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    Those of us who've been critical of Palm's new Treo release have been called 'whiners.' If you don't understand why we're complaining so loudly, let me explain.

    All of us techies on this board have watched companies we *love* lose their edge or go out of business because they stopped innovating.

    Remember when Alta Vista and Lycos were leading edge search engines?
    What happened to those companies? They focused on buyouts, legal issues and drawing the perfect mascot--and stopped providing real upgrades. Meanwhile Google updated and improved their product.

    If you were someone who stubbornly kept using Alta Vista or Lycos instead of moving on to Google, you missed out on the real power of the growing Internet.

    That's what's happening here. If we get excited every time Palm comes out with a new handset and ignore the innovation around us, we'll miss out on the amazing features that others are adding.

    Call us whiners, but all we're saying is: 1) Palm's latest upgrade isn't the work of a hungry, innovative company, and 2) wait before you buy their latest upgrade so you can *try* one of the new cutting edge phones that are springing up around us.
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    I think Palm was more concerned with PERFECTING a solid device and getting the lock on the industry, rather than trying to jam pack the thing with features..

    My guess is you'll start seeing lots of bugs and issues with the competing devices while the more refined 650 excels..
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    I'm not so sure. I'm on my 4th T600. Or is it 5th? I can't remember how many times I've had to replace it. Treo's track record for this isn't good. I'm not sure I can expect a better design from Palm.

    But let's say you're right and that the 650's best improvement is it has fewer bugs than the 600. In that case, what took them so long?!
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    As clarification, the Treo 650 upgrade *does* stink *only if* you currently own a Treo 600.
    I have detailed files.
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    Different production company.... that's not just something you can change 'mid-model.'
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    Well I spent most of the day today at the CTIA show in San Francisco which lets you compare most of the latest and greatest phones in one place. The lines for trying the Treo 650s were very long and response was overwhelmingly positive. I'd have liked some further upgrades such as memory or wi-fi but the 650 is a very nice phone when you get to actually use it. The screen is fantastic, the keyboard is much improved, Bluetooth is finally here, Blazer handles many more web sites and the removable battery was a very popular feature. It's not perfect but I'm much more impressed after having used it and will definitely upgrade. Futhermore I didn't really see much in the way of competition for a small phone type factor smart phone. The Pocket PC stuff is very impressive but all really felt more like PDA's than phones. Fine for some people but not really the Treo's design goal. I used the T-mobile Blackberry, the Nokia clamshells, and the several Pocket PCs today and left with the impression I'm buying the 650 to replace my 600. It's a much better phone than you're expecting if you're just going by the spec sheet and attendance at the Treo booth would indicate they're in good shape.

    Actually most of this just reminds that upon the 600's release most boards were full of people proclaiming it a disaster because of the 160x160 screen. Users always better upgrades but realistically Palm has still produced a product that many people will consider to be the very best phone/pda on the market. They'll sell a ton of them, assuming they ever get the carriers to release them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treominator
    As clarification, the Treo 650 upgrade *does* stink *only if* you currently own a Treo 600.
    No. I'm saying that, as a company they're not showing the proper innovation speed.
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    I think they are far enough of the game AT THE MOMENT to dictate their own business philosophy and you and I have no choice but to live with it and make OUR own business decisions.
    I have detailed files.
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    I'm buying the 650, in part, because I'm not sure PalmOne will be around long enough to put out the 700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTreo
    No. I'm saying that, as a company they're not showing the proper innovation speed.
    If they came out with new Treos every 4 months you think that would be good business?
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    Maybe some of you don't want wi-fi, others can't live without it. Some want more internal memory, other's don't care. How about giving us a choice.

    The PalmOne.com Web site lists 7 non-phone PDA's and 2 Treos--one of which isn't even out yet. Doesn't that indicate some screwed up understanding of where the market is heading?
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    Dude what do you want them to develop 12 new treos in a years time?
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    I am not sure why people keep blaming palm for the high failure rate of the 600. It was DESIGNED BY A DIFFERENT COMPANY. They bought it and inherited all the the bad design and manufacturing that came with it. Keep in mind Handspring was desperate and cash strapped.

    So now they take a long time on the 650 and they employee one of the best manufactureres in the business...and what do people do? Complain more. Geesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTreo
    Maybe some of you don't want wi-fi, others can't live without it. Some want more internal memory, other's don't care. How about giving us a choice.

    The PalmOne.com Web site lists 7 non-phone PDA's and 2 Treos--one of which isn't even out yet. Doesn't that indicate some screwed up understanding of where the market is heading?
    Uh dude, you have a choice. Buy something else. You dont like the development track go start your own company and churn out those new models as fast as you like.

    What ever choice you make get over this. All this whining is probably why your woman dumped you.
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