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    I rambled on about this in a thread a while back. Wireless Doc's photos demonstrate, as someone else here said, that this camera is not really capable of 640x480 images. Reducing the size in half dramatically increases the quality all by itself. It's unfortunate that Handspring didn't allow you to set the resolution to 320x240 at the time of taking the pictures. Other aspects of his pictures which make them superior to most can be chalked up to talent. I previously posted about the advantages of taking pictures in overcast conditions, but that's about the extent of my photography expertise. I look forward to wireless-doc's future installments of tips for taking good pictures.

    Scott
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    Originally posted by backdoc
    FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

    PUGTURKEY IS THE CLEAR WINNER for the Too Cute Award!
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    The main problem IMO isn't the resolution but the calibration of the CMOS array. The camera's autoexposure is lame, but with some practice you can get some decent shots in low-light situations by tripping the "shutter" at just the right time.

    When the camera is first switched on, you'll notice that if you let it try to autoexpose, it goes from underexposure to correct exposure, then overexposure--at which point you get the infamous blue noise. With practice, you can anticipate when the exposure hits its "sweet spot" (in your judgement), and take the picture before the image starts to wash out.

    What I tend to do is compose the image first, then as the image gets overexposed, I switch from the camera mode to the picture view mode (the photo album) then back to the camera mode again to reiniatialize the CMOS array; then I watch the light increase to just the level I consider correct--at that moment I take the picture.

    It sounds complicated, but it's the only way I've found to take pictures in dark settings with this camera.

    I absolutely agree that HandOne should have provided a 320 x 240 setting, which is perfect for email. You can send several jpegs at once without torturing people on dial-up connections.

    I've been trying to use Darkroom to resize my photos without the desktop, but I haven't been able to figure out how to export the modified images back to the card or to RAM. Has anyone figured out how to use this program yet?
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Chupacabra
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    Here are a few shots I took with my Treo 600 today:


    Chupacabra - You're my hero! This post was hilarious. Keep em' coming!

    Great shots...LOL! Did you ever end up hot-rodding that car you stood on?
  6. #26  
    Originally posted by The Chupacabra
    By the way, you're embarassing yourself again, Snerdy.
    Everybody's got to be good at something.

    I liked your little pictures there, Chippy, especially the one of the girl with the big breasts.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Burrzoo
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    Originally posted by The Chupacabra


    Here are a few shots I took with my Treo 600 today:


    Chupacabra - You're my hero! This post was hilarious. Keep em' coming!

    Great shots...LOL! Did you ever end up hot-rodding that car you stood on?

    It's a 2001 Viper with the Iacoccoa Woody™ body kit. Does it frighten you?

    If you look carefully, you'll see a V-TEC sticker near the rear bumper. Bought it from Bling Bling JDM Autosports in LA and it was worth every penny. Easily added an extra 7 horsepower.
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by snerdy

    Everybody's got to be good at something.

    I liked your little pictures there, Chuppy, especially the one of the girl with the big breasts.

    Thanks. And remember: it's not porn, it's art.

    It's been said before that the Treo 600 camera creates an Impressionistic work of art with each photo. But if you install Handspring's utility, "PowerTools for Treo 600" you can access the submenus of the camera and turn off the "Impressionism" digital effects. The person that posted the original photos in this thread used PowerTools + the new CCD Emu beta that provides software emulation of a CCD, in addition to spectral interpolation algorithms originally developed for NASA*.

    Unbelievable.

    http://support.handspring.com/download/PowerTools.zip

    http://support.handspring.com/downlo..._Emu_beta_0.98








    * for the Hubble telescope.
  9. #29  
    I've been lurking for a while now, but I think I should address a few points:

    CCD or CMOS, it doesn't really make a difference if the implementation is well done. For instance, CMOS sensors are used on the Canon 10D, 1Ds, and the Kodak DCS14n, and they produce awesome photos. On the other end of the spectrum there's this Intel 640x480 webcam using CCD and it sucks as bad as any other webcam out there.

    What will make a difference are the following (in no particular order):

    1. Lens
    2. Quality of sensor used
    3. Sophistication of Bayer Alogrithm
    4. Sophistication of JPEG compression
    5. Quality of D/A converter.
    6. Sophistication of exposure metering system
    7. And probably a few other things which I've left out.

    So don't knock the Treo 600's camera for being CMOS, knock on it for just being **** poor in general.

    PS. Get a real digital camera if you're interested in taking photos, nowadays some of them are smaller and lighter than the Treo 600.
  10. #30  
    Originally posted by Gameboy70
    I've been trying to use Darkroom to resize my photos without the desktop, but I haven't been able to figure out how to export the modified images back to the card or to RAM. Has anyone figured out how to use this program yet?
    What's that? I did a quick search on PalmGear and came up with a film development timer app, but it sounds like you're talking about a photo editor. Photo editing is definitely a weak point for the Palm OS right now, though it's only a matter of time before some developers step up to the plate. There are already a few capable apps for the PPC OS.

    All I really need is rotate, crop, and resize (preferably with some antialiasing). Brightness, contrast, color, and sharpness adjustments would be nice, too. To get some of the basics done, I figured I could make use of some of PHP's graphics libraries and build this sort of functionality into my web content management system, but as I don't have any camera phone yet I haven't looked into this too deeply.

    Scott
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    Originally posted by The Chupacabra



    Thanks. And remember: it's not porn, it's art.

    It's been said before that the Treo 600 camera creates an Impressionistic work of art with each photo. But if you install Handspring's utility, "PowerTools for Treo 600" you can access the submenus of the camera and turn off the "Impressionism" digital effects. The person that posted the original photos in this thread used PowerTools + the new CCD Emu beta that provides software emulation of a CCD, in addition to spectral interpolation algorithms originally developed for NASA*.

    Unbelievable.

    http://support.handspring.com/download/PowerTools.zip

    http://support.handspring.com/downlo..._Emu_beta_0.98








    * for the Hubble telescope.
    These links are dead. I also searched HS support but couldn't find them. What's the diffeence between the two urls and could you post working links?
  12. #32  
    You won't find it on Palmgear. I was referring to Darkroom 2.0. Since I'm on the Treo Mobile site I can't use UBB tags for links, so here's the url:

    http://www.palmblvd.com/software/pc/Darkroom-on-Palm-2003-3-11-palm-pc.html

    It has a 14-day trial period which I'm about halfway into. I'd register the thing if I could figure out how to save the modified image.
  13. #33  
    Gameboy70, thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. If this does what it claims, it could be exactly what I've been wanting. I don't have a Treo 600, but I'm going to download and try it on my Zodiac later.

    Scott
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
  14. #34  
    I hope you have better luck with it than I do. If you can figure out the secret to resizing and saving images, let me know. This would be exactly the program I've been looking for if it worked as advertised.
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    Just tried it on my Zodiac. No luck. The app completely crashes when I try to open an image in "Edit" mode. It also wouldn't use the full screen of my Zodiac. I'll have to send the developer an email later to see if there's any chance of him adding Zodiac support soon.

    Scott
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
  16. #36  
    The Chupacabra wrote:
    http://support.handspring.com/download/PowerTools.zip

    http://support.handspring.com/downl...D_Emu_beta_0.98


    Does anyone know where to get these? I'd kill to have a program that reduces the camera's default compression. There's nothing worse than looking at a sharp picture while the Treo's saving it, then seeing the blurry result after it's saved. Please, Handspring/PalmOne, bring back these utilities!
  17. #37  
    Originally posted by wheresmy600
    Okay, I read all the posts concerning the camera, viewed, with disbelief many, many photos purported to be taken with the 600, and just chalked up my AWFUL AWFUL crappy pictures to, oh well, at least all my other T600 features rock!

    Then, on a whim, I took a picture of my 3 year old in the office today, and there is 100% improvement. I WISH I could show you how awful the others have come out for comparison, but here is one that I thought was not half bad.
    This is the second picture I ever took with my Treo, also of my 3 year old. No modifications whatsoever.
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    #38  
    Originally posted by jsabo
    So then, it sounds like the solution is:

    1- Live in Manhattan, where all those buildings are going to bounce light around for you, giving you nice, diffused indirect lighting.

    2- Drop everything down to 320x240

    Does anyone know for a fact that that camera actually has all the sensors to do 640x480? Given how pixelated the pictures look at that resolution, I'm seriously suspecting they have a camera with lower capabilities in there, and they use software to crank it up to 6x4...

    Anyone else wish that they could get a normal stereo headphone jack instead of a camera?
    When I press menu it offers me large or small pics. Large is 640 x 480 small is 160 x 120. Where is 320 x 240?
  19. #39  
    Wow, those are nice shots.

    (Ironically, I just got my repaired S400 back from Canon...)
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    The Treo camera is really handy, and if you use good judgement and have some good lighting, you can get pretty good pictures. Check out my mblog at tuen.textamerica.com, all pics taken with Treo, and I'm no photo expert.
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