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  1.    #1  
    Just wondering. I was considering somehow rendering the T600 camera unusable / hidden / covered as I rarely use it anyways and…
    I know it might sound stupid but there are a few scenarios I’m afraid of, some corporations (GE for example) and/or government sites do not allow cameras in. So they check/ask and you are required to deposit all camera enabled devices until you leave. Quite a bummer, especially since you “loose” both phone and PDA functionality until your visit is over.

    So anyways, there’s a commercial app out there that will disable the camera functionality (software only) for a specific period of time, but I’m quite sure it will not pass security specs as a hard reset removes the restriction. That’s why I was considering rendering it unusable (remove/cover).

    Had anyone done something similar already? Did you consider and/or have ideas?

    Thanks!
    Ix.
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    I doubt anyone who doesn't know the Treo 600 will notice the small camera in the back.
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    I tend to agree, but then again you can hide a real camera in your handbag and never report it, and as long as you don't use it what's the harm right?
    The thing is that it's mostly a matter of trust, and if you are a vendor/visitor the last thing you want is to break that trust.

    One idea I had was to get my eGrips (and/or other gray sticky thing) and pull it all the way over the camera... but it's kind of lame.

    Any other ideas?
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    remove the camera, or lens, or sandpaper the lens, smash it, etc....
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    No modifications to a camera-enabled anything would/should get past any Security Department anywhere. Don't bother.

    For those considering SNEAKING a camera past a guard into an installation - YIKES!

    In a Gummamint one, especially with the hysteria nowadays, you would be risking MINIMALLY an a-MAZING hassle AND criminal proceedings!

    And in a corporate environment you are risking MINIMALLY being removed and NEVER being allowed in again.

    Not a really great idea, IMHO.

    Turn the damn thing off, sign it in, retrieve when you leave.

    Live with it.
    Last edited by SeldomVisitor; 02/25/2004 at 06:28 AM.
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    I would go with the E-grips cover up. The Treo is too valuable a tool and investment to be left at the security desk.
    "Everyday is a Gift, A Blessing, An Opportunity!" - GM

    Phone history: Treo 600, Treo 650, Treo Centro, Pixi, Centro again, 800w, Treo 755p, Palm Pre
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    > ...[I would sneak it in]...

    Then you apparently have no real world experience with how a secure installation works - and what hardnoses real security guys can (and should) be.
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    I'd just be truthful... say that your phone has a P.O.S. camera on it. If they ask you to define P.O.S. or say thet "NO cameras are allowed", you should just take a quick snapshot and show them what a joke the camera feature really is. I actually followed thsi procedure once and the guards let me through wihout a hassle.
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    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor
    > ...[I would sneak it in]...

    Then you apparently have no real world experience with how a secure installation works - and what hardnoses real security guys can (and should) be.
    LOL, I used to work for the airline industry and traveled extensively for 7 years so I may know just a little.

    Bottom line; security or not, folks are gonna do (or try and do) what they are gonna do.

    P.S. The last time I went out of the country (after 911 and the installation of Homeland Security) I forgot I had my Mace on my keychain. Didn't realize it until I was back in Baltimore exiting the terminal. I went to airport security and followed up with the toll free number to report the breach. So go figure.
    "Everyday is a Gift, A Blessing, An Opportunity!" - GM

    Phone history: Treo 600, Treo 650, Treo Centro, Pixi, Centro again, 800w, Treo 755p, Palm Pre
  10. #10  
    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor
    No modifications to a camera-enabled anything would/should get past any Security Department anywhere. Don't bother.

    For those considering SNEAKING a camera past a guard into an installation - YIKES!

    In a Gummamint one, especially with the hysteria nowadays, you would be risking MINIMALLY an a-MAZING hassle AND criminal proceedings!

    And in a corporate environment you are risking MINIMALLY being removed and NEVER being allowed in again.

    Not a really great idea, IMHO.

    Turn the damn thing off, sign it in, retrieve when you leave.

    Live with it.
    NO! That's the risk some of us are going to have to take! I would love to tow the line and adhere to corporate policies and non-disclosures and all that. Most of us try to. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Much as companies try to enforce different policies, people are going to do what they have to. I mean, you don't want me using the company phone for personal use. So when I get up and go to the lounge and whip out MY cell phone which just happens to have the LATEST technology including a camera, security goons are going to jump out behind the vending machine and wrestle me to the ground and take it from me? Better yet...the boss calls me into the office and hands me a pink slip because I didn't use the company phone for the emergency call home but instead used my camera-enabled cell? Give me a freakin' break! These companies use cameras to watch you pick your nose and scratch your behind...don't you know that?

    I'm not mad. I don't normally advocate blatant disregard to corporate policies. But I got a Treo 600 which happens to be a damn good phone with a lousy camera. I'll be DAMNED if I'm giving up my IMPORTANT and NECESSARY phone just to please some boardroom paranoia. F that!! Now that's MY HO!
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    Agreeing with security policy and acknowleging it are two very different things.

    At essentially all the clients at which I've worked the security policy has been "Violate security and you're out" and The Boss LITERALLY has nothing to say about it (as a proper security policy should be) (*).

    Do I agree with "No cameras allowed"?

    Not necessarily.

    But if that's the policy then that's the policy. Taking a stand against the policy will simply get one removed permanently from the premises.

    One can thus feel good that one has taken a stand against the policy as one sits/stands outside the secure installation.

    Seems kinda counterproductive to me, though.

    ===

    (*) At the last client I was at The Boss was asked to fill out a form discussing a person's responsibilities, etc. When that person was terminated (for whatever reason - fired, contract ending, layoff, quit, anything) the Security Department independently decided how that person should leave - MANY times that decision involved TWO security guards coming to the employee's/contractor's location, disconnecting their workstation, and standing there while the person packed - to be immediately escorted off the grounds. The Boss had no say in this behavior and it did NOT matter what type of personality that person had. And "two weeks' notice" very much was NOT given - the person learned of the procedure at the time the procedure began.

    Ya wanna take a camera into an installation when Security says "Uh uh"? Go for it! But, as with any "civil disobedience", expect the almost certain consequences with a smile!
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    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor

    One can thus feel good that one has taken a stand against the policy as one sits/stands outside the secure installation.

    Seems kinda counterproductive to me, though.

    ===

    (*) At the last client I was at The Boss was asked to fill out a form discussing a person's responsibilities, etc. When that person was terminated (for whatever reason - fired, contract ending, layoff, quit, anything) the Security Department independently decided how that person should leave - MANY times that decision involved TWO security guards coming to the employee's/contractor's location, disconnecting their workstation, and standing there while the person packed - to be immediately escorted off the grounds. The Boss had no say in this behavior and it did NOT matter what type of personality that person had. And "two weeks' notice" very much was NOT given - the person learned of the procedure at the time the procedure began.

    Ya wanna take a camera into an installation when Security says "Uh uh"? Go for it! But, as with any "civil disobedience", expect the almost certain consequences with a smile!
    You're damned right I'll feel good about it. Like I said, those policies are in place for the company's best interests but the line has to be drawn somewhere. That's like the company saying "we serve steak in the cafeteria but due to mass hysteria and oh yeah, our interests, the use of knives and forks is expressly prohibited. Failure to comply may mean termination." So what? It's sandwich time now? Better yet just chow it down using my bare hands...never thought of that.

    This is not an issue where someone is using a phone while driving. This is not an issue where someone is using a phone on a mid-air flight screwing up the pilot's instrumentation. There has got to be some trust/honor system going here, folks. Or just turn in your camera-enabled cells for a freaking Star-tac! I won't have to "expect the almost certain consequences with a smile"...I'm just so not there!
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    Originally posted by ixtab
    Just wondering. I was considering somehow rendering the T600 camera unusable / hidden / covered as I rarely use it anyways and…
    I know it might sound stupid but there are a few scenarios I’m afraid of, some corporations (GE for example) and/or government sites do not allow cameras in. So they check/ask and you are required to deposit all camera enabled devices until you leave. Quite a bummer, especially since you “loose” both phone and PDA functionality until your visit is over.

    So anyways, there’s a commercial app out there that will disable the camera functionality (software only) for a specific period of time, but I’m quite sure it will not pass security specs as a hard reset removes the restriction. That’s why I was considering rendering it unusable (remove/cover).

    Had anyone done something similar already? Did you consider and/or have ideas?

    Thanks!
    Ix.
    Sorry Ix...you opened a can here.
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    Have to agree with SeldomVisiter on this one, have had ocassion to take firearms into a couple of places where I did not have sufficient clearance to carry(unhappy to turn weapon over completely)although I was an Internal vistor. Most places have settled for me "clearing" on entrance, submitting to search and then handing ammunition back to me when I left. It is far harder to analyse a PDA.
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    I can understand that, Tyrant...I really can.

    The issue I have is that on these new-souped up phones the camera is often the afterthought anyway...the primary purchase is for a phone. So I bought a phone that HAPPENS to have a camera included and now in a controlled installation because of that 'extra' I can't use the phone for what I bought it for in the first place. That's hard to swallow. I can see standalone digi-cams being banned....their sole purpose is to take pictures. A phone with an add-on feature like a camera? I don't know, man.
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    Don't forget that many places that won't allow camers also frown upon phones or pda's. Best to leave it in the car or at the front desk. Sneaking it in is NEVER a viable option.
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    Charles
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    If it's a corporation, it depends on why you're going in. If you're a vendor, do you really want to risk a business relationship with a security minded person saying, "hey, that phone has a camera on it!". I can't think of a good way to answer that ("Yeah, I snuck it past your crack security.").

    If it's a gov't installation, I would go in wearing sweats with no pockets, and I'll hold my car keys. Gov't agencies have really short tolerances for two things: Security, and looking stupid. Sneaking a device past security does both.

    Remember that thanks to the Patriot Act, we now have laws that where you can be detained for suspicion, and can be tried by a secret court. I love my Treo 600, but I would leave it at the desk.

    Thanks,
    c
  18.    #18  
    Pretty glad to see such an active discussion. My original post was kind of a practical one (how-to kind) but it's always great to read interesting opinions.

    As a vendor representative I will never sneak anything that is not allowed (not there to risk my employer...) Soo...

    Getting back to practical, as the camera is relatively cr^99y anyways and since my mobog did not really make me happy the remove procedure took place 3 hours ago.
    It was a complicated operation but I'm happy to anounce that the patient survived and looks wonderful.
    I am now a happy owner of a Camera-less Treo 600, no going back now (but I don't think I'll regret it)

    Waiting for the chrome paint to dry and then I promise to post some photos...
  19. #19  
    Originally posted by ixtab

    ... snip ...

    the remove procedure took place 3 hours ago.
    It was a complicated operation but I'm happy to anounce that the patient survived and looks wonderful.
    I am now a happy owner of a Camera-less Treo 600, no going back now (but I don't think I'll regret it)

    Waiting for the chrome paint to dry and then I promise to post some photos...
    I'll be interested to see the results and hear about the procedure.
  20. #20  
    A lot of people think the T600 is a blackberry, which helps. Offices are probably used to seeing a lot of things with keyboards pass through - you're probably more likely to get stopped with a Sony T610 than you are a Treo. Anyways, I work for the government, and I've never once been asked about the camera. I also tend to keep the phone in its case when it goes through Xray and whenever I'm not using it, which probably helps. Once my T600 started ringing as it went through the X-ray and the security guard actually handed it to me ("You've got a call..."). Really, as long as you aren't walking around snapping pictures of this and that, I think you're fine.

    S
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