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  1. djraw's Avatar
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    I just got a 1GB SD card for my Treo, but it says that I have only 968.3 MB free of 968.3. That's 55.7MB of space that's gone. Where did it go? My Treo says that only 48KB of the card is used. That's some diffrent kind of math I'm not used to. I know that in Windows it reads hard drive space diffrently than the hard drive makers so you lose some space there, is this similar to what the treo's doing? 55 Megs is a lot to me. Anyone here knows what's up with this?
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    Cash I noticed in each of those threads you linked to another thread. That is a riot, couldnt you just help them out and send them to the first thread the information is in?
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    the 1GB, just like the GB numbers quoted on Hard Drives are what is referred to as a "Marketing" figure.

    It's that whole thing about how many bytes are in a kilobyte and how many kilobytes are in a megabyte, etc. etc....the math is sometimes lost on marketing folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ls3mach
    Cash I noticed in each of those threads you linked to another thread. That is a riot, couldnt you just help them out and send them to the first thread the information is in?
    LOL...I did help. I could have said "try using the search feature"...don't you think?
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    They're saying 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes = 976562KB = 953.67MB.

    In reality u actually have 15MB more than their claimed "1GB"
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    And why is it that a KB is 1024 bytes and not 1000 as the word kilo implies?
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    Why is Grass Green?
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    Hey there's Blue Grass from good ole' KY. JK only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CmdrGuard
    And why is it that a KB is 1024 bytes and not 1000 as the word kilo implies?
    Because computers don't use base 10 like the rest of us. Computers only know on and off. And that means, they have to use base 2. 2^10=1024.
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    Actually, 1 gigabyte = 1000 megabytes = 1000000 kilobytes.

    The metric system works specifically on multiples of power, and as I and others have carefully explained for years, 1024 bytes =! 1 kilobyte. 1000 bytes = 1 kilobyte.

    What you want is gibibytes and mibibytes. See here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibi

    for more detailed information.
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    because of the chlorophyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbarnett
    ..What you want is gibibytes and mibibytes...
    Interesting... These terms I haven't seen because I graduated before they were introduced in 1999.
    It's all just marketing gimicks how they define a kilo anyway.
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    No, how a kilo is defined is ^3. It's not a marketing gimick at all. It's a measurement standard.

    I graduated in 1989. Morons ran around trying to explain how a kilobyte was really 1024 back then too. These same people grew up on the imperial system, and they didn't understand that ^3 is the ^3, and that's that. There are not 324234 meters in a kilometer, and there are not 1024 bytes in a kilobyte. That's the whole _point_ of the metric system, and because of this anything prepended with "kilo" means "^3".

    Whatever someone's reasons are, looking at the sky and calling it "orange" when it's blue is senseless. Orange means orange.. not blue. Kilo means ^3.

    Using gibi and mibi bytes makes sense, because these do not represent ^3 and ^6. Gibi and Mibi represent
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    The terms gigi and mibi might be make sence to some of us who are questioning why we can't format our sd cards or harddrives to their full advertised size. But to the marketing person, all he cares about is whether or not the customer understands what is for sale. Most customers do not understand what the terms gigi and mibi mean. They have a hard enough time understanding what mega and giga mean.

    Using the term kilo is a gimic to help more customers understand what is for sale. Because they are not selling 10^3 bites of storage, they are selling 2^10th bytes of storage.
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    Lets get some base numbers down here....
    1 byte = 8 bits
    1 kilobyte = 1,024 bytes (while kilo in metric means 1000)
    1 megabyte = 1,048,576 bytes (while mega in metic is 1000000)
    1 gigabyte = 1,073,741,824 bytes (while giga in metric is 1000000000)

    now then keep in mind thats unformatted capacity
    ok add to this as previously stated an SD card is FAT12 vc a MMC which is FAT16 (wont get into the file directory structures here)

    the FAT (File Allocation table) just like on Harddrives takes up space from the total capacity as well as the Directory structure (filenames and the long filenames, again wont go into detail here) just alot of overheard the bigger in size you get per storage medium... so 55mb "loss" is normal on a 1gb card can be reproduced on a 1gb drive (yes i have one laying around)

    In summary the larger the total drive capacity the more will be taken away for the FAT and Directory structures... very much like a table of contents and index take a considerable amount of space relative to a book...

    Hope this helps
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    Last edited by orph524824; 09/07/2004 at 11:00 PM. Reason: mispelling
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronbo2000
    Hey there's Blue Grass from good ole' KY. JK only.
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    Thanks everyone for the info. Orph524824 had the best explanation.
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