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  1. #41  
    So, if you use that red button to turn off the wireless signal, what do you use after that to turn the PDA part on and off?
  2. #42  
    Eric, you're a better man than I am. I only fly Southwest when I'm flying from Raleigh to Philadelphia, and it's just an hour; so, I just bite my tongue.
  3. #43  
    Well it does help that she was cute Actually, I am in military and that is contract carrier to west coast (san diego)....I was trying to "teach" them more than anything but they cant comprehend the number and complexity of these varying devices. As for the top question. Once you turn off the wireless function itself, the main power is for on and off. My guess is that on new 650, it will be a matter of press for on and off, verses press and hold for wireless on, similar to top button on 600 now.
    Eric
  4. #44  
    I work for SWA and I just wanted to chuck my two cents worth in. While our F/As are trained in a number of different areas, tech isn't one of them. Do you really think they need to know the difference between a Blackberry and a Treo 600 in order to get your **** out the emergency exit door or serve you your drink? Aviation's their game, tech is yours. There are just too many variables regarding comm devices these days and we'd never leave the gate if we checked all 137 passengers to see what cellphone/smartphone/PDA/laptop they are using. I do admit though that some F/As and some airlines convey the message more politely than others.

    Be aware that most disorderly passengers get charged with the very general, "not following the direction of flight crew (pilot or F/A)". If he/she asks me to pull my pants down, I'd probably say "no" and it'd be OK but if they ask something to do with what they perceive as safety, comfort, or crew duty, I'd just comply (and that's for ANY airline that I fly on).

    ***steps off soapbox***
  5. #45  
    so does the 650 have an airplane mode?
    Naveen

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  6. #46  
    What about rocket mode? Oh rocketman...
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    #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by Flyguy
    I work for SWA and I just wanted to chuck my two cents worth in. While our F/As are trained in a number of different areas, tech isn't one of them. Do you really think they need to know the difference between a Blackberry and a Treo 600 in order to get your **** out the emergency exit door or serve you your drink? Aviation's their game, tech is yours. There are just too many variables regarding comm devices these days and we'd never leave the gate if we checked all 137 passengers to see what cellphone/smartphone/PDA/laptop they are using. I do admit though that some F/As and some airlines convey the message more politely than others.

    Be aware that most disorderly passengers get charged with the very general, "not following the direction of flight crew (pilot or F/A)". If he/she asks me to pull my pants down, I'd probably say "no" and it'd be OK but if they ask something to do with what they perceive as safety, comfort, or crew duty, I'd just comply (and that's for ANY airline that I fly on).

    ***steps off soapbox***
    The issue isn't whether it's too much to ask for the F/As. The issue is that all the other airlines seem to understand that there are hybrid devices and that they're OK to use if their transmitter is off (and there's a clear way to see that they're off). All of the other F/As seem to handle this just fine. SWA is the only airline that has this odd policy.

    And I for one will avoid them whenever possible because of this.
    Less than 400 posts to get my own little treo icon!
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by Flyguy
    Be aware that most disorderly passengers get charged with the very general, "not following the direction of flight crew (pilot or F/A)". If he/she asks me to pull my pants down, I'd probably say "no" and it'd be OK
    Maybe, maybe not. Here's my F/A fright story: Two years ago, I was traveling in First Class with my Mom (my wife was on a separate flight with my kids and my Dad), who, was then 79. The F/A was male, and he was very prissy in his manner (no implications). Although we had bought out tickets together, due to that airline's policy of limiting the number of First Class advance bookings, we wound up with seats far apart in the cabin. When we got on the plane, as we were being directed to our seats, my mom indicated that we were traveling together and would like to sit together. Usually, when you ask this, you get a reply like "well the flight is pretty full, but you'll probably be able to work something out with the person sitting next to you." Instead, this guy said, "The flight is fully booked, and you must stay in your assigned seat." In any event, my mom (who, even at her age, flys a lot as she has homes in 3 states and one other country) talked to her seat-mate and he agreed to switch with me, so we switched. When the F/A comes through the cabin to get our dinner selection, we tell him of the switch, and he makes me go back to my original seat. The guy I swapped with is pissed because he has to go back to a seat in the center section instead of a window seat, but he goes. The F/A grins in triumph.

    Then dinner comes and my mom's tray has a pepper shaker, but no salt shaker. So my mom asks the F/A for some salt, and he ignores her. A few minutes later, she asks again, and he says that there isn't any salt. My mom points out that every other passenger in First Class has salt, so why didn't she get any. He said that they never have enough salt shakers and some passengers have to do without. So my mom asks him if he can get her some salt from coach. The F/C doesn't reply and disapears for about 10 minutes. I'm seeing all this, and I go and give my mom my salt shaker. The F/A then resurfaces, sees that my mom now has salt and goes ballistic, screaming "Where'd you get that salt shaker? Give it to me!" My mom, at this point pretty ballistic herself, refuses. The F/A says "If you don't give me the salt shaker, I'll have the pilot land the plane and you'll be arrested." My mom says, fine, I'd like to speak to the pilot. The pilot comes back and says "you have to do what the F/A says" so my mom gives up the salt shaker. The pilot goes back into the cockpit and the F/A to the galley, and six other passengers give my mother their salt shakers. The F/A comes back out and sees the six other salt shakers on my mother's tray and his face turns the color of a tomato. This time he doesn't even bother to ask, and just scoops up the salt shakers and takes them away. A few minutes later, the pilot comes back and tells my mom that the F/A is an *****, but the law says that she has to do what he says, and he advises her to file a complaint with the airline. We suspect that the F/A had gone back to the pilot to rat on the other passengers who gave my mom some salt and the pilot told him to give it up. The F/A was frosty but polite for the rest of the flight.

    I fly a lot, and the majority of F/As are friendly, helpful, and have a very dificult job having to deal with some very unruly passengers. But there is a small, but distinct minority of F/As who are rude, officious and unreasonable. The caricature of the obnoxious F/A by David Spade on SNL ("buh-bye") didn't come out of thin air. The fact that the crowd burst into applause when a passenger who was stopped from trying to rescue his 2 year-old child by a Continental gate attendant slammed the attendant to the floor head first and it took a jury only 3 hours to acquit him should indicate something about how the traveling public feels about some of these people.
    Regards,

    Robert
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbienstock
    Maybe, maybe not. Here's my F/A fright story: Two years ago, I was traveling in First Class with my Mom (my wife was on a separate flight with my kids and my Dad), who, was then 79. The F/A was male, and he was very prissy in his manner (no implications). Although we had bought out tickets together, due to that airline's policy of limiting the number of First Class advance bookings, we wound up with seats far apart in the cabin. When we got on the plane, as we were being directed to our seats, my mom indicated that we were traveling together and would like to sit together. Usually, when you ask this, you get a reply like "well the flight is pretty full, but you'll probably be able to work something out with the person sitting next to you." Instead, this guy said, "The flight is fully booked, and you must stay in your assigned seat." In any event, my mom (who, even at her age, flys a lot as she has homes in 3 states and one other country) talked to her seat-mate and he agreed to switch with me, so we switched. When the F/A comes through the cabin to get our dinner selection, we tell him of the switch, and he makes me go back to my original seat. The guy I swapped with is pissed because he has to go back to a seat in the center section instead of a window seat, but he goes. The F/A grins in triumph.

    Then dinner comes and my mom's tray has a pepper shaker, but no salt shaker. So my mom asks the F/A for some salt, and he ignores her. A few minutes later, she asks again, and he says that there isn't any salt. My mom points out that every other passenger in First Class has salt, so why didn't she get any. He said that they never have enough salt shakers and some passengers have to do without. So my mom asks him if he can get her some salt from coach. The F/C doesn't reply and disapears for about 10 minutes. I'm seeing all this, and I go and give my mom my salt shaker. The F/A then resurfaces, sees that my mom now has salt and goes ballistic, screaming "Where'd you get that salt shaker? Give it to me!" My mom, at this point pretty ballistic herself, refuses. The F/A says "If you don't give me the salt shaker, I'll have the pilot land the plane and you'll be arrested." My mom says, fine, I'd like to speak to the pilot. The pilot comes back and says "you have to do what the F/A says" so my mom gives up the salt shaker. The pilot goes back into the cockpit and the F/A to the galley, and six other passengers give my mother their salt shakers. The F/A comes back out and sees the six other salt shakers on my mother's tray and his face turns the color of a tomato. This time he doesn't even bother to ask, and just scoops up the salt shakers and takes them away. A few minutes later, the pilot comes back and tells my mom that the F/A is an *****, but the law says that she has to do what he says, and he advises her to file a complaint with the airline. We suspect that the F/A had gone back to the pilot to rat on the other passengers who gave my mom some salt and the pilot told him to give it up. The F/A was frosty but polite for the rest of the flight.

    I fly a lot, and the majority of F/As are friendly, helpful, and have a very dificult job having to deal with some very unruly passengers. But there is a small, but distinct minority of F/As who are rude, officious and unreasonable. The caricature of the obnoxious F/A by David Spade on SNL ("buh-bye") didn't come out of thin air. The fact that the crowd burst into applause when a passenger who was stopped from trying to rescue his 2 year-old child by a Continental gate attendant slammed the attendant to the floor head first and it took a jury only 3 hours to acquit him should indicate something about how the traveling public feels about some of these people.
    Sorry to hear what happend to your mother. This absolutly upsets me.
  10. #50  
    So what airlines was this? For first class passengers to be treated like that is amazing athough I've had my share of rude attendents on United Business class flights.
  11. #51  
    These are the sort of people (the F/A nazi) that it is really fun to annoy. Good for your mom! This would be the thing (at least for me) that would be fun for me to actually have the F/A try and get you arrested. Imagine the air marshal trying to figure out the infraction - salt shaker excessive acquisition.

    J
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by scotttreo
    So what airlines was this? For first class passengers to be treated like that is amazing athough I've had my share of rude attendents on United Business class flights.
    AA.
    Regards,

    Robert
  13. #53  
    I just called my mom, and she says that it was Delta, not American.
    Regards,

    Robert
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbienstock
    I just called my mom, and she says that it was Delta, not American.
    american airlines f/a are pretty nice. the southwest ones are overworked i thnk. you guys should watch the show about airports and southwest---it is hilarous
    Naveen

    Current:Cingular 8525 w/Faria R32

    Next Phone:
    Something from HTC because Palm sucks, so I want a Touch Pro, Touch HD, or a Treo Pro.
  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbienstock
    The fact that the crowd burst into applause when a passenger who was stopped from trying to rescue his 2 year-old child by a Continental gate attendant slammed the attendant to the floor head first and it took a jury only 3 hours to acquit him should indicate something about how the traveling public feels about some of these people.
    woah the service you recieved in First class was attrocious if that happened to me that FA would lose his job that day. This incident you speak of what happened, I don't ever recall hearing anything on the news about it.
  16. #56  
    The picture I have stuck in my head with all these stories is the F/A in Meet The Fockers...with the sticks in her hair, accosting Ben Stiller about his suitcase in the overhead.
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