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  1.    #121  
    If we're talking about a brick stuck to the bottom of the phone then I am not interested. I am using the Jabra Bluetooth headset with the adapter already.

    On the other hand a hardware solution like what the memory upgrade guy does would be potentially acceptable. Most people (including me) aren't going to want to have their phone dissected.

    Anyway, the most attractive solution would be what we've started with which is drivers for an off-the-shelf Bluetooth SD card. It's not perfect, but it's better than what we have.


    Quote Originally Posted by dbmgreen
    I think the concept of a bluetooth adaptor on the bottom of the 600 has some merit. I envisage something that attaches like the iTrip from griffin technology. It would leave the SD slot free for memory, and you don't need bluetooth all the time, so no continuous battery drain. It also as stated above solves all the problems of connectivity, that arise with the SD bluetooth card on the Treo. Just my 2 worth.
  2.    #122  
    Been thinking again (Dangerous, I know). So far we have the interests of individual users and others who just want to see the drivers exist. How do we get the attention ($$$$) of commercial concerns?

    What language could be added that would give businesses an obvious return-on-investment? Consider websites that sell software. How's something like this sound For every X dollars you add to the bounty you will receive Y number of free licenses to resell at your profit Something that will give them a motive to invest without watering down the benefit for the actual developers.

    Also, have the manufacturers who would benefit from this been made aware? Those who manufacture Bluetooth products like SD cards, wireless headsets, etc. Any company that has this as a large $$$$ amount of business should be interested. There will be a new market for them. "There are X number of Treo 600 owners and studies say Y percent will be interested in our product when a driver emerges." They should fairly easily be able to figure out the potential for them if this succeeds. Don't discount the buzz for stock value. Jabra could point to this and tell their stockholders "See, consumers are demanding our Bluetooth products".

    This will benefit more that the Treo 600 users. I came across some sentiments from Tungsten C users who are equally frustrated with the lack of a driver for a Bluetooth SD card. I'd think that once you get one for the Treo 600 worked out that going the next step for the Tungsten C, Tungsten E and the Zire 31 and similar devices wouldn't be too hard.

    I believe it was mentioned that the drivers would have to be specific to the SD card. (This needs to be confirmed, I don't know) Toshiba might not like being potentially left out. Them might be motivated to donate SD cards to developers to ensure that things go their way. Perhaps there are other reasons manufactures might donate items to the developers to assist.

    Thoughts?
  3. #123  
    I don't know if someone already suggested this.

    Can't we just post a project on http://www.GetAFreelancer.com ?
    Developing a driver would cost a maximum of 500 dollar?
  4. #124  
    They're still complaining about no synch available even though the device has been out for 2+ years, how T-Mobile/Danger removed some grandfathered games via Over the Air *Update and that Danger OS is locked down/proprietary and is only open to developers to install software.

    There have been rumors that T-Mobile has awareness of SideKick users demand for synching capability, but T-Mobile doesn't think synching fits into their current business model and that they just want the higher-end (PocketPC, Blackberry) to have synching.

    I highly doubt I'd get the newest SideKick when it does come out. I still have Sidekick #6 in my drawer and will activate it when I feel my daughter is ready for the responsibility of having a cell phone or when she gets her first job, etc. A lot of the Old Cranks Club members are gone as they were tiresome of the "Holla/I wanna git with you" type posts and reliability issues with the SideKick, or either they started their own newsboards.

    Quote Originally Posted by phatthai
    BustAGroove... how's hiptop.com doing? have not been there for a while now that I have a Treo. Only number 6? a friend of mine is on her 13th hehe... are you going to get the new sidekick?
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  5. #125  
    Just wondering if there are any actual designers working on this.

    sam.

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  6. #126  
    I own 2 bluetooth handhelds, a Palm Zire 72 and an Ipaq 4155. I connect via my Sony Ericsson T610 phone on T-Mobiles VPN GPRS Network. I have the unlimited data plan for $19.99 a month. Connection speeds are very fast on my Zire 72. Much faster than dial up. On my Ipaq 4155, connection speeds are slower than dial up. I attribute this partly to the Pocket Internet Explorer Browser being inferior to the Palm Web Pro Browser. The OS also has something to do with it. I use the Logitech Wireless Bluetooth headset, which I consider to be much clearer and possess much greater signal strength than the Jabra 250.

    I owned a Treo 300 for 18 months and was for the most part unimpressed with connection speeds and, of course, the battery life.

    Wifi/Bluetooth is definitely the way to go if you live in a metropolitan area. Sprint/Verizon is behind the curve with their proprietary technology which refuses to embrace Bluetooth. Surfing via Wifi is great but is very taxing on battery life. Bluetooth is slower but not very taxing on battery life.

    I still own a Sprint phone, the Sanyo 6400, basically because their reliable in NYC for voice. But I'm finished with Sprint on the data side until they really embrace Bluetooth.
  7. #127  
    Quote Originally Posted by samm27
    Just wondering if there are any actual designers working on this.

    sam.

    http://www.younevercall.com
    i hope im interpreting this correctly, but is this packet 8 involving broadband connection speeds on the blackberry, sidekick and treo 600 at some point?

    that would be great but would the treo 600 have the hardware to support broadband speeds?

    i would also fork over a healthy bounty for this particular feature... and at that point, who would need wifi?

    possible to get broadband connection on treo 600 or is it impossible ?
  8. #128  
    answer to my above question - NO.

    moving on... the bounty is reaching an attractive number. i would think it is beginning to look very appealing. we may be 2 - 3 weeks away from the $5000 mark.
  9. #129  
    Does anyone recall the battery sleeve for the IPAQ? Or the sleeve for the IPAQ that had CF/PCMCIA capabilities? Why can not someone develop a sleeve for the Treo 600 that looks like wha Vaja Cases sells but instead of it being leather and so thin maybe a bit thincker AND working into the design the bluetooth sending unit that can be powered by the Treo through the port on the bottom of the case. This eliminates the mini-brick problem and would serve as a protective case for the treo while not unreasonably causing it to be bigger.

    Just my ramblings...
    Glen
  10. #130  
    Gharrod,
    They could...it would probably be pretty expensive to make, but certainly possible...that is if there is available power at the sync port.
  11. #131  
    Quote Originally Posted by gharrod
    Does anyone recall the battery sleeve for the IPAQ? Or the sleeve for the IPAQ that had CF/PCMCIA capabilities? Why can not someone develop a sleeve for the Treo 600 that looks like wha Vaja Cases sells but instead of it being leather and so thin maybe a bit thincker AND working into the design the bluetooth sending unit that can be powered by the Treo through the port on the bottom of the case. This eliminates the mini-brick problem and would serve as a protective case for the treo while not unreasonably causing it to be bigger.

    Just my ramblings...
    Glen

    That's a GREAT idea!!! In fact, just to take it a step further... Why can't some one integrate BT funtionality into the Treo600 external battery!! The IMO, would be the perfect compromise b/c it would double the functionality of the external battery and at the same time not occupy the SD card so you can keep your data as well!! It also would allow you to use BT longer as well. Take this further and you could add wifi, addtional SD slots, CF whatever. Basically, the external battery already provides a sleeve-like platform for the Treo600 and it would be awesome if developers could mod it to add additional features...

    Any thoughts?
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  12. #132  
    G, that is a W-O-N-D-E-R-F-U-L idea. Developers....can you hear her now?
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  13. #133  
    agreed. gharrod I believe you have a flash of brilliance there! bravo!
    I also like the idea of integrating bluetooth into the extended battery. great ideas!
  14. #134  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    agreed. gharrod I believe you have a flash of brilliance there! bravo!
    I also like the idea of integrating bluetooth into the extended battery. great ideas!

    I like this idea generally. Actually it is probably even better solution, cause it leaves SD slot available for some other usage ( keep GPS maps, for example )

    Unfortunatly, there is downside to this idea. Driver(s) for SDIO is all it is - drivers, can be done ( theoretecally ) in one's house. Any decent add-on solution assume availability of manufacturing process, and that means somewhat big company..... like PalmOne.... or TDK that has bunch of solutions like this, but not for Treo....
    http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=TDKBLUE501
  15. #135  
    Battery idea is interesting.
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    #136  
    See our other thread over here: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=52540. I am working on an external BT adapter right now that would fit in the external housing (maybe a modified external battery, but it needs to connect with the audio jack too) and mate with the Treo through the connector. Right now the plans are to make it a project kit so others can do the same - Crashless and I are communicating with Scott, the guy who did the BT hardware mod for his Samsung SPH i500 Palmphone, and I'm hoping to do something similar (though hopefully substantially simpler - no modification of the phone itself).

    If there's enough interest, and I can get this to work, we could sell kits with all the necessary components - it will be built around a roughly 50 dollar bluetooth board.

    I realize this technically won't qualify for the bounty if we get it working - since it will just run the audio from the BT board into the audio jack and the data will run from the serial line, so it should sync using existing serial sync capability (using a bluetooth serial port driver on the PC end).

    Despite peoples claims to the contrary, this solution is somewhat simpler than trying to implement drivers for a completely undocumented set of APIs for a completely undocumented piece of hardware. And this approach will almost certainly work in its entirety, whereas there's good reason to believe there's no way to get the SDIO BT card to EVER support headset profile (I don't know this for sure, but I've heard several people claim there aren't any lines for SCO/audio data from the BT card). I'm an experienced Palm programmer, and I still think it's too hard to write the SDIO drivers. It doesn't help that I've read the Treo 600 dev guide, the PalmSource BT API docs, and whatever meager info PalmOne will give out with it's developer program and can find basically no documentation to help with the process - if anybody out there has actually started looking and found any useful documentation whatsoever, I'd love to see it.

    Anyway, I'm ordering parts for testing over the next day or two and waiting for some answers to a few questions from Scott, so hopefully in a week or two I'll have a better idea of how well this approach will work.
  17. #137  
    I realize this technically won't qualify for the bounty if we get it working - since it will just run the audio from the BT board into the audio jack and the data will run from the serial line, so it should sync using existing serial sync capability (using a bluetooth serial port driver on the PC end).
    Well, speaking as a bounty contributer and someone fairly desperate for BT support in any form, I would gladly include a professional, robust external BT adapter as qualifying for the bounty in some form. All I want is BT sync and headset support, and I'm beginning to believe that it is just not possible to do via the inbuilt SDIO slot.

    If there's a way to support a BT headset and sync without having something dangling off the Treo on a wire, then I'm willing to contribute to its development. As I said, I'd be happy for our current bounty to be extended to fund the development of such a thing.

    What does everyone else think, given the apparent difficulty (impossibility?) of getting SDIO headset/sync support?
  18.    #138  
    I haven't seen anything that convinces me absolutely that it can't be done. It hasn't been even a week yet. I'd prefer to stick with the attempt at the SD card driver. If nothing happens once the bounty deadline passes then let's look at other solutions.


    Quote Originally Posted by mowog
    Well, speaking as a bounty contributer and someone fairly desperate for BT support in any form, I would gladly include a professional, robust external BT adapter as qualifying for the bounty in some form. All I want is BT sync and headset support, and I'm beginning to believe that it is just not possible to do via the inbuilt SDIO slot.

    If there's a way to support a BT headset and sync without having something dangling off the Treo on a wire, then I'm willing to contribute to its development. As I said, I'd be happy for our current bounty to be extended to fund the development of such a thing.

    What does everyone else think, given the apparent difficulty (impossibility?) of getting SDIO headset/sync support?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mowog
    Well, speaking as a bounty contributer and someone fairly desperate for BT support in any form, I would gladly include a professional, robust external BT adapter as qualifying for the bounty in some form. All I want is BT sync and headset support, and I'm beginning to believe that it is just not possible to do via the inbuilt SDIO slot.

    If there's a way to support a BT headset and sync without having something dangling off the Treo on a wire, then I'm willing to contribute to its development. As I said, I'd be happy for our current bounty to be extended to fund the development of such a thing.

    What does everyone else think, given the apparent difficulty (impossibility?) of getting SDIO headset/sync support?
    Once we get it working, I don't see why we couldn't connect with someone who makes this kind of stuff. I suppose we could talk with Treocentral and anyone with a limited run fabrication plant.

    Problem is, it's going to be expensive. The manufature direct price for the BT module is $50+. Count limited quantities of the external battery case, connectors, wireing, machining, I'd guess the product would retail for about $200 or more.

    Please take this figure as the poorly educated guess that it is. I know nothing of peripheral manufaturing. (or spelling, where's the spell check on this thing?)
  20. #140  
    Quote Originally Posted by Crashless
    Once we get it working, I don't see why we couldn't connect with someone who makes this kind of stuff. I suppose we could talk with Treocentral and anyone with a limited run fabrication plant.

    Problem is, it's going to be expensive. The manufature direct price for the BT module is $50+. Count limited quantities of the external battery case, connectors, wireing, machining, I'd guess the product would retail for about $200 or more.
    Well, bluetooth card cost, what, over $100?
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