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  1. #21  
    nice...See, someone that has actually TOUCHED it, can say whatever the heck he feels about it. THis one turned out to be nice, and I'm falling even more in love.
  2. #22  
    I have been waiting for my first smartphone for far too long. I have been wanting a device that I can use as a phone (like my samsung), email device (like a blackberry), and PDA (like Ipaq). I don't plan on making big spreadsheets, but it would be nice to view MS Word, Excel, PPT files, and such attachments in email. Of course, I would like a bit of speed and a bit of memory to hold this stuff.

    I am finally seeing some potential, but not sure which way to lean. When I browse, I want to browse by wi-fi, or something of similar speed (EDGE) for a flat monthly rate.

    So, there is the new HP6315 that came out, but is crippled with a very slow IMAP processor and a detachable keyboard. It goes smoothly between Wi-fi, voice, and GSM internet access. It works as a phone, though bulky. T-mobile does not have EDGE, but I can use wi-fi where available.

    Now, the Treo 650 comes along. The reviews sound very nice, but none has touched upon the browsing. Treonauts mentions an improved browser, but quickly left the topic alone.

    Can someone tell me how the 650 does for internet browsing using the Sprint system and then the AT&T. Is the Sprint version painfully slow? Are the data packages from Sprint unbearably expensive?

    Can anyone compare the Treo 650 to the HP 6315? I would love to be convinced about which of these two devices to buy. I have been waiting so long, and I don't want to buy impulsively as I want something to last for a few years.

    Will the Treo 650 be able to use wi-fi at some point in the near future?

    I appreciate any comments as I am agonizing over this issue. Please tell me about internet browsing on the Treo 650.

    Thanks.
  3.    #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    I have been waiting for my first smartphone for far too long. I have been wanting a device that I can use as a phone (like my samsung), email device (like a blackberry), and PDA (like Ipaq). I don't plan on making big spreadsheets, but it would be nice to view MS Word, Excel, PPT files, and such attachments in email. Of course, I would like a bit of speed and a bit of memory to hold this stuff.

    I am finally seeing some potential, but not sure which way to lean. When I browse, I want to browse by wi-fi, or something of similar speed (EDGE) for a flat monthly rate.

    So, there is the new HP6315 that came out, but is crippled with a very slow IMAP processor and a detachable keyboard. It goes smoothly between Wi-fi, voice, and GSM internet access. It works as a phone, though bulky. T-mobile does not have EDGE, but I can use wi-fi where available.

    Now, the Treo 650 comes along. The reviews sound very nice, but none has touched upon the browsing. Treonauts mentions an improved browser, but quickly left the topic alone.

    Can someone tell me how the 650 does for internet browsing using the Sprint system and then the AT&T. Is the Sprint version painfully slow? Are the data packages from Sprint unbearably expensive?

    Can anyone compare the Treo 650 to the HP 6315? I would love to be convinced about which of these two devices to buy. I have been waiting so long, and I don't want to buy impulsively as I want something to last for a few years.

    Will the Treo 650 be able to use wi-fi at some point in the near future?

    I appreciate any comments as I am agonizing over this issue. Please tell me about internet browsing on the Treo 650.

    Thanks.
    Spreadsheets/Office Integration: the Treo 650 will come bundled with the full version of Docs-to-Go allowing you to open, amend and resend via email any office docs on your Treo.

    Browsing: in my view this was never 'painfully' slow on the Treo 600 and one can obviously not expect to have the same browsing experience on a phone than on a PC. However, AT&T's EDGE support for example will naturally benefit faster browsing.

    Comparisons: any comparisons with other devices are futile...

    WiFi: you are very likely going to see built-in support for this in next generation Treo's.

    Cheers, W.
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    #24  
    The problem I have with this is not that the 650 stil comes out on top, but the fact that the 650 comes out on top for now, but maybe not in 6 months. The Treo has raised the bar twice in two years with the 300/270 and then the 600.

    Can anyone argue that P1 continues to raise the bar with the 650 ? It seems more to me like they're trying to keep up. By taking this strategy, I am now considering other options, and will put off a decision for at least 6 months before I make my next purchase. This from someone who counts on buying a new device from P1 every year.

    Whats's truly ridiculous is that the Treo line has a rabid following. Most of us drool at the thought of the next device. P1 has issued an update that will kill off this kind of fanatic. Yeah, the 650 is a great device, but not at that price for those who already own the 600, shelled out the bucks to buy one and all the required accessories. I have to not only buy the device without a loyalty upgrade discount, but I also have to re-buy all my accessories to boot. I consider this a slap in the face.
  5. #25  
    Slap in the face, yes.... but the change in connector will actually allow accessories be consistent across devices, so you should not have to deal with this in the future.

    As for just 'keeping up'... how can it be the best, and just be 'keeping up?'
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
  6. #26  
    treo...treo...treo...i obey....treo...treo
  7. #27  
    Those are truly my choices right now for my first smartphone.

    How does the Treo line compare to the Blackberry line?

    I know the MPx is not out there yet, but it looks like it might be a pretty cool phone with the included Wi-Fi.

    How slow is browsing the internet on Sprints CDMA system? Does anyone have any real life experience browsing this way, and just how slow does it seem?

    I heard the AT&T EDGE is just now as fast as Sprints CDMA and may not be any faster for a long time and the coverage is much more limited than Sprints. Any truths there?

    Thank you again. You can probably feel my pain.
  8. #28  
    Huge Treo advantage over Blackberry is the touch screen.

    As for the data, Sprint runs at about 100 kb/sec... give or take. EDGE and EV DO will be faster, but there is some speculation as to which is right now.
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by wanderman
    You're absolutely right on the pictures front - it was one of the things that slipped my mind in the middle of all the excitement... I'm working to remedy this...

    How could we ever doubt that we would all remain loyal Treonauts...

    Cheers, W.
    Here are the few picture I came away with. If it were not for an MMS Problem, we would have many more pictures.
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...arison+600+650
  10. #30  
    Very nice wanderman! I don't know how someone could not be pysched for the Treo 650 after reading that review
    Robert
    Please visit my moblog, Robert-O-Rama
  11. #31  
    I agree Robert, Wanderman's review completely turned my feelings for the device around. I will have to wait until it comes out so i can play with it and the PDA2K personally. Whichever form factor I prefer will be the one I buy, its that close now.
  12. #32  
    Does the T650 properly handle timezones for calendar entries? On the T600 say I have a meeting in London (that I have to dial in for) set for 2pm GMT, then I fly to New York, and switch in World Clock to the EST timezone. The problem is that my meeting time is still displayed as 2pm EST when it should in fact be 9am EST. Have they fixed this annoying problem?
  13.    #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by mjw
    Does the T650 properly handle timezones for calendar entries? On the T600 say I have a meeting in London (that I have to dial in for) set for 2pm GMT, then I fly to New York, and switch in World Clock to the EST timezone. The problem is that my meeting time is still displayed as 2pm EST when it should in fact be 9am EST. Have they fixed this annoying problem?
    Hi mjw,

    I got to experience this very same issue first-hand last week in SF and I should have an answer for you on whether this has now been 'fixed' on the 650 within the next couple of days.

    Cheers, W.
  14. #34  
    I plan on getting a 650 and the review looks good, but how can we expect a site named Treonauts not to be biased. Thats like saying FoxNews is not biased.
    But really, that was a good review and he gave good logical points as to why he believes the 650 is best.
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by wolwol
    yea, thanks w, i know i can map_any_application on treo 650, what am really curious is whether REAL player, the so 'called' mp3 player is uninstallable...
    thanks man
    Bump...what's the verdict here wanderman? Is RealPlayer in ROM or not?
    Palm III > HS Visor > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 750 > Treo Pro > PrePlus GSM

    "95% of all software issues are due to USER ERROR."
  16.    #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by scottymomo
    Bump...what's the verdict here wanderman? Is RealPlayer in ROM or not?
    I cannot yet categorically say that you _can_ remove RealPlayer even though it would be a first for users not to be able to delete any installed app. I should have a definitive answer on this by tomorrow though...

    Cheers, W.
  17. #37  
    I have to imagine you're correct, since it's a 3rd party app like Docs to Go etc which you could uninstall on the 600s.
    Palm III > HS Visor > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 750 > Treo Pro > PrePlus GSM

    "95% of all software issues are due to USER ERROR."
  18. #38  
    I've handeled the treo 650 GSM and Sprint phones at a meeting once they were both nice versions, but I tried to plug in my Tmobile SIM and it wouldn't work not even for an unlock code because it was by AT&T.... the camera and video camera capability is crisp. I used to have a Sidekick II and that phone sucks compared to the 650....The internet comes out faster and better than the 600 and you already have your RealOne Player on it plus the Bluetooth on it for the Javra Headset and it's got the multi connector at the bottom which looks alot more convenient than a universal....I'm cancelling T-mobile service so I can get the 650 sooner with AT&T/Cingular when it comes available...it seems like it has pretty much everything you would be looking for or want at your hands plus the shape is easier to use than the 600
  19. #39  
    wanderman:

    Thanks for the review, but I have one question about VersaMail that the article didn't address: does VM do background fetching? Lack of this feature has always been SnapperMail's Achilles' Heel on the Treo.
  20. #40  
    that is why i can not wait till christmas!!! my choices are going to be from the treo 650, mpx 220 and the siemens unit
    Naveen

    Current:Cingular 8525 w/Faria R32

    Next Phone:
    Something from HTC because Palm sucks, so I want a Touch Pro, Touch HD, or a Treo Pro.
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