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    Despite many good threads on these boards with objective argumentation, there is a general prevalence to criticize PalmOne and PalmSource on TreoCentral.

    I do understand this, as many are disappointed at the Treo650 and are now looking at alternatives, e.g. with MS OS.

    With this in mind, I found the following article on msmobile rather funny, as MS fans seem to have exacly the opposite opinion - they are disappointed about MS' complacency.

    http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3212.html

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    abookas:

    Good find. As one of those vocal Palm critics, it's not so much bashing as genuine disappointment about opportunities missed (unless you're REALLY cynical like me, and assume it's all about marketing currently available options, such as WiFi, 1.3 mpxl camera, etc., as future "upgrades").

    I've looked at them all, and none of the alternatives out there, including PDA2k and Motorola 300x, can yet compete with the size and feature set of the Treo 650.
    Remember, the "P" in PDA stands for personal.
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    proves the concept that our society these days is filled with 'what I have isn't good enough' and 'hey - that person over there has X product, and I don't, so I have to have that'. We are never satisfied with what we have, and advertisers & marketeers absolutely prey on that. So - I maintain that people would b**** no matter what pOne had put in the product. Someone always will - it's an inevitability.
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    People here are professional complainers. The 650 could have had a 1 GHZ processor, bluetooth 1.8, 5 MP camera, 2 GB of memory, wi-fi, wi-max, and people would still be whining about it. Many people here have no understanding of the business process that goes behind deciding specs on a device, nor the desires of the average user.

    As someone who uses the 650, I can say that the vast majority of users will be very impressed with the new screen and the addition of bluetooth. The 0.4% of users here aren't representative of the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrosser
    proves the concept that our society these days is filled with 'what I have isn't good enough' and 'hey - that person over there has X product, and I don't, so I have to have that'. We are never satisfied with what we have, and advertisers & marketeers absolutely prey on that. So - I maintain that people would b**** no matter what pOne had put in the product. Someone always will - it's an inevitability.
    In part you are right, but the real b****ing going on here is because the alternatives (WiFi, 1.3 mpxl camera, more memory) ALL exist today, and COULD have been incorporated. Mark my words, they are being held back for the 660, 670, etc. over the next year to look like "upgrades" to new users.
    Remember, the "P" in PDA stands for personal.
    If it works for you, it is "P"erfect.
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    actually, Dstrauss, you made my point for me. My post said that we as a society see 'things' that others have, and our nature is to want that, whatever it may be. In other words, we're not satisfied with what we have (I'm right there along with the rest of you). So - your post, saying that folks are unhappy that these other items are out there and available, and that we want those out there and available things, just proves my point.
    I'm not saying all that is bad, I'm just saying that 'gotta have it' attitude (for better or worse, need or no need) is what's driving most of the general attitudes in these posts. Human nature.
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    I am not pissed about the processor, the BT..as a treo 600 user I am pissed about the hassles - screen failures, network issues, etc...on my 5th phone. They should have resolved these issues a long time ago. These are comples devices but the failure rates are ludicrous.
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    Its human nature to look for the best combination of features, price, usability and form factor. I think its perfectly fine. The reason people are unhappy with the t650 is that it does not match other devices in features. People want to stay with the treo... but if it cant keep up.. then they won't

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at the market and comparing features of phones. Its odd that people are so attached to P1 that they cannot look at other options. The treo 650 looks like it will be great. It has many of the things that my 600 is missing and will probably solve a lot of problems. However, I would be stupid not to look at other devices that have similar price but more features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfbeast
    Its human nature to look for the best combination of features, price, usability and form factor. I think its perfectly fine. The reason people are unhappy with the t650 is that it does not match other devices in features. People want to stay with the treo... but if it cant keep up.. then they won't

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at the market and comparing features of phones. Its odd that people are so attached to P1 that they cannot look at other options. The treo 650 looks like it will be great. It has many of the things that my 600 is missing and will probably solve a lot of problems. However, I would be stupid not to look at other devices that have similar price but more features.
    I agree completly. What is wrong with CUSTOMERS discussing the things they want? We have the right, and we should put pressure on the companies that we buy products from. If we didn't there would be no upgrades ever.

    Personally, I am really excited. The PDAPhone concept was such a small nitch that the outlook for competition was nill (just a few years ago). Its so nice to see new competition. Competition pushes these companies to innovate and improve the product offerings.

    I went to the competition (pda2k). By spending my $$ in another company I am showing Palm1 that the reliability of the Treo600 was not forgotton. Nor was the reliability of the Treo270. I got bit twice by that product line. I am not a 3rd.

    Hopefully they will let the talent at Palm out of the closet and get their act together. When that happends they will back on my list of canidates.
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    Valid points, every one. I think my only complaint with anyone complaining is this: Don't like it? Don't buy it? Want to discuss it? Discuss it. But don't, I repeat DON'T tell me how stupid I am for wanting it, or that I'll have all the problems you did, or that I'll be over to M$ in a few months. BS. I have never, I repeat NEVER had a problem with my T300. I have never, I repeat NEVER had a problem with my T600, and THAT is what I am confidant will continue when I purchase my T650 next week. DSTRAUSS has it right with his "the P is for Personal" quote. You know what I wanted in the "new" Treo? Hi-res, Bluetooth, and a camera that would take a quick picture I could use. Looks like that's exactly what they gave me. So, please, not that it happened in this thread, but all of you "angry", "disappointed" Treo fans? Vent all you want, but don't take it out on me because I'm happy with the device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrosser
    actually, Dstrauss, you made my point for me. My post said that we as a society see 'things' that others have, and our nature is to want that, whatever it may be. In other words, we're not satisfied with what we have (I'm right there along with the rest of you). So - your post, saying that folks are unhappy that these other items are out there and available, and that we want those out there and available things, just proves my point.
    I'm not saying all that is bad, I'm just saying that 'gotta have it' attitude (for better or worse, need or no need) is what's driving most of the general attitudes in these posts. Human nature.
    Nrosser: We're still mis-communicating. This is not simply a "got to have" attitude. All three of these offerings - more memory, WiFi, and better camera are items already in other Palm offerings using their existing OS and architecture. There is nothing that's not doable, and all three strongly enhance the usability of the Treo 650. I'll even spot you that the WiFi and camera could be an either/or addition, BUT there is no excuse for the lack of memory.
    Remember, the "P" in PDA stands for personal.
    If it works for you, it is "P"erfect.
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    Heh... I dont know why people get angry or dissapointed over a phone release. I was happy with the treo 600 cuz it was the best thing out there... Now... I think I will be going to the PPC6600 or MDAIII on tmobile because I think it is better than the Treo 650 in many ways. I am not mad a P1... I just found something better =)

    DrDoom, you may not have problems with the treo... but many people have. I have had 5 replacements. But its not the problems that people are mostly complaining about. Its the lack of features. There are still many limitations the T650 has that competition does not. If you are fine living with those limitations for the smaller size of the T650.. then thats great for you... but for many other people... we would have liked to see a better upgrade.

    Even so... everything is fine... I am sure I'll be happy with whichever PDA phone I choose. And competition is great for the market.

    Please do not mistake an honest evaluation of the features of the phone as an attack.
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    The PDA2k still looks mighty sweet (and extremely pricey)
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    Quote Originally Posted by outz
    The PDA2k still looks mighty sweet (and extremely pricey)
    Mark my words. pda2k will be ~599 in the usa.
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    MS Smartphone platform, despite running on equally powerful processors as many Pocket PC devices, is very crippled and does not have MS Reader (!!!), Pocket Excel, Pocket Word, Terminal Services Client, etc - porting would be very easy but Microsoft simply didn't do it
    This is probably the most prominent reason not to by a Smartphone running the MS Smartphone software, IMHO.
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    Yes the PDA2K is pricey but well worth the money compared to the treo 650, much better all around.
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    In reality, the PPC6600 will be $629 on sprint and it has everything the PDA2k has except wi-fi. Cingular will have the Siemens sx-66 which is the same exact thing as the PDA2k for $600. So the price point of both are similar to the Treo 650

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