NOW in their system, which means it will be shipped soon. Maybe 11/12 as the previous messages state..tho he didn't know when the shipping would occur..just that it was soon.
    Now we wait...............................
  5. #25  
    So if PalmOne "ships" on Fri., Nov. 12, and if I ordered early on the first day they were taking "pre-orders", and if they are shipping overnight...what are the odds/possibility that I MIGHT get my 650 on Saturday? Or am I just wishful thinking? I'd love to play all weekend. I might be more productive next week...but if it comes Monday....lets just say I won't be responsible for the quality and quantity of my work that week!
  6. #26  
    Overnight shipping does not include Saturday delivery... so your probably stuck until Monday BEST CASE.

    I do, however, concur... my productivity will be next to none next week if I get it on Monday!!!
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  7. #27  
    Oh, that's the worst news I recieved all day...I'm so bummed. I need a therapist....no....I need the Treo....come on Palm ship them now....you've got them....I know you do....just drop them in the mail and get it over with....OK, I'm done with my temper tantrum now....
  8. #28  
    can anyone else with an inside track confirm pwat's message that the Treo 650 SKU is now "IN THE SYSTEM"?

    If so, that's a really really really really good sign!

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  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by NamesJay
    This is what was told by the PalmOne representative in the treo chat earlier today:

    "All shipments of the Treo 650 from PalmOne will commence on Friday, November 12, 2004."



    Keep your dirty lies to yourself
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by dmax
    So if PalmOne "ships" on Fri., Nov. 12, and if I ordered early on the first day they were taking "pre-orders", and if they are shipping overnight...what are the odds/possibility that I MIGHT get my 650 on Saturday? Or am I just wishful thinking? I'd love to play all weekend. I might be more productive next week...but if it comes Monday....lets just say I won't be responsible for the quality and quantity of my work that week!
    I think Monday is a little optimistic
  11. #31  
    I'll post this reply too...these *F@$King threads always sound like this:

    "Just got off the phone with my Sprint Rep and he says the Treo 650 will ship November 10, 2004!

    I said, "No way!"
    He replied, "Way!"
    I said, "No way!"
    He replied again, "Way!"

    There you have it...irrefutable proof that the Treo 650 is out this week...NOT!
  12. #32  
    Actually MisterTreo, quite a few of us were in the chat session with the Palm1 rep earlier today ...

    and he did confirm on multiple occasions that the units will start shipping to customers on Nov 12... he added that every order placed to Palm One prior to Nov 28 would receive next day shipping.

    for what it's worth...
  13. #33  
    I am a Sprint user for about 6 years. I own 3 phones, one for myself, my wife and my son. I had a Treo 300 and then I bought a Treo 600.

    I fail to understand why a loyal customer, such as myself, would have to pay $599 whereas a brand new customer would pay $449.

    This does not increase my loyalty, it only decreases it!
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by hshimans
    I am a Sprint user for about 6 years. I own 3 phones, one for myself, my wife and my son. I had a Treo 300 and then I bought a Treo 600.

    I fail to understand why a loyal customer, such as myself, would have to pay $599 whereas a brand new customer would pay $449.

    This does not increase my loyalty, it only decreases it!
    Amen - at least when we upgraded from the 300 to the 600, we received an "upgrade discount".

    To make matters worse, if you were soooo loyal as to pre-order within hours of them announcing the pre-order, you were double screwed because they then began offering the bluetooth headset to orders later that day - but of course you couldn't get it unless you cancelled your original order and went to the back of the "order line" with a second order. Do they do this on purpose or are they just a bunch of idiots over there at palmOne? I love the Treo, but what a screwed up company!
  15. #35  
    The carriers devide their marketing budgets, and incentives by the number of new subscribers they get and this is figured as the cost of aquiring new customers.

    Prior to number portability they owned your phone number so there was a high enertia factor for staying with a provider (your number), buying a new phone, transfereing your numbers and data... So they didn't have to jump through all kinds to hoops to keep customers.

    Hence there were big incentives given to new subscribers so they would show high numbers of new customers. Now with number portability people will have more freedom to leave (when contracts have expired) and incentives to stay loyalty discounts may improve but the industry will take a while to figure out that stemming defections is equally important to the bottom line as new customers.

    This is why new guys get better discounts, but really since you get 150 back when you start and they may end up paying a retailer 100 to 200 bucks +, they could treat us better.

    Quote Originally Posted by hshimans
    I am a Sprint user for about 6 years. I own 3 phones, one for myself, my wife and my son. I had a Treo 300 and then I bought a Treo 600.

    I fail to understand why a loyal customer, such as myself, would have to pay $599 whereas a brand new customer would pay $449.

    This does not increase my loyalty, it only decreases it!
  16. #36  
    oh my ~

    I have to wait for the unlocked GSM version of the treo650?~

    how long ? 1/2005 ? on my ....
  17. #37  
    i think the i can make the wait...seeing how they threw in a free headset....
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by treotim
    Amen - at least when we upgraded from the 300 to the 600, we received an "upgrade discount".
    Okay guys, time for a crash course in phone subsidizing. And this applies to nearly all phones and PDAs sold in conjunction with a cell phone plan in the US.

    First off, let's be clear: PalmOne is not the company offering the new customer discount. No matter what, they're getting at least $600 for EVERY Treo 650 they sell right now, even if you're a new customer on a new plan. (This by the way, is a big part of why Palm Inc bought Handspring. Cell phones are *really profitable* for the people who make them. Plain PDAs? Not so profitable.)

    So where is P1 getting the missing $150 for new customers? For now, Sprint. Sprint baiscally reimburses cell phone manufacturers a certain amount of cash for every phone sold with a new plan. This is done (obviously) to entice new customers to join up. For those in the know, it's called a phone subsidy. And in fact, there are some phones where even if you buy at the "full" price, Sprint or whatever cell phone company you're with is still paying for part of the phone out of it's pocket and selling the phone at a loss. The only difference is that the amount they're paying is smaller, by about $150.

    So why can't existing customers keep taking advantage of the lower price? Because the cell provider needs time to recoup the cost of the phone it *already* sold you at a significant loss. And they do this through the revenue they get from the monthly rate plan you're on. Depending on how expensive your plan is, it can take anywhere from 4 months (for the all-bells-and-whistles, data and mega-minutes bucket plan) to 18 months (for the bottom rung, bare-bones plans) for them to be able to *start* making any profit off the bills you're paying every month. Think of it as a no-interest loan more than a discount.

    So the economics get pretty apparent here now. If Sprint were to keep offering new phones to existing customers at the lower price before their 18 months is up, they would never turn a profit. In fact, the PCS division of Sprint pretty much never HAS turned an after-tax, real profit for as long as it's been in business. They expect to start making positive cash flow for Sprint in early to mid-2005. Cingular is actually in a similar situation, and their losses are largely absorbed by Cingular's owners: SBC and BellSouth, because like Sprint they know as landline and long distance services continue to decline, Cingular and Sprint PCS will begin to profit.

    Now, I'm not defending this practice, but those are the facts. The alternative is to not sell any phones at any discount. But then, if people actually saw the *real* price of the "free" camera phones that cell companies give away, cell phones probably wouldn't be as common as they are today, and we'd probably have a lot fewer carriers than we do now because of the low demand.

    To make matters worse, if you were soooo loyal as to pre-order within hours of them announcing the pre-order, you were double screwed because they then began offering the bluetooth headset to orders later that day - but of course you couldn't get it unless you cancelled your original order and went to the back of the "order line" with a second order. Do they do this on purpose or are they just a bunch of idiots over there at palmOne? I love the Treo, but what a screwed up company!
    Yeah, there's no defending that at all. The free headset thing was definitely P1's decision, and they botched it up.

    However, I ended up not cancelling and re-doing my order anyway. From what I saw, it was the Jabra headset, and my personal preference is that I wouldn't use a Jabra even if it was free. Used them in the past, and they don't work well for me at all.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by hshimans
    I am a Sprint user for about 6 years. I own 3 phones, one for myself, my wife and my son. I had a Treo 300 and then I bought a Treo 600.

    I fail to understand why a loyal customer, such as myself, would have to pay $599 whereas a brand new customer would pay $449.

    This does not increase my loyalty, it only decreases it!
    Unfortunately, most companies only think short-term, not long-term. Granted there should be a limit to the number of reduced-price phones you can get in a given time, say six months. Otherwise, some people would buy a new phone cheap every month. But carriers like Verizon and Sprint are clamping down. It used to be that if you extended your contract for another two years, you would get the price break. Now, not any more unless you are out of contract. And even then, some instances of that are denied price breaks too.
  20. #40  
    I hope its right, but my order said they expect to start shipping in 2-3 weeks. Who knows.
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