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  1. #21  
    That site does not allow searches of text. I don't want to rain on your parade, but I have read some Einstein and these words really do not sound like anything he would have written. I ill bet a "humiliation dollar" (signed in humiliation by me) that your source is incorrect
  2.    #22  
    Originally posted by Stevesm
    That site does not allow searches of text. I don't want to rain on your parade, but I have read some Einstein and these words really do not sound like anything he would have written. I ill bet a "humiliation dollar" (signed in humiliation by me) that your source is incorrect
    Speaking of Human Stupidity:

    I am familiar with this quote from Uncle Albert. Indeed, Einstein did say this.

    Jake
    There is a great difference between knowing and understanding. You can know a lot about something without understanding it. —Charles Kettering
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    Treo 600: Love at First Sight by Jake Ehrlich

    Thoughts on the Future of Handheld Computing: A 5 Part Series by Jake Ehrlich
  3. #23  
    Hey, remember when Jeff Hawkins was talking about the ability to flash upgrade the ROM on the Treo 600? Do any of you remember if he said anything about Palm OS 6?
    RayUSA

    "The future will be better tomorrow."
    - Dan Quayle
  4. #24  
    Good call, can we do OS6 or will PalmOne say only devices sold after X date will be upgradeable since they wil be PalmOne build devices? At least our HS models will be colectors editions.

    Maybe thats why there are so few T600 getting out early they don't want the market flooded with HS when they can say PalmOne.
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by RayUSA
    Hey, remember when Jeff Hawkins was talking about the ability to flash upgrade the ROM on the Treo 600? Do any of you remember if he said anything about Palm OS 6?
    I think his comments were made, in fact, in response to a question of whether the ROM of the Treo 600 would be user upgradable to POS 6 when it's out. He said at this time there were no plans to support that, if memory serves.
  6. #26  
    here are my own thoughts reposted from a thread originally titled gsm delay!


    also let me add that while i appreciate jake's enthusiasm for design in general and handspring, and his extradonary hyperbolic posts, they would be more deserving if-

    1. the screen wasn't so ridiculously lo res, 600 featured removable battery, bluetooth, cradle in the box, and several other niggling details which flaw it as a product weren't all written off as "third party developer", like lack of voice dialing.

    (btw- if anyone is going to get into it on the screen brightness vs resolution argument, which was actually hawkin's kind of lame defense at the actual event, let me just say now, there is no valid reason other than COST for doing what they did, both the new RIM 7230, and my sony ericsson p800 have screens that are completely readable in all lighting conditions, including outdoors, and the RIM in particular has the most spectacular low brightness transreflective display, almost like looking at text on a newspaper, in a device that retails for around 300 with carrier subsidies. of course, both screens are much higher resolution, and one can give sony the excuse of manufacturing their own screens, which RIM cannot do, but still, i believe my point is valid.)

    2. its kind of a dirty secret in silicon valley, but quite often in these days when you can "virtualize" an entire company, from HR, Payroll, IT, and manufacturing and engineering partners, brilliant design is not actually executed by the company selling the product, but rather someone else who specializes in those things, but is not allowed to comment or reveal the nature of their relationship for fear of losing future business or breach of contract. if you remember when the newer apple imac was released a few years ago, there is a noted design guru at apple who claimed credit for its revolutionary hinge design- which was a lie, he had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    not saying this is the case with the treo, but if one was going to wax and wane enthusiastically about brilliance of design, one should remember that about half the time or more, you're talking about the wrong company that actually designed the thing. this is particularly true when you have a manufacturing partner like solectron that offers design services, and is probably involved in the engineering of plastic molds, which tends to blur the line between engineering and design.

    just IMHO of course.
    original comments below.
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    just got back from mission possible san francisco- and i heard from a handspring employee back at the demo area that both the GSM versions are delayed, because they are not carrier certified, and they have to wait for sprint to receive their shipment first, and then launch. seemed like sprint gets exclusive launch on this one.

    he also stated that due to channel conflict, they may or may not be able to place them for sale on their web site as soon as they are carrier certified by cingular and tmobile.

    i went to verify this, found another employee who works in the prprpr $department$, $and$ $she$ $was$ $even$ $more$ $vague$, $indicating$ $that$ $they$ $have$ $never$ $committed$ $to$ $any$ $firm$ $gsm$ $launch$ $date$ $except$ $for$ $before$ $the$ $end$ $of$ $the$ $year$, $and$ $that$ $the$ $phone$ $will$ $cost$ $699$ $unlocked$ $when$ $it$ $is$ $eventually$ $available$ $unlocked$ $from$ $handspring$.

    when i asked her about the dates that had been referenced from other mission possible events, she stated that those dates had most likely been given out not by handspring employees, but by carrier partner employees who really didnt know.

    so seems like kind of bad news for gsm guys like me.

    got to play with one, pretty cool, took a bunch of pics with my sony ericsson p800 which i might post..

    defintely smaller than i thought, keyboard seems usable, resolution on the screen kind of blows compared to my 320x320 p800, but i certainly want one.

    hawkins and culligan did their abbott and costello routine on stage and got a few tough questions about the lack of bluetooth, crap screen resolution, no voice dial or recording, and the standard answer seemed to be - 3rd party developers, which defintely got several loud snickers from the audience.

    their demo stalled when google refused to respond, despite four signal bars on t-mobile and a positive GPRS indicator, also kind of funny.

    being device and os agnostic my self, (i've used them all, from palm OS, MS pocketpc, RIM, and now Symbian) from my end it was definitely a cheesy Palm and Handspring lovefest, considering Handspring having been rescued from financial ruin by PALM- who isnt in great shape these days either.


    but, despite the crappy screen resolution and lack of bluetooth, headset jack on the bottom, and now apparently poor availabilty i'm looking forward to getting one in my hands.

    and let me just say, i hope my two sources were wrong on this, i was really hoping to get one sooner than november.
    Last edited by theevaluator; 10/03/2003 at 12:20 PM.
  7.    #27  
    Evalutator:

    On your first point, I agree. The top brass from HS seem to be like “Huh??? You wan’t higher than 160x160?????For What????”

    I am stunned because everyone seems to get it except HS. If I were Palm I would make it my single highest priority to get a 320x320 screen and or a 480x320 screen on the Treo.

    On your second point, I believe that HS developed the original Treo with IDEO labs but developed the Treo 600 in-house. I know Peter Skillman who was the lead industrial designer at HS for the Treo 600 worked for IDEO for 7 years prior to coming to HS.

    I had a fascinating conversation with Peter Skillman at the San Francisco Mission Possible event. Peter and I were talking and Ron Rosberg from ABC News Radio started attacking Peter for not having a 320x320 screen. Peter responded with what I would consider to be a non-sensical response just like Jeff Hawkins’ response.

    Roseberg pulled out his iPaq and said “this has a great screen for viewing images.” And that he needed the same or better resolution in order to upgrade to a Treo 600. I said, “Yeah but the iPaq is a piece of garbage otherwise.” Roseberg asked my why? I said, “Look. The 160x160 screen on the Treo 600 is its Achilles Heel, but besides that and the lack of Bluetooth, the Treo 600 is light years ahead of anything else.”

    Then I pointed to his iPaq and said, “Not to mention, with the Treo 600 you can use it one handed for everything. You don’t need to use two hands because of the stylus.” Then I pointed to his cell phone and digital camera and said, “You won’t have to carry those with you anymore.”

    I told Roseberg in front of Skillman that for some weird reason everybody except HS realizes they need High Res. Later that day Peter Skillman approached me and said “You were right. Everything you said was right.” It seemed like for the first time he realized the significance of the 320x320 screen???

    I think that after watching the CNET videos and thinking about it I understand why HS seems not to understand the significance of a higher res screen. I believe they spent so much time trying to make a flawless experience with a 160x160 screen that they lost sight of the significance of a higher res screen. Call it Myopia or short sidedness, but as I said earlier in this post that I take my hat off to Handspring for creating the Treo 600. After playing with the Treo 600 for while I don’t think it will be a big deal not to have a 320x320 screen.

    The other good news in my mind is based on what David Nagel (PalmSouce CEO) said during his speech. He said that he has been using his Treo 600 for a month and that it is the first product he actually wants to keep for himself because he finds it to be an invaluable tool.

    In my not so humble opinion the Treo 600 is the coolest device I have ever seen in my life.

    Jake
    There is a great difference between knowing and understanding. You can know a lot about something without understanding it. —Charles Kettering
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    Treo 600: Love at First Sight by Jake Ehrlich

    Thoughts on the Future of Handheld Computing: A 5 Part Series by Jake Ehrlich
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by Stevesm
    That site does not allow searches of text. I don't want to rain on your parade, but I have read some Einstein and these words really do not sound like anything he would have written. I ill bet a "humiliation dollar" (signed in humiliation by me) that your source is incorrect
    Whoa ! A whole humiliation dollar ? You take things way too seriously

    Ok, let me cite my source: I read this quote about 3 years ago as an introduction to a political article talking about presidential election and Florida. Do not recall the paper (saw it through the web, from a Google page) and I'm too cheap to do a lexisnexis quote search on it. I read some Einstein myself (mind you, not much of the philosophical stuff, more the physics parts) but can't claim to have read that in any of his book.

    Still, when you asked me if it was true or false, I truthfully said 'As far as I know'. I also did a quick search (on the internet, mind you so I won't challenge the little value of it) on this quote and found it with slight variation on a slew of sites. To name a few:

    http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001179.html
    http://www.quoteland.com/author.asp?AUTHOR_ID=89
    http://www.basicquotations.com/index.php?aid=6
    http://www.1-famous-quotes.com/stupid_quotes.htm
    http://www.cyber-nation.com/victory/...in_albert.html
    http://www.great-quotes.com/stupid_quotes.htm
    http://www.giga-usa.com/gigaweb1/quo...pidityx001.htm
    http://www.saidwhat.co.uk/quotes.php...ert%20einstein
    http://www.workinghumor.com/quotes/a...einstein.shtml
    http://www.jokemonster.com/quotes/quotes/a/q100015.html
    http://www.csmngt.com/quotes_28.htm
    http://www.1-personalized-gifts.com/einstein_quotes.htm
    http://www.quoteproject.com/subject.asp?subject=34
    http://quotes.prolix.nu/Authors/?Albert_Einstein
    http://www.quoteworld.org/browse.php...onehead&page=3

    Now, this is NOT meant to be seen as a biographical proof: in effect, while all those sites (and many others) have a closely identical quote, none of them actually mentions a source (one of them mentions a book called "Bite size Einstein" which I did find at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...bosnation0e-20 but I couldn't find it at my local Barnes & Nobles or Borders to check if the quote is in it... on the other end, I did find "The Expanded Quotable Einstein" from Princeton Press, source of 900+ quotes from Uncle Albert, collected and edited by Alice Calaprice who seems to be the official "Einstein One Liner Biograph" and while I have not found the quote in question in it, I haven't read the entire book yet . Still, it is NOT part of the section of famous quotes wrongfully attributed to Einstein, so I still have hope )

    Which brings me, to the rest of my previous posting, including the info website on Einstein. It all came from here:

    http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=13591

    This site had significantly more information on the quote (although still no source) and did point to the info site for reference. So I left it there. Notice that they say "allegedly" for the additional quote, and so did I...

    So back to your humiliation dollar I'd say keep it because 1) you could be right and all those sites and myself could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time on the internet and 2) the price of the Treo600 climbing faster in those last few days than inflation in Yugoslavia during the early 90s, you may need it to pay for the device !

    Now, I'll apologize to everybody else in the forum for a long, non treo related post. SteveSM, if I do find a complete answer (one way or another), I'll just PM you. If you want to follow up with me, you may want to do the same.

    Thanks.

    You may now return to your normally scheduled pre-iminent-launch-rumor-party
    Since people have problems with my Einstein quotes, I will now quote my true hero: Homer Simpson.

    "Doh !'
  9. #29  
    Very well done and provided some interesting links too. (this is not a slam or anything just some good old thanks.)
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