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  1.    #21  
    At this stage of the release I seriously doubt that Handspring is going to change the Treo 600. But it would be nice (if anyone at Handspring reads this site) would give some feed back or maybe some ideas on how to solve this problem with out voiding the warranty. I could careless about the camera part so it is no problem to me to disable the lens permanently. I just don't like it to void the warranty.
  2. #22  
    I disagree with the comments about camera phones and businesses not mixing in general. The last project I worked on at my day job supported business users who went out to the field with tablet PCs to survey businesses for risk exposures (for insuring). Part of their job included taking digital photos of specific problem areas. Theoretically, a Treo 600 with a custom-designed application could handle much of what they needed all in one tiny unit.

    For those who want a Treo 600 but have security issues at their workplace, I'd simply suggest disabling the camera in one way or another and showing it to your security personnel to get the "OK" from them. I don't imagine that the camera circuitry adds much to the cost (especially considering that it probably takes lousy photos), so a separate cameraless version would probably not cost much less, if at all.

    Scott
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
  3. #23  
    Treo600G, were are you?..... :shortcut:
  4. #24  
    I sent a question to Handspring on this very subject and this is what I got back:




    Dear ************,


    Thank you for contacting Handspring. I appreciate your interest in the Treo
    600 Smartphone. Unfortunately, there will not be a version that will not
    include a camera. At this point, I am not aware of a way to disable the
    camera, either. I would suggest that you email tech support using the
    following email address regarding that question:

    support@support.handspring.com

    I am sorry that I do not personally have that information. If you have any
    further questions, please feel free to call me at 888-565-9393 extension
    21394.



    Regards,
    Christian
    Handspring Sales


    So now I will wait to see what I get back from support.
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by hannibal1209b
    I sent a question to Handspring on this very subject and this is what I got back:




    Dear ************,


    Thank you for contacting Handspring. I appreciate your interest in the Treo
    600 Smartphone. Unfortunately, there will not be a version that will not
    include a camera. At this point, I am not aware of a way to disable the
    camera, either. I would suggest that you email tech support using the
    following email address regarding that question:

    support@support.handspring.com

    I am sorry that I do not personally have that information. If you have any
    further questions, please feel free to call me at 888-565-9393 extension
    21394.



    Regards,
    Christian
    Handspring Sales


    So now I will wait to see what I get back from support.
    go ahead and ask them when we can be expecting the cdma sprint 600 treo
  6. #26  
    God why cant phone manufacturers ever get it right!

    Add me to the list of people who want a Treo 600 (despite reservations), but simply cant because the courthouse out of which I work prohibits cameras.

    A camera phone should be a CONSUMER toy, not an unremovable feature on a corporate, business, smartphone.

    They never get it right.
  7. #27  
    I really think something may/should happen?

    This "tool" is too powerfull not to be used by people like you due to the camera. The Govenment sales were good too for them I assume?

    I don't see why they can't have a mail in deal, were you send them the phone, they disable the camera (remove it from the board, or better yet, do a board swap (be sure you back up your 600 and then do a hard reset, and then you can hotsync the "new"one) and new rear case with the hole not there for free or a minimal fee.

    If you want the phone bad enough, I don't think having to wait a week for a turn around time is bad.

    Or do like Valentine One does ( http://www.valentine1.com/ ) http://www.valentine1.com/upgrades/ )) does and have another one staged and as soon as your phone hits, a new (not refurb) phone, that has the camera diables goes out same day.

    Or best of all, have these Treo600G ones, already done, in small quanitly and instead of going to Sprint to buy, you buy direct form HS. I bet they could even ad a $19.99 extra fee for it (do to the work) and it would still be fine by most.

    Just thinking outloud...Matt:shortcut:

    Note: I am sending my 8 year old V1 in this week to have updated. For $279, I get a brand new to me one, with warranty

    For those that don't know, the Valentine One, is made/designed by Mike Valtentine, the man who was part of, if not the man, behind the original Escort Radar detector. The V1 is so advanced, it's more of a radar locator, then a radar detector.

    The V1 is the Treo600 of the radar locator/detector world IMO
  8. #28  
    They should invent something like a springboard where you can plag in a camera if you want one. Just kidding, I think this is driven too much by the larger market and the carriers where camera phones are taking over. In japan, camera phones are so common.
  9. #29  
    Originally posted by Burkhardi
    I don't see why they can't have a mail in deal, were you send them the phone, they disable the camera (remove it from the board, or better yet, do a board swap (be sure you back up your 600 and then do a hard reset, and then you can hotsync the "new"one) and new rear case with the hole not there for free or a minimal fee.
    I doubt you'll ever see that happen, but there may be an opportunity for a third party to offer a replacement rear case with no cut-out for the camera. Then you'd still be able to use the camera down the road by swapping out the case but it should pass muster (at least inspection) in areas that prohibit cameras. I think many secure areas technically prohibit cell phones anyway, so there may be less of a market for devices without the camera since USG would ban the cameraless phone anyway. In reality, at the U.S. embassy I was posted at, everyone from Ambassadors on down would discretely use their cell phones in their offices.

    -Merrick
  10. #30  
    There have been three instances I can recall over the past week where I thought. "wow I wish I had the Treo for the camera" because I saw something or someone that I wanted to snap.

    If you don't like the camera or it isn't allowed at work, then maybe the Treo isn't for you. How many jobs are cameras really NOT ALLOWED?

    Get another phone if the camera isn't for you.
  11. #31  
    For you guys who think Handspring should make (or should have offered initially) a 600 without a camera, and that they're just ignoring a whole part of the market that doesn't need/want cameras - c'mon, give 'em some credit. Don't you think they already hashed through hours and hours of debate and stacks and stacks of market analysis reports, in their product marketing design meetings?
    "Let's see - the amount of users that WILL use a camera, and who WILL drive up their ARPU (avg revenue per user, for the carriers - after all THEY are the real customers here) is X".
    "OK then, the amount of users who are banned from cameras in their work place due to gov't or other security restrictions is 2% of X. Meeting over."

    YOU may not like the decision, and YOU may feel slighted, and YOU may want an option, but the hard reality is that Handspring, as with anyone, and you all know this, has to make the decision that is relative to the OVERALL market. And the overall market wants camera phones right now, right or wrong, agree or disagree.

    I'm sure they talked about it and just went on.
  12. #32  
    Originally posted by nrosser
    For you guys who think Handspring should make (or should have offered initially) a 600 without a camera, and that they're just ignoring a whole part of the market that doesn't need/want cameras - c'mon, give 'em some credit. Don't you think they already hashed through hours and hours of debate and stacks and stacks of market analysis reports, in their product marketing design meetings?
    "Let's see - the amount of users that WILL use a camera, and who WILL drive up their ARPU (avg revenue per user, for the carriers - after all THEY are the real customers here) is X".
    "OK then, the amount of users who are banned from cameras in their work place due to gov't or other security restrictions is 2% of X. Meeting over."

    YOU may not like the decision, and YOU may feel slighted, and YOU may want an option, but the hard reality is that Handspring, as with anyone, and you all know this, has to make the decision that is relative to the OVERALL market. And the overall market wants camera phones right now, right or wrong, agree or disagree.

    I'm sure they talked about it and just went on.
    Exactly.

    If you can't eat meat, don't walk into a steak house.
    If you can't stand FM radio. get XM.
    If you can't bring a phone into work with a camera, get one WITHOUT a camera.

    Choices.... wow.
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    Lets face it guys. The camera is being added because it can be done technologically, economically and makes sense as part of business plan with major carriers. This is not unique to pda phones and smart phones, many phone only devices are incorporating cameras and video recording capabilities for use on the major networks.

    I can see very valid business and personal reasons why a camera would be good to have on your person all the time. There are many sociological issues and practices that will result. Can you imagine what kind of privacy, exposure and publicity will be the result when anyone and everyone can "film" anything and everything. Like any other technology it can be used for good or evil. There was a recent story of a girl who was about to become a victim of a crime and was able to twart off here attacker after snapping a quick image of the attacker on a phone equipped with a camera. I can only imaging how this technology would be used by the evil side of society.

    Either way, the technology is here and we must live with it. Sorry if this reads philosophically, but I am excited and worried about the implications of this at the same time.:shortcut:
  14. #34  
    I am not saying that I think a camera on a phone has no place. All I am saying is that unless I am mistaken, this device is being aimed at the business user. There are a lot of businesses that are banning camera phones for whatever reason. There are a lot of us who are stuck with Sprint. Since Sprint will not allow any phones besides the ones that they approve on their network, we are limited to 3 "smartphones". The i330 is being phased out for the i500. Neither one has the features that a lot of people have. The Treo 300 is being replaced by the Treo 600. So basically it is a choice of the i500 or the Treo 600. Since I can't have a camera phone, I am limited to the i500 unless I just defy the rules. That phone does not have the features that I need. So that's why I am saying that there should either be a way to disable/remove the camera, or offer a model without it. I can utilitze the camera, but since this phone is mostly for work, I need another option.
  15. #35  
    Maybe once number portability takes effect you could switch carriers?
    "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer."
  16. #36  
    Originally posted by hannibal1209b
    I am not saying that I think a camera on a phone has no place. All I am saying is that unless I am mistaken, this device is being aimed at the business user.
    Personally, it seems to me more like it's not being aimed at business users. This thing is a swiss-army knife phone that includes all the hot features that your average Joe Consumer might want (such as a camera, or the ability to play MP3's and send SMS). I never really thought of it as purely a business device. But maybe that's because I'm not a business user... the Treo is my regular phone and I use it on a daily basis.
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    Hannibal,

    Are you stuck with sprint because of an existing contract, company plan, want to keep your # or do not want another carrier?
  18. #38  
    The reason this is often considered "targeted for the business market" is because of the price. Average consumers aren't going to shell out $500 for a phone when you can get smartphones with similar capabilities for between $0-250.

    Scott
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
  19. #39  
    Originally posted by j$hort
    Hannibal,

    Are you stuck with sprint because of an existing contract, company plan, want to keep your # or do not want another carrier?
    The main reasons are the existing contract and the need to keep my current #. I have no love of Sprint, even though they have the most affordable plans in my area. When number portablility becomes a reality, I will consider other carriers. My major problem now is that I have been holding on to my i330 which is very quickly going down the tubes. I was going to go for the i500, until I compared price to feature set. Then I decided to go the Treo 600 route. Of course the policy about camera phones came out about 5 months ago, but I wasn't aware of it until a co-worker got smacked down for having one. Such is my luck in life!
  20. #40  
    Looks like someone recognized the market need. Read the article on zdnet....
    -ricochet

    http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5074852.html
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