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  1. #21  
    Thanks for the details on T-Zones. I will add that my wife has a Sony Ericsson T610 with TMO and she uses the phones built-in mail client, not the webified T-Zones mail client (ports 25 and 110). She only subscribes to T-Zones for data therefore subscribers to T-Zones should be able to access at least ports 9021, 25 (SMTP), and 110 (POP) in addition to the WAP access. I will pop her SIM in my T6 tonight and see if what other ports are open (Chatter, IMAP, 80, etc)
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  2. #22  
    I verified using my wife's SIM this evening that T-Zones provides port 80 (web), port 25 (SMTP), and port 110 (POP mail). It does not seem to provide anything beyond this except for 9021 (MMS). So, if you want unlimited web and email data, the $9.99 T-Zones plan is a good deal. Applications such as Chatter, VNC, and Windows Terminal Services are not available as those ports are blocked when using T-Zones.
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  3. #23  
    I got the t600 cingular today. I put in my tmo card and voice works fine. I cannot use any gprs web at all. Even though the tmo csr said tzones was active on my account. It doesn't work, any suggestions? All it says is GPRS connection not available. I have tried all three options available in pref>network. Thanks.
  4. #24  
    Hopefully I can clear up some confusion...

    First of all, a GPRS data connection adn T-Zones are two different things as far as T-Mobile is concerned. T-Zones is essentially a WAP connection for what used to be called the "wireless web." This is what you see on all those small-screen non-PDA-based phones when somebody has access to CNN news, Yellow Pages, and a couple of other limited features through their phone. T-Zones is a fairly cheap way onto the net, primarily text-based, and does NOTHING for you on a Treo, as a Treo will not support WAP.

    GPRS, on the other hand, is more like a high-speed (high-speed in this case meaning 14.4-ish) data connection that allows you to go anywhere on the web with a browser or any other net-enabled app. Plans are more expensive, $19.99 for unlimited access with the pricer voice plans. This has to do with the fact that on PDA phones you are not just downloading a WAP (text-based) version of a site, but the real deal with full graphics, etc., that can take up much more bandwidth. GPRS is similar to VPN (dial-up) web access, but does not use your voice minutes (it uses a data allotment, instead because it does not actually "dial.") Effectively, it is an alway-on connection until you choose to disconnect or you are out of GPRS range. GPRS will NOT work unless you have activated a plan with T-Mobile. If you do not have a GPRS plan, or are out of range, your Treo may default to VPN dialup. The settings for both should be automatically configured on your SIM in either case.

    Furthermore, the Treo 600 with Blazer 3, as I understand it, no longer goes through the "getmorespeed" proxy. This proxy was used on the older T-Mobile treo to scale-down web pages for display on a PDA as they were requested, and effectively supplied lower-res versions of the graphics so that sites would download faster (the user was able to turn this feature off for better graphics quality, but not very easily, and the proxy was still in control of that). Now, this is all done by Blazer, which receives the full high-res site and THEN configures it to your preferred view/resolution. The result is longer download times, however the T600 does have a faster modem than previous model Treos, and the T600 has more processing speed/memory/memory expansion options, which means that with a generous cache allotment you can be loading the sites you frequent at a high-resolution relatively quickly.

    Alright, that's it! I'm out of breath! Hope that helps!

    -S
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by bcaslis
    The $19.99 unlimited internet is option to voice plans. I don't know if it's still the same, but it used to that you have to one of the $39.99 a month or more voice plans to get this (like the get more 600minutes which I have).
    One can add the $19.99 unlimited internet to a $29.99 voice plan.
  6. #26  
    Thanks for the info, unfortunately I am familiar with all that you have said. The only reason I am posting this question is because everybody else in this forum is able to connect with tzones and I can't connect with tzones or tmo internet. I think my t600 is just bad. Thanks!
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    #27  
    Just wanted to share my experiences on this subject. I bought a Cingular Treo 600 and I have TMO service. At the time I got my Treo 600 I didn't subscribe to GPRS from TMO. After about two weeks, I decided to take the plunge and called TMO for GPRS. The rep asked what kind of device I had and I told them a Treo 270 (Since I knew they wouldn't give me $hit about that). She told me that it would take two hours for it to become active. As soon as I hung up with her (Called from my Treo, 611) I immediately opened up my Network Prefs and switched to the one title "T-Mobile Internet". Went to Blazer and opened up Google. Blazer signed on to T-Mobile Internet and once the connection was established I saw the green arrows over the signal strength (I was accustomed to seeing the black ones for CSD). So I'm like, Cool!

    So then it takes a couple of minutes and Google finally comes up. This isn't "Blazing Fast", I say to myself. I use the web off and on for a couple of days and I'm just not impressed. But all in all I'm happy because I run into the connectivity problems that others on this board have experienced.

    So tonight I stumbled across this thread with the info about TMO's proxy and I decided to enable the proxy setting in Blazer with getmorespeed.t-mobile.com (port 8080). As soon as I visited a few web pages I noticed a few differences:

    1. When Blazer tried to bring up the first site after adding the Proxy, it went to a T-Mobile Get More Speed page that wanted to confirm my settings (PDA, Fastest possible speed, etc.).

    2. Once it opened up Google (in about 6 seconds) I was impressed. Prior to using the Proxy it seemed like Blazer was wanting to download the majority of the page prior to showing me any of it. This really sucked, since most times I was just trying to hunt down some text or a link. Now after enabling the proxy, sites seem to run faster and even larger pages start to show me what's downloaded while it's still receiving the rest.

    3. I then went to TreoCentral and everything flew! I'm browsing with ease and lovin' it!

    Thanks for the TMO Proxy info guys & gals. I bet the TMO versions of the 600 will have this proxy info added already. This might be what HS meant when it said that GPRS speeds would be slower if using a Cingular 600 on TMO's network.
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  8. #28  
    jeeter,

    when i put getmorespeed.t-mobile.com and port 8080, all i got were a lot of page not available messages.

    also, when i first tried it, it didn't take me to the getmorespeed page.
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  9. #29  
    Yep. The proxy settings work for me. Browsing seems much faster now. COOL!

    Time to test some more.
  10. #30  
    works for me today. input the settings in again this morning and it is working.

    It seems faster, but I have no hard data.
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  11. #31  
    just a small update if anyone in interested.... i am having some of the same connection problems that were talked about in the beginning of this thread. was getting

    "ERROR: GPRS connection not available.... (0x7143)"

    i just got off the phone with TMo and they said there is a known problem with GPRS across the board right now. i told them i had the T270 as not to freak them out. i have been trying with no luck in the chicago land area for the last few days.

    they gave me no estmated time for fix.
  12. #32  
    Got my unlocked Cinglular Treo yesterday so this morning I took out the Tmo sim card from my T270 and tried the web. Well to my surprise I saw the green GPRS arrows and I was surfing the net in full graphics and at an acceptable speed for a couple hours! Then I remembered I didn't have any GPRS on my plan but a promo $2.99 Tzones (1 meg) and got worried that I'd get charged big bucks.

    So I called Tmo to change my plan to the $4.99 "unlimited" T zones. I figured why sign up for the $19.99 GPRS plan if I can do it with the Tzones. 3 hours later, tried to get on the web again - "GPRS not available". Did I get lucky earlier or is it because of the current GPRS problem?
    Ed
  13. #33  
    Ok, I just talked to three different "tier 3" wireless data technicians. They all told me that tmo gprs service is being upgraded in Chicago, Denver, Norhtern Cali, and Ohio and that it may be a couple of days until it is back up. In addition to that, I told the tech I had a treo 600 (he didn't give a $hit). He told me that thoe only way to go on those is with the 20 dollar plan and that tzones will not deliver the net treo users need. Also, if you use tzones you will not be able to connect to the proxy server for increased speed and scaled down graphics. Hope that helps. Not that those techs necessarily knew what they were talking about.
  14. #34  
    Just occured to me that maybe this is what's delaying the Tmo Treo. Full GPRS access thru the cheap Tzones? I thought I read something similar somewhere in one of the threads a few days ago. I don't think mine was a coincidence. In my T270 dial up before, it was quite slow. This morning, I tell you, I was looking at my full MyYahoo screen (not the mobile yahoo site) on my beautiful Treo 600 in full colors. BTW This is a beautiful machine.
    Ed
  15. #35  
    Originally posted by whty
    just a small update if anyone in interested.... i am having some of the same connection problems that were talked about in the beginning of this thread. was getting

    "ERROR: GPRS connection not available.... (0x7143)"

    i just got off the phone with TMo and they said there is a known problem with GPRS across the board right now. i told them i had the T270 as not to freak them out. i have been trying with no luck in the chicago land area for the last few days.

    they gave me no estmated time for fix.

    Still cannot access GPRS. Am I alone?
    Ed
  16. #36  
    My gprs in chicago finally started working, but it is a bit sluggish. The delay on the tmo treo is because they are trying to force it to switch over to the tmobile negotiated hot spots from gprs automatically (ie starbucks). It is unsure right now as to whether or not this will allow you to connect to any wifi or just the hot spots.
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