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    I own this magnificient gadget ever since it first came out. It is the MOST versatile pda phone out there. It is the BEST designed phone out there for all the features it includes. It is also one of the most CONFIGURABLE phones out there with a zillion software titles and hacks.

    And therein lies the problem for the company IT specialist making the decison to incorporate the Treo amongst its employees.

    The Treo is TOO good for its own good. It is way too susceptible to crashes, resets and glitches that only hardcore users can tolerate and even, to some extent enjoy. It has NOTHING to do with the Treo. Just like a PC it can crash with the wrong software.

    For the above reasons, the Treo will not be able to be a good option for business users who basically want email, phone and pda. It is far too sophisticated for the average person to make full use out of it and risks illegitimate use like camera usage, constant web surfing, tinkering with the features etc.

    Hence the Treo is destined to remain a niche product among the digiratti of the world while the corporations will look harder at adopting something more basic like the Blackberry.

    PS. I absolutely LOVE my Treo.
    I have detailed files.
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    ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treominator
    ...is far too sophisticated for the average person to make full use out of it and risks illegitimate use like camera usage, constant web surfing, tinkering with the features etc.

    Hence the Treo is destined to remain a niche product among the digiratti of the world...
    Uh, yes...just like the PC.
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    For enterprises with your concerns, I would recommend http://www.credant.com/ or http://www.trustdigital.com/ or even CA Unicenter to control what users can and can't do with their Treo. With Goodlink, Extended Systems, Intellisync, NotifyLink,Visto or iAnywhere, the Treo 600 makes a perfect tool for a business user.

    A BB user can also tinker with features and browse the web, they, unfortunately don't have as many business applications to show a real return on investment.

    As for having a cameras (as many new cell phones have), I show them motionapps camera lock out software.

    PalmLover
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    Other than with the betas of Call Filter I am running, I have not had a reset/crash in weeks. Seriously, each recent crash is related to a program under development. The problem with Call Filter seems also to be very isolated - it runs very well most of the time. So for me, stability is not an issue. Ben
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    Works for me and I am no digerati.
    Me = Nokia 5170/Palm III > Kyocera 6035 > Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p > Treo 755p > Treo Pro > Palm Pre

    Wife = Treo 600 > Treo 650 > Treo 755p > Palm Centro > Palm Pixi
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    I won't comment about the attractiveness of the Treo within a business environment however what I can say, and have stated many times before, is that the real opportunity for the Treo awaits palmOne/Source in the consumer market at large.

    People have mentioned price as a limiting factor for wider adoption but again Treo's have been made available for prices as low as $150 with limited (all things considered) results. When you see that people are willing to spend from $250 to $500 for an iPod you begin to wonder at exactly what factors are therefore limiting a wider adoption.

    Among many I still believe that the two main culprits are marketing and software. On the marketing side I don't believe that even a small fraction of the overall benefits of owning a Treo are communicated on a broad basis while on the software side... well... were it not for an amazing community of independent software developers the Treo's appeal would be significantly reduced as Palm's own SW dev efforts leave us, put politely, somewhat underwhelmed.

    Cheers, W.
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    What a flame bait post...

    The Treo is becoming more and the ideal business tool. It is growing in the corporate ranks very quickly. And never underestimate what the "average" user will use...they will learn "complex" devices if they see an advantage.

    The showdown is underway...Treo vs. Blackberry vs. Windows. May the best device win. I have had all 3, and the Treo is in the lead.
  9.    #9  
    The folks with the corporate purse strings and the decision making power most likely do not visit treocentral.com. Even if they adopted the Treo amongst their ranks, those units would probably end up being used a lot less than their capability.
    Most savvy business types can handle the basic palm operations and semi complex operations like Docs to Go etc. However, the little nuggets that make the Treo so wonderful like Callfilter, Profeo, Wassup, Zlauncher etc etc are not meant for everyone.
    They are meant for the elite group of digiratti that stalk the forums at night sinking their teeth at an unsuspecting freeware and clawing at their keyboard to make it a USB Cam or a Remote Control. Every now and then they pause to acknowledge their wives and kids before hawking their furniture for the next wireless headset or the fifteenth case.
    These forgotten souls transform into ordinary individuals during the day, in boardrooms and meetings everywhere trying to hide their condescending laughter at the fellow next to them harping on the benefits of his Zire as they send emails, rock to tunes, snap those hazy pictures and surf the web all with the use of a few stubby fingers.

    Life for the Treo user is a tough one, risking family ties and a tight lipped community guarding its powerful secrets. Their insatiable hunger knows no boundaries of cost, sleep or requirements of sex. It is a life of loneliness yet inner peace.

    It is not a life for everyone.
    I have detailed files.
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    let the ones who wish to see the treo generation fall come.

    let them spew all their ridiculous trash about the inferiority of the treo all they want. apparently they find this makes them feel better about their (giggle) pc phones.

    the cream always rises. the treo is getting better, and is getting more popular each day. faster, more integrated, better equipped, etc.
    the treo is a proven device and is here to stay. its popularity speaks for itself.

    if you want to try shooting it down, go ahead, but it will always be right there in front of you after all the mudslinging is done. its a proven winner, and there's no denying that.
    its only going to get better, much to microsoft fans displeasure. it will be amusing to see how these same folks watch as the market embraces the imminent palmone treo ace. i think crow will be on the menu at that time.
    Last edited by vw2002; 08/23/2004 at 04:39 PM.
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    as I've traveled around lately, I see more & more Treos on the plane, in the airport, etc - exactly the user type that the Treo is targeted at. So what does that tell me? It tells me that the device IS indeed making its way into corporate America, regardless of any IT support issues.
    I agree in concept that a device like the Treo, with its massivle available applications, is potentially open to user-caused problems, but I DON'T think that's any reason the unit will suffer from an IT policy of 'we don't support the Treo'. What you may see is 'we suppprt the basic config - anything other than that & you're on your own', which is fine. Anyone who is interested in the types of apps mentioned in the original post is likely cool with taking things into his/her own hands.
    I say the device will win (or lose) not due to IT policy, but in its inherent features & capabilities. That is where the fortunes of the 600 lie.
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    I think the Treo is the iPod of PDA phones.
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    agreed
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    once the Treo adds Blackberry functionality via Blackberry Connect, then it will be the ultimate business tools. I work for a corporation who has purchased a BES server and deploys Blackberries to employees. Many other folks are in this same boat....
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    Like I said before, I REALLLY use the hell out of my Treo and I have NEVER used a Pocket PC device. The point here is that most of the Treo users currently fund it out of pocket and do not get this wonderful device through their company. Companies want SIMPLICITY AND STABILITY and not FRILLS and they are actually willing to fork out MORE money just to get that peace of mind with lesser overall features.

    "I" am NOT attacking the Treo. "I" have invested a lot of (personal) dollars in it ranging from software to accessories to data plans. "I" plan on keeping on using the Treo line with the ACE etc.
    My company (a Fortune 100 company) on the other hand is looking at those incompetent Blackberries for standard issue for us instead. "I" don't like it. "They" don't care.

    If the Treo is trying to emulate the Blackberry's "reliable" network, then it is obvious that the Blackberry can still hold its own. The increasing numbers of the Blackberry's shipped this quarter is a testament to that.

    The TREO is really good at 7-8 different things, if not more.
    The Blackberry is excellent at 3-4 different things.

    However, those 3-4 things are all that the corporate dept. cares about.
    I have detailed files.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treominator
    Like I said before, I REALLLY use the hell out of my Treo and I have NEVER used a Pocket PC device. The point here is that most of the Treo users currently fund it out of pocket and do not get this wonderful device through their company. Companies want SIMPLICITY AND STABILITY and not FRILLS and they are actually willing to fork out MORE money just to get that peace of mind with lesser overall features.

    "I" am NOT attacking the Treo. "I" have invested a lot of (personal) dollars in it ranging from software to accessories to data plans. "I" plan on keeping on using the Treo line with the ACE etc.
    My company (a Fortune 100 company) on the other hand is looking at those incompetent Blackberries for standard issue for us instead. "I" don't like it. "They" don't care.

    If the Treo is trying to emulate the Blackberry's "reliable" network, then it is obvious that the Blackberry can still hold its own. The increasing numbers of the Blackberry's shipped this quarter is a testament to that.

    The TREO is really good at 7-8 different things, if not more.
    The Blackberry is excellent at 3-4 different things.

    However, those 3-4 things are all that the corporate dept. cares about.
    Our corporate IT dept cares about those 3-4 things *and* about SAVING MONEY. Our Treo+Goodlink service cost half of what we have to pay RIM/BBerry $30 per month vs. $60 per month. On top of this, our Treo users bring in their own phones, so our company saves $300+ when we don't have to issue them devices. Lastly, our Treo users are happier than our BBerry users. Guess which way our company is heading... It's not happening as a corporate decision, rather an organic shift largely through word-of-mouth.
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    and I think this type of organic, user-driven shift will, when combined with the next generation of Treo devices and improvements, be what carries the day for the Treo. Overall cost + functionality, along with user demand will override any legacy issues that IT might have with supporting a device other than Blackberry. And I also think that the fine folks at RIM are seeing this shift in the market, and that's why they're hedging their bets via the Blackberry Connect program. They finally realize that they're not in the device market; they're in the enterprise software market, and are arranging for others to carry the device side, while they stay and improve on the server side.

    It'll be interesting to see the landscape in a year or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treominator
    Like I said before, I REALLLY use the hell out of my Treo and I have NEVER used a Pocket PC device. The point here is that most of the Treo users currently fund it out of pocket and do not get this wonderful device through their company. Companies want SIMPLICITY AND STABILITY and not FRILLS and they are actually willing to fork out MORE money just to get that peace of mind with lesser overall features.

    "I" am NOT attacking the Treo. "I" have invested a lot of (personal) dollars in it ranging from software to accessories to data plans. "I" plan on keeping on using the Treo line with the ACE etc.
    My company (a Fortune 100 company) on the other hand is looking at those incompetent Blackberries for standard issue for us instead. "I" don't like it. "They" don't care.

    If the Treo is trying to emulate the Blackberry's "reliable" network, then it is obvious that the Blackberry can still hold its own. The increasing numbers of the Blackberry's shipped this quarter is a testament to that.

    The TREO is really good at 7-8 different things, if not more.
    The Blackberry is excellent at 3-4 different things.

    However, those 3-4 things are all that the corporate dept. cares about.
    thats true. corporations want employees focusing on business, not on extra capabilities that may be considered recreational... such as mp3 players, cameras, etc. so i agree with you.
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    I feel it boils down to the user. I remember taking William Covey classes for work but never utilized my daily planner. I went from a Palm to Pocket PC and back to the Palm.

    But one thing I do use is my phone. The idea that I don't have two contact list. (Computer & Phone) is the reason why I love my Treo600. But like any gadget geek; I always want to upgrade and look for the latest and greatest device to make my life a little easier and organized (hopefully ACE is not a rumor). When the Treo600 first came out the idea of a lesser resolution for longer battery life seemed great. I never really used my Pocket PC because the battery life was so horrible and never had any issues about with the Pocket PC OS. (Though I would like a better resolution now

    The simplicity of my first PDA (Palm V) was great. I would use my PDA too download directions to my appointments makes notes and updates/edit new clients. Now with my Treo I can chat while making notes, send and answer email on the fly. But do I use the other half dozen programs on my Treo? I can't remember the last time I used Pocket Tunes or even pulled up the calculator. But it is nice to have.


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~Back to the orginal thread~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think it is overkill for the a corporate environment. Why do we lock out employees from installing their own software or restrict admin rights? Maybe the only exceptions is the road warriors out there who need the full capabilities of a Treo600. But I agree with Treominator.

    I love my Treo600 but no way do I get one for the "average employee". Unless they can type faster than I can write in Grafitti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossoneri
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    rossoneri ~

    Please restore your prior avatar

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    I get such a kick out of the dialog on this forum

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