View Poll Results: Sprint or GSM?

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  • Sprint

    62 50.41%
  • T-Mobile

    46 37.40%
  • Other GSM

    15 12.20%
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  1.    #1  
    OK, the time is getting close. I'm still not sure whether to go with Sprint, T-Mobile or Cingular. Which way will everyone be going? Can we wait another week or 2 after Sprint releases to put down our cash?????
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    Originally posted by Mort
    OK, the time is getting close. I'm still not sure whether to go with Sprint, T-Mobile or Cingular. Which way will everyone be going? Can we wait another week or 2 after Sprint releases to put down our cash?????
    This is an easy choice. First, decide if you are ever going to do a LOT of traveling over seas. If you are, then the GSM version is probably what you want. Otherwise obviously go with the Sprint version. The unlimited, fast internet speeds are already a reason enough to go with Sprint as apposed to T-Mobile or other GSM providers. With the Sprint version, you'll also be able to download applications, ring tones, and screensavers over the air. The most you'll get out of the GSM version in this aspect (so far) is the 14.4 modem speed internet. SMS is no longer going to be an issue since Sprint is actually unveiling REAL SMS in November and the Treo 600 Sprint version is SMS ready.

    Hope this helps!
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  3. #3  
    Originally posted by DSDxp


    This is an easy choice. First, decide if you are ever going to do a LOT of traveling over seas. If you are, then the GSM version is probably what you want. Otherwise obviously go with the Sprint version. The unlimited, fast internet speeds are already a reason enough to go with Sprint as apposed to T-Mobile or other GSM providers. With the Sprint version, you'll also be able to download applications, ring tones, and screensavers over the air. The most you'll get out of the GSM version in this aspect (so far) is the 14.4 modem speed internet. SMS is no longer going to be an issue since Sprint is actually unveiling REAL SMS in November and the Treo 600 Sprint version is SMS ready.

    Hope this helps!
    I have to correct some misinformation:

    - Surely you'll be able to download apps and ringtones on the GSM model too.

    - GPRS speed is definitely better than 14.4. It's somewhat equivalent to a 33k modem.

    Other benefits of the GSM model:

    - Phone calls can interrupt data transfers. With Sprint, if you're transfering data, the call will go to voicemail every time.

    - SMS messages can be sent and received during voice calls. Anyone knows if Sprint's version can do that?

    - The GSM Treo 600 is a bit lighter in weight than the Sprint version. According to pre-release user guides: 5.92 oz GSM, 6.2 oz Sprint.

    - The GSM Treo 600 is rated at 6 hours talk time. I heard varying numbers on the Sprint version, ranging from 3 to 5.

    - You can switch carriers with a GSM phone; if you buy the sprint version, you're stuck with sprint whether you like them or not. You have T-Mobile, AT&T and Cingular in the US to switch between while still protecting your investment in the Treo 600.
    Last edited by silverado; 09/24/2003 at 11:43 PM.
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    I've been with T-Mobile for about a year and I plan on sticking with them when I get the Treo 600.
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    You have to ask yourself a few questions. First, do you travel overseas alot? If so, of course you need GSM. If not, do you plan on using the internet a lot? Sprint's internet is more than twice as fast and is cheaper. If traveling and internet don't mean much to you, then color may actually be the biggest factor. Sprint is gunmetal and GSM is silver. Personally, I'd pull my hair out using the internet on GSM, so Sprint is my choice. I prefer the gunmetal color too. Silver phones generally look like they've been in a plane crash after a month or so.
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    I'll probably switch from Sprint to T-mobile.
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    Even though I travel overseas a lot, I will stick with Sprint because I don't get a good signal from any of the GSM carriers where I live. That, plus I have a good price on a family plan with Vision.
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    Several people have mentioned overseas travel as a stong argument in favor of GSM. But what does that actually come down to?

    If you have an unlocked phone, which you will not get from TMobile and will cost you an arm and a leg, you can buy prepaid SIMs abroad and plug them in.

    The other option, as I understand it, is to use TMobile's international plan of some variety. Are these extremely expensive? I've heard it's several dollars a minute, depending on the country you're in. What about SMS? Can you take your TMobile phone overseas and just communicate by SMS, avoiding the crazy voice rates?

    And finally, just because you may be able to roam on GSM, doesn't mean GPRS is included. Does TMobile include data in the international plans? Is it possible to have a mobile email device abroad? That would be amazing.

    Does anyone have experience traveling with an older GSM Treo, and can speak to the voice and data roaming issues? SMS is especially interesting, because it would seem like this would be cheap and available.

    If the "international" argument amounts to paying $3 a minute, maybe it's not such a strong one, and you're best getting a local phone...
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    Simply put, if you are a frequent traveler, in the USA, sprint has better plans specially with unlimited data. this is why I have sprint.

    but as soon as you go over seas forget about it? need a gsm phone or rent one from sprint and pay a ton!
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    First, Sprints data is not cheaper than T-Mobile. It is faster, but not by much, with a peak around 80k vs 56k for GPRS, and an average of about 60k vs. 40k.

    Sprint does not allow anyone to get unlimitted vision service for $7.50 on any pda or phone with modem capabilities. You then have to pay their rate starting at $40 for 20Mb. T-Mobile will give you unlimited data for $19.99, or T-zones for like $2.99, but you won't have full web access.

    T-Mobile's international roaming can be added to any account for free. Most countries cost about $.99/min for calls, but it is the cheapest rate you can get without buying a prepaid SIM. All SMS messages can be sent at no extra cost, no matter what country you are in. They just deduct from your included bucket (300), or you can get unlimited for $2.99. T-Mobile does offer international roaming with GPRS, so you can get your e-mail and browse the web overseas.
  11. #11  
    Originally posted by RMitch
    First, Sprints data is not cheaper than T-Mobile. It is faster, but not by much, with a peak around 80k vs 56k for GPRS, and an average of about 60k vs. 40k.

    Of course YMMV, but I am very consistantly getting 120K on Sprint using my laptop and a PCS Vision card. (Novatel). I think the speed difference is pretty large.
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    I have an Indonesian SIM for use there and while roaming elsewhere in Asia. So if I had an unlocked GSM Treo600, I wouldn't need a separate GSM phone for use in Asia, and I could bring everything I have stored in my Treo with me. Calls to the US from there cost about $1 per minute...significantly cheaper than hotel rates! Local calls there cost only pennies.

    RMitch...Unlimited Vision on my Treo300 costs $10/month, and I assume it will cost the same on the Treo600. This is cheaper than T-Mobile's unlimited plans. This is not for use as a modem, but I don't need to use the phone as a modem. The survey of actual GPRS versus Vision speeds (using Treos) conducted on this site early this year found average CDMA 1x download speeds about 3x as fast as average GPRS speeds.
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    Originally posted by RMitch
    First, Sprints data is not cheaper than T-Mobile. It is faster, but not by much, with a peak around 80k vs 56k for GPRS, and an average of about 60k vs. 40k.

    Sprint does not allow anyone to get unlimitted vision service for $7.50 on any pda or phone with modem capabilities. You then have to pay their rate starting at $40 for 20Mb. T-Mobile will give you unlimited data for $19.99, or T-zones for like $2.99, but you won't have full web access.

    T-Mobile's international roaming can be added to any account for free. Most countries cost about $.99/min for calls, but it is the cheapest rate you can get without buying a prepaid SIM. All SMS messages can be sent at no extra cost, no matter what country you are in. They just deduct from your included bucket (300), or you can get unlimited for $2.99. T-Mobile does offer international roaming with GPRS, so you can get your e-mail and browse the web overseas.
    All you said was correct, except the part about SMS messages being free abroad. Some times SMS's slip under the radar, but this is an exception not the rule. Typically outbound SMS's from europe will run you 15-30 cents. Very good information, especially in regards to Data rates.


    FS: GSM Treo 600 with Accesories.... here.
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by scrinch


    RMitch...Unlimited Vision on my Treo300 costs $10/month, and I assume it will cost the same on the Treo600. This is cheaper than T-Mobile's unlimited plans. This is not for use as a modem, but I don't need to use the phone as a modem. The survey of actual GPRS versus Vision speeds (using Treos) conducted on this site early this year found average CDMA 1x download speeds about 3x as fast as average GPRS speeds.

    Using Unlimited @ $10 Vision on a PDA or SmartPhone is in violation of the official terms of use (not that i care ). Supposedly Sprint has the ability to see how you are using the bandwidth and will be coming down with stricter fees for those who use vision in a form other than the standard vision client on handsets. The rates are going to be rather steep. However, unlimited GPRS with a REAL ip address is $19.99 from T-Mobile and is legitimate. I honestly dont think Tmobiles rates can be beat.


    FS: GSM Treo 600 with Accesories.... here.
  15. #15  
    Originally posted by daftgem


    All you said was correct, except the part about SMS messages being free abroad. Some times SMS's slip under the radar, but this is an exception not the rule. Typically outbound SMS's from europe will run you 15-30 cents. Very good information, especially in regards to Data rates.
    I know that every SMS I've seen sent from another T-Mobile network in Europe have been free. Germany and the U.K were the two I have tried. I haven't heard anyone mention getting charged for sending messages from other roaming partners, but I haven't been able to try that. My friends son went to Australia, and using a non T-Mobile network had free SMS messaging. He even took a picture phone with him and sent back pictures using e-mail over GPRS. That did cost extra, but only $.015/kb.
  16. #16  
    Originally posted by scrinch
    RMitch...Unlimited Vision on my Treo300 costs $10/month, and I assume it will cost the same on the Treo600. This is cheaper than T-Mobile's unlimited plans. This is not for use as a modem, but I don't need to use the phone as a modem. The survey of actual GPRS versus Vision speeds (using Treos) conducted on this site early this year found average CDMA 1x download speeds about 3x as fast as average GPRS speeds.
    Sprint's current rate is even cheaper than your $10 at $7.50 for unlimited vision service, but they are no longer allowed to activate this service on any pda/phone, or any phone with modem capability. Sprint can't touch T-Mobile's voice plans either.

    I was quoting the data speeds that Consumer Reports tested at a number of locations in like 16 different markets. CDMA 1x is faster than GPRS, maybe even 50%, but not 3x as fast. I don't know how the test was done by this site, but too many conditions can affect download speeds. If you put enough voice callers on a Sprint site you can stop the data throughput completely. If traffic is high on a GSM site, you may be sharing GPRS slots, or if signal quality is poor at your location, the coding scheme can change to a slower but more robust one.
  17. #17  
    The use of $10/mo Unlimited Vision plans with the Treo, or other similar devices, isn't, and never has been, prohibited. The only use that has ever been explicitly prohibited, to the best of my knowledge, was using your Vision phone as a modem for a laptop. Personally, I signed up for my new service (with unlimited data) directly with a Sprint employee with my Treo sitting right in front of him. If this was prohibited, I seriously doubt that, one, I would have been able to sign up for it to begin with while registering my phone at the same time, two, that it would show up as a valid plan option on my my.sprintpcs page and, three, that you can continue to select these plans for smartphones and PDAs. Now, it could very well be, now that Sprint's Vision service isn't brand new anymore, that they're not offering the same $10/mo rate (or that it's only based on selecting a certain type of contract). Personally, I had this plan with the Treo 300, switched to the Samsung A500 after I broke my Treo and have talked to a Sprint rep about the rollout of the Motorolla phones based on Microsoft Smartphone - all throughout my plan has carried on seamlessly through the phones and there was no indication that, if I bought a Smartphone, that this wouldn't continue. As a side not, I should mention that I've been with Sprint for more than 5 years and have had many different types of plans - some with data, some without.
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    Unlimited data on Sprint is $15/mo unlimited. Just check the HS website for a plan.
  19. #19  
    Originally posted by RMitch
    I don't know how the test was done by this site, but too many conditions can affect download speeds.
    Here is the story on how speed measurements were made. They were made by forum members using the program bmeter and submitted to TC for compilation and analysis. Could be some cheating going on...but I doubt whether Sprint users cheat more than GPRS users. Anyway, the tests weren't done in a lab...they were real world speeds measured by people like you and me on their Treos. And I remembered wrong...CDMA1x speeds were 4.5x faster than GPRS, on average. To be fair, though, at least when web surfing, Blazer can't render pages nearly as fast as they can be downloaded, so the Treo's processor is the speed-limiting factor, not the WAN bandwidth.
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    Originally posted by scrinch

    Here is the story on how speed measurements were made. They were made by forum members using the program bmeter and submitted to TC for compilation and analysis. Could be some cheating going on...but I doubt whether Sprint users cheat more than GPRS users. Anyway, the tests weren't done in a lab...they were real world speeds measured by people like you and me on their Treos. And I remembered wrong...CDMA1x speeds were 4.5x faster than GPRS, on average. To be fair, though, at least when web surfing, Blazer can't render pages nearly as fast as they can be downloaded, so the Treo's processor is the speed-limiting factor, not the WAN bandwidth.
    I read the study, and I must admit, that not owning a Treo 270, I never realized that it had a 2+1 GPRS modem. Being rated at 2.5 KB/sec., is less than half the speed of the 4+1 GPRS modem in the GSM version of the Treo 600. I can't believe HS ever released the Treo 270 like that. I guess they actually release it with no data, and a free software upgrade to GPRS later. I got a test phone from Motorola a year before the Treo 270 came out, and it was a 3+1 phone, that they updated to a 4+1 before they put it on the market. The only 2+1 phones I have ever used were WAP capable only, where you don't need any extra speed. The Treo 270 was probably very dissappointing browsing the web at 20kbps.
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