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    anybody have any clue what the hell the hold up is? in a holiday season where retail purchases are up, it makes no sense to hold out a product that there is demand for by thousands of people. i will wait no longer, i'm buying a different product. really wanted the T600, but sick of waiting and tims is running out for Christmas orders!

    gotta give them an F on this tmobile deal!
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    Post #6 in this thread is certainly one plausible reason given T-Mobile's previous horrendous experience with the TREO 270:

    -- http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...threadid=44114

    However, please note that the previous horrendous experience with the TREO 270 could easily be the whole reason.
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    I have not be paying attention lately (I'm a satisfied CDMA user), but this is what T-Mobile told my company yesterday:

    Hi Treo fans,

    Just want to provide you all with an update.

    T-Mobile has tested the Treo 600 and found the current software version to be buggy (causing lock-ups and other problems). As such we have asked PalmOne to update the software, then resubmit for testing. This has resulted in a delay. We hope to have the Treo 600 this month, but it is possible that it will be pushed to January.

    While we would completely understand if you were to purchase one from another carrier, we would appreciate if you'd wait for T-Mobile's version. Here are a few reasons why you might wait:

    * T-Mobile's Treo will have the latest updated software that addresses the bugs.
    * T-Mobile's Treo will work on the largest GSM/GPRS network in the country
    * Unlimited data service is only $19.99/month, when added to voice service
    * T-Mobile's international roaming rates are the most competitive, starting at 99 cents per minute
    * The GSM/GPRS version of the Treo 600 offers 50% more battery life than the CDMA version

    I will keep you posted on further developments. Thank you for your patience.

    Best regards,

    [NAME WITHHELD TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT]
    National Account Manager
    (XXX) XXX-XXX mobile phone
    XXX.XXX@t-mobile.com
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    I wonder what Orange, Cingular, and AT&T have to say about what T-Mobile says.
  5. #5  
    Originally posted by SeldomVisitor
    I wonder what Orange, Cingular, and AT&T have to say about what T-Mobile says.
    I have the Sprint 600. Judging from what I read on these boards, people using Cingular's 600 on T-Mo's network have a bug free phone AND can get free internet without a T-Mo data plan. That's a good reason not to wait for the T-Mo 600.
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    ...but will T-Mobile's version be unlocked....should be tit for tat since Cingular's version is unlocked and T-Mobile has roaming agreement with them. I'm going to keep my eyes on this one. Hope something develops by end of this month.
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    It seems reasonbable to believe the T-MO story. As disappointed as I am to have to wait, I would be more angry if I got a phone that did not work properly.

    While the bad publicity from the delay is large, it could be crippling if this product were introduced on T-MO and it failed repeatedly.

    Better to wait, get it right, and release it in working order.
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    Originally posted by jimbob2314
    anybody have any clue what the hell the hold up is? in a holiday season where retail purchases are up, it makes no sense to hold out a product that there is demand for by thousands of people. i will wait no longer, i'm buying a different product. really wanted the T600, but sick of waiting and tims is running out for Christmas orders!

    gotta give them an F on this tmobile deal!
    Why are you so hung up on T-Mobile? If you merely don't want to wait, you coudl have a Treo 600 from any other carrier. Especially Cingular since it's unlocked.... you could just use it with your T-Mo service if you'd like.
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    I'm more inclide to believe seldom's reason (270 inventory) than buggy software. Unless, they are trying to do something that we don't know about or they can't bill correctly (like ppl using wap when they shouldn't).

    BTW, I got an email from palmone yesterday that the 270 is now $99 with contract. Great buy.
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    There's no question in my mind that the there are network issues with unlocked T600's and TMO. Not everyone is experiencing them, but I have heard (and experienced) enough to know there's something wrong in the firmware.

    Marc
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    Originally posted by Felipe
    I'm more inclide to believe seldom's reason (270 inventory) than buggy software. Unless, they are trying to do something that we don't know about or they can't bill correctly (like ppl using wap when they shouldn't).

    BTW, I got an email from palmone yesterday that the 270 is now $99 with contract. Great buy.
    Are you suggesting that T-mo's reason for the 600's delay is because they want to sell off their 270 inventory first? That is pretty stupid on T-Mo's part if true. How many unsold 270's do they have?
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    Lest that particular belief get foisted upon ME, please note that I do NOT think T-Mobile would wait til their TREO 270 inventory is sold out prior to selling the TREO 600.

    I simply believe that T-Mobile isn't going to sell the TREO 600 BECAUSE of the TREO 270 experience!

    Or, minimally, isn't in any rush at all due to that experience and are more than willing to wait til palmOne gets it right before commiting - where "commiting", based on other threads, isn't very much of a commitment anyway (selling TREO 600s isn't the same as buying, then selling, TREO 600s - and that's the best evidence we have to date of what they're ultimately going to do).
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    I'm a long standing user of Treos on T-Mobile service. I bought one of the Cingular T600s when they came out in Nov. I have been very happily using my T600 on T-Mobile ever since, with the unlimited data plan. My phone has never "locked up." Not once. Even though my 270 used to all the time.

    The only hint of a problem I've seen, and I'm not sure if it's even a problem, is that on rare occasions I will be sitting in one location using the phone and signal strength drops from full to nothing momentarily and then comes back. This has happened to me maybe 2-3 times in hundreds of calls. Even if this is a firmware related problem with the phone, it is so much better than my prior Treo experience.

    The other big plus is that the data service is faster and much more reliable than with the older phones. Previously, my "always-on" data connection would get dropped or become "stale" so that I would have to manually disconnect and reconnect. This happened about 2 out of every 3 times I tried to use data. This has not been a problem with the T600. Also, data connection and downloads are significantly faster than before.

    I can't imagine what kind of problem T-Mobile is talking about with the T600.
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    Originally posted by jennyfur

    Why are you so hung up on T-Mobile? If you merely don't want to wait, you coudl have a Treo 600 from any other carrier. Especially Cingular since it's unlocked.... you could just use it with your T-Mo service if you'd like.
    Uh, not quite true, jennyfur. I am one of those unlocked Cingular Treo 600/T-Mobile users and I have to say that the software incompatibility story sounds likely. My issue is my GPRS connection lasts for 30 secs. @ most then drops! Using standard T-Mobile Internet connection settings or creating a profile supplied by T-Mobile the result is the same. Makes me question my move to replace my perfectly working SE P800 with my not-so-happy Treo 600.
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    Originally posted by mblank
    There's no question in my mind that the there are network issues with unlocked T600's and TMO. Not everyone is experiencing them, but I have heard (and experienced) enough to know there's something wrong in the firmware.

    Marc
    I am inclined to agree, Marc. I'm one of the victims!
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    Like many of the Tmobile users now enjoying the unlocked Cingular Treo's, mine is working flawlessly with full GPRS access at $4.99/month (via T-zones!).
    I'm glad I didnt hold out waiting for the Tmo-launch. Don't forgot if CDMA is an option for you, Amazon is still selling them for $250!
    Ed
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    Originally posted by rfg17
    I'm a long standing user of Treos on T-Mobile service. I bought one of the Cingular T600s when they came out in Nov. I have been very happily using my T600 on T-Mobile ever since, with the unlimited data plan. My phone has never "locked up." Not once. Even though my 270 used to all the time.

    The only hint of a problem I've seen, and I'm not sure if it's even a problem, is that on rare occasions I will be sitting in one location using the phone and signal strength drops from full to nothing momentarily and then comes back. This has happened to me maybe 2-3 times in hundreds of calls. Even if this is a firmware related problem with the phone, it is so much better than my prior Treo experience.

    The other big plus is that the data service is faster and much more reliable than with the older phones. Previously, my "always-on" data connection would get dropped or become "stale" so that I would have to manually disconnect and reconnect. This happened about 2 out of every 3 times I tried to use data. This has not been a problem with the T600. Also, data connection and downloads are significantly faster than before.

    I can't imagine what kind of problem T-Mobile is talking about with the T600.
    rfg17,

    You are blessed! My T-Mo SIM works perfectly in my SE P800 but is buggy in my Cingular Treo. However do you do it?!
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    Originally posted by edkalama
    Like many of the Tmobile users now enjoying the unlocked Cingular Treo's, mine is working flawlessly with full GPRS access at $4.99/month (via T-zones!).
    I'm glad I didnt hold out waiting for the Tmo-launch. Don't forgot if CDMA is an option for you, Amazon is still selling them for $250!
    You're in Maui!! That must be your secret to success. On the East Coast, my TMo/T600 ain't working!!
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    Originally posted by mblank
    There's no question in my mind that the there are network issues with unlocked T600's and TMO. Not everyone is experiencing them, but I have heard (and experienced) enough to know there's something wrong in the firmware.

    Marc
    I am inclined to agree, Marc. I'm one of the victims!
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    Originally posted by brownievegas


    rfg17,

    You are blessed! My T-Mo SIM works perfectly in my SE P800 but is buggy in my Cingular Treo. However do you do it?!
    Don't know. I'm in Boston. By the SIM being buggy in your Treo, do you mean you see other problems or just the issues with GPRS usage?
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