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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by midmofan
    And check out the thread somewhere below, where you have all of the Microsoft device types moaning about how they are losing ground to palm.

    Indeed the most recent report is that plam has passed MS OS in smartphones.

    Give it time - 6 months and this will have changed...
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    Not unless they get the price down and make it easier to use for the average joe
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    Dream on... PPC phones will not even come CLOSE to the Palm OS smartphones in 6 months... or a year, or 2 for that matter!
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    If P1 doesn't have an EV-DO phone available in about 6 months, PPC phones will blow right by them. Speed rules, baby.
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    EV-DO needs to be here before P1 needs a phone to use it!!!
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    #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by LewisL77
    Not totally true. With the latest betas of Mapopolis, you can store all your maps on the SD card and the prog will dynamically copy the maps it needs as you travel your route. Of course , it still needs ram to load the current map you are using or driving through, so more ram is always better.
    But there are a lot more programs that require db's loaded in ram like the medical lookup and reference apps, which can be huge.

    I wish they would've added more ram..... I will wait till the next Treo is released or till another Palmsource licensee releases something with more ram.
    Yes, you can put the maps on the SD card, but they will tell you the "Sweet Spot" for decent functionality is 12MB free. That's half of what's available on the 600 and more than half of the announced 650.

    This IS a blunder that will cost PalmOne. Not only have they not offered more memory, but they've stolen back 1MB for ROM. Unbelievably short-sited.
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    would I like 64? yes but 32 is OK. I haven't run into probs yet. I typically only have a few 3rd party that I use anyway, most can be put on SD card w/ songs. I'll be ordering one at the dallas roadshow. my 600 will then go up for sale
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    #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    EV-DO needs to be here before P1 needs a phone to use it!!!
    PPC2k EVDO has already been announced. An Audiovox EV-DO phone has already been announced, fer chryssake. Verizon already offers EV-DO service in a number of cities, but for laptops only. They will be expanding this to phones and PDA's after the first of the year.

    http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/...27mobile2.html
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman6
    PPC2k EVDO has already been announced. An Audiovox EV-DO phone has already been announced, fer chryssake. Verizon already offers EV-DO service in a number of cities, but for laptops only. They will be expanding this to phones and PDA's after the first of the year.

    http://www.nwfusion.com/newsletters/...27mobile2.html
    Well... you told me Iceman6, fer chryssake.

    PPC phones will NOT make up 3-5% market share anytime soon. Bricks that cost $200 (at least) more than a 600 or 650 will not outpace Treo sales... no matter WHAT they have!
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  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by KKenna
    Yes, you can put the maps on the SD card, but they will tell you the "Sweet Spot" for decent functionality is 12MB free. That's half of what's available on the 600 and more than half of the announced 650.

    This IS a blunder that will cost PalmOne. Not only have they not offered more memory, but they've stolen back 1MB for ROM. Unbelievably short-sited.
    I totally agree with you. That's why I wish P1 would've gone for more ram.
    I have resorted to using my old T2 for Mapopolis and my Treo for everything else.
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by LewisL77
    Not totally true. With the latest betas of Mapopolis, you can store all your maps on the SD card and the prog will dynamically copy the maps it needs as you travel your route. Of course , it still needs ram to load the current map you are using or driving through, so more ram is always better.
    But there are a lot more programs that require db's loaded in ram like the medical lookup and reference apps, which can be huge.

    I wish they would've added more ram..... I will wait till the next Treo is released or till another Palmsource licensee releases something with more ram.
    Can you expand on this?

    My fiancee (I don't know how to do the fancy e) is a home appraiser in the Los Angeles Area. I bought her a Treo 600 early this year. I had her try out Mapopolis, but it didn't work for her needs: She needs all three of the area maps, Los Angeles County, Orange County, San Bernadino County. This obviously doesn't fly within the limit of the Treo 600.

    So what you're saying is she can load them all on to, say, a 256MB SD card and Mapopolis will dynamically copy them in/out of memory? So as long as she has a good chunk of free DRAM she'll be alright?

    This is a Very Good Thing(tm), if I am understanding this properly. Are the betas available on the website for trial?

    -jd
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by midmofan
    Not unless they get the price down and make it easier to use for the average joe

    Um, are you missing something? The price IS the same as the 650!!!! When it launches here it will be @ $600, just like the 650...
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  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    Well... you told me Iceman6, fer chryssake.

    PPC phones will NOT make up 3-5% market share anytime soon. Bricks that cost $200 (at least) more than a 600 or 650 will not outpace Treo sales... no matter WHAT they have!
    You skipped your econmics classes, didn't you? Firstly, the SX66 will be @ $600, right around the same price as the 650. Secondly, consumers WILL pay the very small difference to receive so much in return. If you could buy a Mercedes for $500 more than a Kia, you would.

    Keep holding on to the Treo dream. In the coming year, if Palm doesn't get their head out of their a**, they will regret it...
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  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean18
    Give it time - 6 months and this will have changed...
    And? I've been hearing that line since the WinCE devices hit the market in the mid-90s.

    What is important is this: What do you need TODAY?

    You look at all of the features/functions available in devices and choose what works and your requirements won't necessarily match mine. TODAY, I choose a Treo 600. No MS Smartphone can touch it feature for feature on my cellular provider of choice - VZW. A couple of years ago, I chose a Kyocera 7135. A few years before that, I chose a Palm M505 and a dumb phone. Before that a Handspring Prism. Several years before that I chose the HP 200LX.

    In 6 months, if the MS Smartphones meet all of my requirements, I might choose one. It doesn't matter what I used in the past. I'll choose the device that will satisfy the need at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beryl
    What is important is this: What do you need TODAY?

    You look at all of the features/functions available in devices and choose what works and your requirements won't necessarily match mine.
    You are correct, as always, Beryl

    It has been a long long time since I worried about what was coming in the future when deciding on what to get for the present. You just can't win that game.
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  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by doogles
    Can you expand on this?

    My fiancee (I don't know how to do the fancy e) is a home appraiser in the Los Angeles Area. I bought her a Treo 600 early this year. I had her try out Mapopolis, but it didn't work for her needs: She needs all three of the area maps, Los Angeles County, Orange County, San Bernadino County. This obviously doesn't fly within the limit of the Treo 600.

    So what you're saying is she can load them all on to, say, a 256MB SD card and Mapopolis will dynamically copy them in/out of memory? So as long as she has a good chunk of free DRAM she'll be alright?

    This is a Very Good Thing(tm), if I am understanding this properly. Are the betas available on the website for trial?

    -jd
    From what I understand from reading the beta readme, maps are read directly off the memory card. No copying to local memory occurs unless you want to since it's faster. Proof of this is when I load my area up in Mapopolis on a Treo 600. I live in Western NY and have loaded contiguous maps from the Pennsylvania border to the Toronto Canada area - about 200 miles in length total. The 20 maps total about 30MB of memory. When I zoom out to maximum, I can see the entire region of maps I have - all 30MB worth. So it's obviously reading all the maps I have in the card despite the fact that the Treo has only 23MB of total usable memory.
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