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  1.    #1  
    Hi,

    I am the developer of TAKEphONE, and want to adopt my s/w
    for this device.

    I can not download the simulator & rom from Handspring site.
    Can anyone send it to me ?
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com
  2. #2  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    Hi,

    I am the developer of TAKEphONE, and want to adopt my s/w
    for this device.

    I can not download the simulator & rom from Handspring site.
    Can anyone send it to me ?
    Did you fill out the application to become a Handspring developer?
  3.    #3  
    Originally posted by letsgoflyers81


    Did you fill out the application to become a Handspring developer?
    Yes - I am a registered developer.
    I think it has something to do with the fact I am not from the US.
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com
  4. #4  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE


    Yes - I am a registered developer.
    I think it has something to do with the fact I am not from the US.
    Oh, OK. If no one else can try in the mean time, I'll register tonight when I get home from work and see if I can send it to you.
  5. #5  
    Am also from outside US and appreciate if you also can send me the simulator ..

    Ryker

    ryker_jr@yahoo.com
  6. #6  
    Originally posted by ryker
    Am also from outside US and appreciate if you also can send me the simulator ..

    Ryker

    ryker_jr@yahoo.com
    The simulator is around 24mb so I'm not going to be able to send it via e-mail. FTP, IRC, AIM, or ICQ would work.
  7.    #7  
    Originally posted by letsgoflyers81


    The simulator is around 24mb so I'm not going to be able to send it via e-mail. FTP, IRC, AIM, or ICQ would work.
    OK - Installed ICQ.

    Let me know what's next...
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com
  8. #8  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE


    OK - Installed ICQ.

    Let me know what's next...
    Well like I said, it'll have to wait until I get off work. I should be home in about 7 hours or so. Then I would need your ICQ number and I could transfer the files over to you. Oh, do you need the Windows or Mac version?
  9.    #9  
    Originally posted by letsgoflyers81


    Well like I said, it'll have to wait until I get off work. I should be home in about 7 hours or so. Then I would need your ICQ number and I could transfer the files over to you. Oh, do you need the Windows or Mac version?
    I need the Windows version.
    If you can - email me when you are ready, and I will send you my icq no. and activate it (my email - shimon@shsh.com).
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com
  10. #10  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE


    I need the Windows version.
    If you can - email me when you are ready, and I will send you my icq no. and activate it (my email - shimon@shsh.com).
    No problem, I'll let you know as soon as I'm ready.
  11. #11  
    Originally posted by letsgoflyers81


    No problem, I'll let you know as soon as I'm ready.
    I know everyone's about helping someone out, but just so you're aware, if there are export control laws on the software, and you it outside the States, you are breaking a law.
  12. #12  
    Originally posted by mikec


    I know everyone's about helping someone out, but just so you're aware, if there are export control laws on the software, and you it outside the States, you are breaking a law.
    Good point, I'll check out Handspring's site to make sure.
  13.    #13  
    Originally posted by mikec


    I know everyone's about helping someone out, but just so you're aware, if there are export control laws on the software, and you it outside the States, you are breaking a law.
    Yes - letsgoflyers81 - that's what it says when I try to download it from the Handspring site.

    What does it mean ?
    What does a Treo simulator have to do with export laws ?

    Does that mean that the Treo itself can not be sold outsode the US ?

    because they do sell Treo 270 here at Israel...
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE


    Yes - letsgoflyers81 - that's what it says when I try to download it from the Handspring site.

    What does it mean ?
    What does a Treo simulator have to do with export laws ?

    Does that mean that the Treo itself can not be sold outsode the US ?

    because they do sell Treo 270 here at Israel...
    For the answers to that, check your PM.
  15. #15  
    Originally posted by mikec


    I know everyone's about helping someone out, but just so you're aware, if there are export control laws on the software, and you it outside the States, you are breaking a law.
    The simulator contains SSL encryption (built into OS 5.2.1). I believe that this is probably the issue with downloading it outside of the US.
  16. #16  
    Originally posted by sgruby


    The simulator contains SSL encryption (built into OS 5.2.1). I believe that this is probably the issue with downloading it outside of the US.
    Yep...that is exactly the issue...here are a few tibits from the DOC FAQ:

    ---
    Internet Posting and Sales
    22. For Internet exports, what constitutes reasonable and sufficient screening procedures to implement any restrictions that do exist under the regulations on exports to foreign government end-users?
    The web site must be configured to check the Internet Protocol (IP) address of the person requesting the encryption product for transfer or download to ensure that the requester's address is not a foreign government domain name. In addition, the receiver of the encryption download or transfer must indicate that the software is not intended to be used by a government end-user. The web site must also inform the receiver or requestor the software is subject to the EAR, and it cannot be transferred without a license or other authorization. See Section 734.2(b)(9)(iii).

    23. Does posting encryption source or object code on the Internet constitute an export under the EAR?
    Yes, it can as the definition of the export of encryption source code and object code software under the provisions of section 734.2(b)(9) includes such action. For publicly available source code under sections 740.13(e) and 740.17(b)(4)(i), while such source code is exempted under section 734.2(b)(9)(ii) and (iii), and is thus not subject to those provisions (including screening procedures), the source code nonetheless remains subject to the EAR. Please note that section 734.2(b)(9)(i) defines "export" to include the actual shipment, transfer, or transmission out of the United States or transfer in the United States to an embassy or affiliate of a foreign country. For all other encryption source code and object code software, posting constitutes an export unless the person making the software available on the Internet takes precautions to prevent unauthorized transfers.

    24. Does the mere posting of publicly available source code establish knowledge of any prohibited export or reexport?
    Posting of publicly available source code on the Internet (e.g., FTP or World Wide Web site), where it may be downloaded by anyone, would not establish "knowledge" (as that term is defined in the EAR) of a prohibited export or reexport, i.e., an export or reexport that would otherwise require a license. Such posting would not trigger "red flags" necessitating the affirmative duty to inquire under the "Know Your Customer" guidance provided in Supplement No. 3 to Part 732. Compliance with EAR requirements as to prohibited exports and reexports (see the General Prohibitions in Part 736) still apply. So, for example, a license would be required for you to e-mail or directly transfer such source code to a national located in a prohibited country (e.g., Sudan) or to a prohibited end-user (e.g., an entity listed on BXA's Entity List found at Supplement No. 4 to Part 744).

    25. Would posting to a "newsgroup" site fall within the types of eligible Internet posting methods for publicly available source code eligible under Section 740.13(e), License Exception TSU?
    Yes. The listing of eligible Internet postings described in License Exception TSU, e.g., FTP and World Wide Web site, is illustrative in nature, not exclusive.
    ---

    Full link here:
    http://www.bis.doc.gov/Encryption/Q&A18oct.htm#1
  17. #17  
    Originally posted by mikec


    Yep...that is exactly the issue...here are a few tibits from the DOC FAQ:

    ---
    Internet Posting and Sales
    22. For Internet exports, what constitutes reasonable and sufficient screening procedures to implement any restrictions that do exist under the regulations on exports to foreign government end-users?
    The web site must be configured to check the Internet Protocol (IP) address of the person requesting the encryption product for transfer or download to ensure that the requester's address is not a foreign government domain name. In addition, the receiver of the encryption download or transfer must indicate that the software is not intended to be used by a government end-user. The web site must also inform the receiver or requestor the software is subject to the EAR, and it cannot be transferred without a license or other authorization. See Section 734.2(b)(9)(iii).

    23. Does posting encryption source or object code on the Internet constitute an export under the EAR?
    Yes, it can as the definition of the export of encryption source code and object code software under the provisions of section 734.2(b)(9) includes such action. For publicly available source code under sections 740.13(e) and 740.17(b)(4)(i), while such source code is exempted under section 734.2(b)(9)(ii) and (iii), and is thus not subject to those provisions (including screening procedures), the source code nonetheless remains subject to the EAR. Please note that section 734.2(b)(9)(i) defines "export" to include the actual shipment, transfer, or transmission out of the United States or transfer in the United States to an embassy or affiliate of a foreign country. For all other encryption source code and object code software, posting constitutes an export unless the person making the software available on the Internet takes precautions to prevent unauthorized transfers.

    24. Does the mere posting of publicly available source code establish knowledge of any prohibited export or reexport?
    Posting of publicly available source code on the Internet (e.g., FTP or World Wide Web site), where it may be downloaded by anyone, would not establish "knowledge" (as that term is defined in the EAR) of a prohibited export or reexport, i.e., an export or reexport that would otherwise require a license. Such posting would not trigger "red flags" necessitating the affirmative duty to inquire under the "Know Your Customer" guidance provided in Supplement No. 3 to Part 732. Compliance with EAR requirements as to prohibited exports and reexports (see the General Prohibitions in Part 736) still apply. So, for example, a license would be required for you to e-mail or directly transfer such source code to a national located in a prohibited country (e.g., Sudan) or to a prohibited end-user (e.g., an entity listed on BXA's Entity List found at Supplement No. 4 to Part 744).

    25. Would posting to a "newsgroup" site fall within the types of eligible Internet posting methods for publicly available source code eligible under Section 740.13(e), License Exception TSU?
    Yes. The listing of eligible Internet postings described in License Exception TSU, e.g., FTP and World Wide Web site, is illustrative in nature, not exclusive.
    ---

    Full link here:
    http://www.bis.doc.gov/Encryption/Q&A18oct.htm#1
    Yeah, looks like that explains it. So much for developers outside the US for the time being...
  18. #18  
    Exporting strong encryption outside of the U.S. violates federal export regulations. I suggest that development software be obtained from HS and not thru this board.
  19. #19  
    a couple of days ago I downloaded the simulator off Handspring's developer web site. Since I live in Germany it wasn't possible for me when it first came out. Now it works...

    andreas
    treopolis -the German treo site

    Now in beta testing: treopolis 2.0
  20.    #20  
    Originally posted by treopolis
    a couple of days ago I downloaded the simulator off Handspring's developer web site. Since I live in Germany it wasn't possible for me when it first came out. Now it works...

    andreas
    Well - I guess the US goverment trusts German people more than Israeli.....

    Still blocked here.
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
    Web: http://www.shsh.com/products
    Blog: http://www.shsh.com/wordpress
    eMail: contact@shsh.com

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