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    The Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG) today announced the adoption of Bluetooth core spec. v2.0 with enhanced data rate.
    The main features of Bluetooth Core Specification Version 2.0 + EDR are:

    - 3 times faster transmission speed (up to 10 times in certain cases)
    - Lower power consumption through reduced duty cycle
    - Simplification of multi-link scenarios due to more available bandwidth
    - Backwards compatible to earlier versions
    - Further improved BER (Bit Error Rate) performance

    Now Palm is 3 generations behind (1.2, 1.2+ and 2.0)!
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    I wouldn't say that. How many Bluetooth 2.0 devices do you see on the market?
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    It's not all about the accessories. It's about the undelying embedded technologies, like:
    Quote Originally Posted by archie
    - Lower power consumption through reduced duty cycle
    - Simplification of multi-link scenarios due to more available bandwidth
    - Backwards compatible to earlier versions
    - Further improved BER (Bit Error Rate) performance
    To say nothing of the previous versions.
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    so what!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOV3
    so what!!!!
    2 coming out doesn't change much really, but using 1.1 was stupid and LAZY of Palm, considering plenty of other devices are coming out before the Treo 650 with BT 1.2
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    They are also, 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, a/b, etc etc etc behind in the wi-fi arena.

    How can anyone put out a device without the latest BT or wifi technology these days and still sell a million of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    They are also, 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, a/b, etc etc etc behind in the wi-fi arena.

    How can anyone put out a device without the latest BT or wifi technology these days and still sell a million of them?
    How? Because those 2 issues aside... the rest of the device is Best of Breed!

    BT is still usable... and your 'standard' BT user is not going to use BT to its fullest extent.

    Just because some of us HIGH END users are upset w/ some of the features... that does not mean the general audience is.
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    How? Because those 2 issues aside... the rest of the device is Best of Breed!

    BT is still usable... and your 'standard' BT user is not going to use BT to its fullest extent.

    Just because some of us HIGH END users are upset w/ some of the features... that does not mean the general audience is.

    True indeed. I could care less about the upgraded version, as long as the current one does what I want it to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert C. Lee
    I wouldn't say that. How many Bluetooth 2.0 devices do you see on the market?

    I predict within the next year, we will see dozens of devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie
    The Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG) today announced the adoption of Bluetooth core spec. v2.0 with enhanced data rate.
    The main features of Bluetooth Core Specification Version 2.0 + EDR are:

    - 3 times faster transmission speed (up to 10 times in certain cases)
    - Lower power consumption through reduced duty cycle
    - Simplification of multi-link scenarios due to more available bandwidth
    - Backwards compatible to earlier versions
    - Further improved BER (Bit Error Rate) performance

    Now Palm is 3 generations behind (1.2, 1.2+ and 2.0)!
    It will take Palm 3 years to get to 2.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    They are also, 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, a/b, etc etc etc behind in the wi-fi arena.

    How can anyone put out a device without the latest BT or wifi technology these days and still sell a million of them?
    The real questions is how can they charge a premium for OLD technology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    How? Because those 2 issues aside... the rest of the device is Best of Breed!

    BT is still usable... and your 'standard' BT user is not going to use BT to its fullest extent.

    Just because some of us HIGH END users are upset w/ some of the features... that does not mean the general audience is.

    BT is going to be the rage...


    Keyboards, Mice, headsets, headphone, cars, phones, PANs....just wait and see.

    BT 2.0 and little kids all wirelessly linked with thier GameBoys 3.x....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    The real questions is how can they charge a premium for OLD technology?
    It's called "integration"

    No one else has integrated as many technologies as Palm has into as appropriate a form-factor as the Treo.

    Think of the "transistor radio" in the late 1960s - it did not do anything that a table-top tube radio could not do, but because it was "transitorized" it was portable and personal and people fell in love. Repeat with the Walkman, and more recently the iPod. None of these products were the most feature laden of their general category, they were all better because of the sum of the parts, the integration that enabled the user to just enjoy them.

    I kept my 300 and skipped the 600 to wait for bluetooth and higher screen resolution, but it was because I couldnt justify such an expensive phone every year, not because it wasn't the bext all-around smartphone on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOV3
    so what!!!!
    I'll tell you what:
    • Although Bluetooth 1.2 brought compatability with wi-fi radios, 2.0 ensures the use of drop-in wi-fi cards.

    • 2.0 will get you anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of extra battery time, depending on how you use it (I have no hard number to give you here, this is theoretical).

    • You can have more than one connection at a time (say, maybe listening to a song with your Bluetooth headphones while copying that same song to your computer – via Bluetooth).

    • Hey what do you know, when you are listening to that song through your headphones, it can be in stereo now. That's becasue 2.0 is fast enough to transfer more than mere compressed mono sounds.

    Ther's more but I am going home, so check into it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonshark
    It's called "integration"

    No one else has integrated as many technologies as Palm has into as appropriate a form-factor as the Treo.

    Think of the "transistor radio" in the late 1960s - it did not do anything that a table-top tube radio could not do, but because it was "transitorized" it was portable and personal and people fell in love. Repeat with the Walkman, and more recently the iPod. None of these products were the most feature laden of their general category, they were all better because of the sum of the parts, the integration that enabled the user to just enjoy them.

    I kept my 300 and skipped the 600 to wait for bluetooth and higher screen resolution, but it was because I couldnt justify such an expensive phone every year, not because it wasn't the bext all-around smartphone on the market.

    uh, it's called "bull-sh-y-te"

    Your examples are about portability, and the transistor radios were a huge leap for that (but not sound quality). Same for Walkman (I know, I had the oriiginal). As for the iPod, this was more about Apple's user interface (both on the PC/Mac and the device user interface) than anything else. The iPod is super popular because of iTunes (Windows). It seems no one on the PC side could make some decent song library software. Pair that with a portable device, and bingo, it's a super-hit.

    The irony is that Apple have made more profit from PC users than Mac users in the past year.

    BT is nothing new...been around a long time...been in phones for years.

    Other devices have this; on the PPC front, for example. Palm has a lock on the market; Sony gave up.

    "appropriate form factor" is a very relative term.

    And it's much more about the carrier than it is the device.
    Take away the phone, and it's several years behind everything else.

    I love it, but as soon as someone has a better mousetrap, on the right carrier, I am gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archie
    I'll tell you what:
    • Although Bluetooth 1.2 brought compatability with wi-fi radios, 2.0 ensures the use of drop-in wi-fi cards.

    • 2.0 will get you anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of extra battery time, depending on how you use it (I have no hard number to give you here, this is theoretical).

    • You can have more than one connection at a time (say, maybe listening to a song with your Bluetooth headphones while copying that same song to your computer – via Bluetooth).

    • Hey what do you know, when you are listening to that song through your headphones, it can be in stereo now. That's becasue 2.0 is fast enough to transfer more than mere compressed mono sounds.

    Ther's more but I am going home, so check into it yourself.


    Again, all reason why this will take off.
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    First the good:

    The Bluetooth SIG established a new policy for finalizing specifications. This is meant to help manufacturers get the devices into our hands in a quicker manner and eliminate risks of interoperability issues.

    The chips with the new specification are available immediately from Broadcom and CSR, and will be available in 2 months from RF Micro Devices.

    More benefits in addition to those listed on my first post:
    Smaller size,
    Lower cost,
    Lower power consumption (This will increase the phone’s battery life but also increase the battery life of devices like Bluetooth headphones by as much as 200%.)

    Something to look forward to.

    Now the Bad:

    In reading through some of the Sprint Treo 650 User Guide, the Bluetooth situation looks more grim than I have previously thought. I will not bother writing about it here because people do not seem to want to believe what I write about Bluetooth here at TreoCentral.
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    Although Bluetooth 1.2 brought compatability with wi-fi radios, 2.0 ensures the use of drop-in wi-fi cards.
    I don't buy this, Palm is the only company that seems to have an issue with this, it is not a problem for the various manufacturers of PPCs, I think it is just a convieniant excuse for Palm!
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    BT 2.0 looks to be a nice leap. However you were not expecting the 650 to have it (this is the 650 forum afterall), were you? If this technology is brand new, how can Palm be expected to include it in a device that is being shipped next week?

    Therefore, 2.0 is still future technology, and hopefully will be standard in the next Treo. As a person who is knowledgeable re: BT, what are we missing out on by only getting 1.1, as opposed to 1.2?

    Rob
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec
    It will take Palm 3 years to get to 2.0.
    And by then we will not be using Palm devices anyway. Something better will come along. I am not knocking Palm, but new technology is coming.
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