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  1. #21  
    Interesting... According with treostore web page the pre ordering is only available in Spain, Portugal, Germany and Italy. I really wonder why they have chosen these countries ( I am particularly happy as spanish resident).

    About the price, yes it seems higher than the 400-500 USD but we are talking about free phones, a year ago when Treo270 came out in Europe the price in handspring UK page was 699EUR, so the treo600 price does not seem out of bounds (although I would prefer a more reasonable price).

    BTW I have already signed on for preordering, I could not resist the temptation.
  2.    #22  
    Originally posted by bmacfarland


    It's also rated at 2.5 hours talk time and 100 hours standby. Those are far less what I've read elsewhere.

    Maybe Treostore.com is wrong. It doesn't seem like they are officially Handspring, just a reseller.
    It seems that this Treo 600 spec sheet was created by editing the Treo 270 specs. Someone forgot to remove some remaining 270 info at the bottom. You can go to www.handspring.it for the correct specs.
  3. #23  
    In my experience European prices for electronics (laptops, digital cameras, even my 270) are generally AT LEAST 25% more expensive than U.S. prices.

    Cheers
  4. #24  
    I found a FreeTranslation site to translate the text from Italian to English for link provided by silverado:

    A smartphone incredibly being able
    Treo™ 600 was planned to exploit the advantages of the nets GSM/GPRS that supply swift connections for email, web browsing, messaggistica and other mobile functions. It offers an entire integration with the telephone page for the I recall and the composition of the number directly dall’elenco of the contacts, the possibility of to perform instantaneous searches for name all’interno of the contacts and l’uso of alarms polifoniche.

    Keyboard QWERTY and navigator to five directions
    The keyboard QWERTY integrated of Treo 600 is ideal for compose messages and email and is insuperable in the to do telephone calls: you can seek the name wanted in the page and to carry out the call in little passages or to compose the number with the numerical tastierino. The central navigator to five directions allows to run you across applications, menu and numbers without to have ever the necessity of to touch the screen, facilitating l’uso with an alone hand. It is the keyboard that the navigator I am retroilluminati, easy from vision and to use also of night.
    Fotocamera integrated and screen to colors

    With the shining screen to colors of Treo 600, I make a will and graphic art I am more readable. To play, to look at the photograph, to sail in Internet: all will result more amusing and colored. With the fotocamera VGA integrated, you can fly off to the flight photography, to review them on the display to colors of your Treo and to send off them to who desires.

    Expansion SD/MMC
    It personalizes Treo 600 to adapt it to your specific requirements means the slot of expansion SD/MMC. You can add memory, applications and other still. You can do a back up, secure and swift, of your data. You can add further functionality hardware across cards SD THE/OR (input/output).
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  5. #25  
    Originally posted by thorny
    In my experience European prices for electronics (laptops, digital cameras, even my 270) are generally AT LEAST 25% more expensive than U.S. prices.

    Cheers
    Of course European published retail prices include VAT and American printed prices do not include taxes. So if something cost 1000 units (Euros, dollars, whatever) in the US, its listed price will be 1150 units in Europe.

    For those of you that don't know, in Europe they include the sales tax in the price as displayed while we Americans do not.
  6.    #26  
    Originally posted by KRamsauer

    ...

    So if something cost 1000 units (Euros, dollars, whatever) in the US, its listed price will be 1150 units in Europe.

    ...

    In the UK, that something would cost 1175 units!
  7. #27  
    According to this link

    http://www.cellulari.it/html/arcmaga...Darticolo=5538

    e-motion (aka. http://www.treostore.com ) will have the exclusive distribution in Spain Italy and Portugal, and the first units will be delivered in September. The price of 899EUR includes taxes and has not been decided yet ("... al prezzo suggerito di 899€ (IVA inclusa) ..." ).

    About the price I do agree that usually prices are 25% (or even more) higher in Europe than USA, but I dont think this is only a tax issue but a marketing issue.

    Is there any information about pre-ordering from other continents?
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by silverado

    In the UK, that something would cost 1175 units!
    I thought the VAT was an even 15%. Guess that's what happens when you don't see the tax added on, you don't fully understand how much the government is taking from you!
  9. #29  
    19% in The Netherlands.

    Originally posted by KRamsauer
    I thought the VAT was an even 15%. Guess that's what happens when you don't see the tax added on, you don't fully understand how much the government is taking from you!
  10.    #30  
    Originally posted by KRamsauer
    I thought the VAT was an even 15%. Guess that's what happens when you don't see the tax added on, you don't fully understand how much the government is taking from you!
    They usually print the percentage VAT on every receipt... that 17.5% was unforgetable!
  11. #31  
    Originally posted by margnoz
    Interesting... According with treostore web page the pre ordering is only available in Spain, Portugal, Germany and Italy. I really wonder why they have chosen these countries ( I am particularly happy as spanish resident).

    Those are among the European countries without an Orange subsidiary. Orange has surely negotiated exclusivity for the UK, France, and the other Orange Countries
  12. #32  
    The italian site says this is 11.2x6x2.2cm, so 6cm is 6/2.54 is 2.36 inches wide. That is still super fat in my opinion. Still a brick, and still a geek phone. It even looks fat in all the pictures. I feel that Jeff can still make this phone narrower, by making the screen narrower, and keys. Look at the Nokia 3650 for example. 2.2 inches wide, but it is still wide, but it is a really popular phone now, a lot of my friends have it already, and are clicking away w/ their pictures of cute girls and stuff. Pictures of other stuff too, but that is one competent and fun phone. I can see it's appeal. Looks stylish too.

    So I'll prolly be more excited about the Treo 700, IF and ONLY IF, they make it less than 2.1 inches wide, which wont be that hard. Make the buttons narrower, make the screen narrower. No big deal, not much sacrifice. If the Nokia can pull it off, so can Handspring..of course having a higher resolution would help too At least that of the Nokia 3650, if they can't reach 320x320. Then it will appeal to youngsters as well as business people. That would double your revenue..duh.
  13.    #33  
    You're comparing real experience with a bunch of pictures. I'd reserve judgement until you see, hold and use the phone.

    And the size of a phone is not dictated by its buttons and screen alone. There is lots of stuff inside that needs room. Smaller buttons are less useable, smaller screens are less readable, etc, etc. Many tradeoffs need to be made to get a device that balances usability, size, function. Wait till it comes out. If you don't like it then, buy a Nokia.

    On a side not, it's kind of funny how you talk as if "Jeff" is the only person who works at HS that has anything to do with the design of the device
  14. #34  
    As far as size, the 600 may be big for a phone, but one has to consider that it is also a PDA and regardless of its size, it is still easier to carry around this instead of both. My current Treo 300 fits easily in my pocket and goes with me everywhere. I had a tiny Nokia a while back and a Palm M515. The palm usually ended up staying in the car or at home on my desk because I hated carrying both.

    The Nokia 3650 is small, but it's not a PDA so really, how can you compare? Let's see Nokia take a 3650 and put all the features of a 600 in it while not making it any bigger and then maybe you'll have an argument. Carrying a PDA and a Nokia 3650 would more cumbersome than a Treo 600 so I really don't see the comparison.

    Furthermore, I am looking forward to the MP3 capability as well...now a 3rd item I will not have to carry separately. The camera (like the Nokia) is nice but it will not make up for a true camera when I know I am going to want quality pictures. However, there are many times when it will be very convenient to have so, a 4th item that I don't have to carry around. Hey, and what'ya know...I can do it all while only worrying about one battery to charge.

    Could the Treo 600 be made smaller? I don't know...according to the articles, they've used every last bit of space in there to make it as small as it is. I'm sure new technologies will lead the way to a smaller device, but when does small become too small? If anything, I'd like to see it collapsible in some way like the Palm Tungsten. Perhaps the jog button and launch buttons could slide over the keypad instead of a graffiti area (or vice versa) like the Palm when not in use. Who knows, maybe with the merger we eventually may.

    So, too big and maybe a geek phone? Personally, I could care less what others may think about it. It fits my needs and that's all I care about. I for one, cannot wait for the Treo 600!!!
  15. purpleX
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    #35  
    As far as size, the 600 may be big for a phone, but one has to consider that it is also a PDA and regardless of its size, it is still easier to carry around this instead of both. My current Treo 300 fits easily in my pocket and goes with me everywhere. I had a tiny Nokia a while back and a Palm M515. The palm usually ended up staying in the car or at home on my desk because I hated carrying both.
    Too big for a phone, too small for a PDA.
    Is it a bird or a fowl?
  16. #36  
    In my eyes, it's the perfect combination of both. I guess it depends on your level of use with either product if the tradeoff is acceptable or not.
  17. #37  
    > ...Too big for a phone, too small for a PDA.
    > Is it a bird or a fowl?

    In the opinion of some of us out here - and strictly speaking in nongeek financial terms - it will be a turkey as were all the other TREOs released to date.

    I guess that makes it "foul", no?
  18. #38  
    Well, turkey or not, I don't give a hoot!

    So I guess that makes it an "owl" ?


    Anyway, in terms of sales, it probably will be a turkey. Among the public, there still does not really appear to be a big demand for these phone/pda combos yet and it will probably be some time before there is, if at all. So for now, the Treo will remain a niche product.

    Turkey or not, the 600 is still better than a 300!
  19. purpleX
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    #39  
    for the truely brilliant company, demand is created, not found.
  20.    #40  
    PDA sales have been in steady decline due to market saturation. People are not changing their PDA's as fast as the manufacturers want them to. Palm/HS is betting on enticing PDA users to upgrade by buying a new phone and carrying one device instead. So, for this product to succeed, there needs to be a strong marketing campaign that not only focuses on the phone market, but that gets PDA users excited about changing their existing PDA's as well.

    It seems that HS has a MUCH better marketing campaign underway for the 600 than the previous generation. Let's hope they continue doing it and doing it well. Only then do they have a chance of getting this device the sales that it deserves.

    I think it's very possible. When the Pilot came out, no one expected it would revolutionize the hand-held industry that had been struggling to get started for years. No one thought Apple could survive this long. Stranger things have happened.

    Also, don't forget that Turkeys are hot items during Thanksgiving and the whole holiday season
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