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  1.    #1  
    Boy, the market is going to be crowded this fall!! Check out the new NEC e808Y being offered by 3, the UK's first video-mobile network:

    Mobilemag article
    NEC press release
    The Register article
    M-tech

    Suddenly the Treo 600 doesn't look so unique anymore. It's like almost a replica of the Treo 600?! Also, its being marketed as a "mobile video" headset. The specs are pretty impressive:

    Dimensions
    143 x 75 x 20mm ~ ( in comparison the Treo 600 is ~ 112 X 57.4 X 22mm)
    -thus the Treo 600 will be significantly smaller

    Weight
    190 g

    Display
    65,536 TFT colour
    132 x 162 pixels
    46 x 57mm


    Camera
    Dual front/back camera
    2x digital zoom
    Memory
    64MB dynamic memory
    500 contacts


    Battery
    up to 3 hr talktime
    up to 70 hr standby
    Features
    MMS
    Qwerty keyboard
    Dual mode 2G/3G
    2x built-in cameras
    384 kbps data capable
    Video calling
    Video recorder
    Video playback
    Voice dialling
    Voice recorder
    Java games
    Polyphonic ring tone


    Any thoughts?
    Last edited by Gaurav; 07/15/2003 at 06:54 PM.
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    But it is for a specialized network in the UK. Not really a competitor. And can you imagine the cost!!
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    My question would be, what OS is it using? My guess is it might be something proprietary. We all know that the number of useful applications available for a given PDA/Smartphone depends on the OS it uses.
  4.    #4  
    Originally posted by alex_mathews
    My question would be, what OS is it using? My guess is it might be something proprietary. We all know that the number of useful applications available for a given PDA/Smartphone depends on the OS it uses.
    If you read teh Mtech link, it says it supports Java...thus there should be tons of compatible apps...
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    Wow... Impressive device. Treo 600 needs to get to the market soon!

    Interestingly, this "mobile video" device has worse resolution than the Treo 600 (pixels/inch)!! It does have better color depth though.

    For my use, the Treo has got it beat on the size, OS, and (probably) usability, given HS's experience with thumboard communicators and track record.

    Treo: 4.41 x 2.36 x .87
    e808Y: 5.62 x 2.95 x 0.79
  6. #6  
    Originally posted by Appleman
    But it is for a specialized network in the UK. Not really a competitor. And can you imagine the cost!!
    Interestingly, here is a blurb about the price from The Register article.
    The NEC e808Y, a non-folding version version of the NEC e808 3 UK already supports, costs from 49 with a contract. We can't see many people buying a phone without a contract - the full price is 449. Which goes to show the huge discounts that 3 is prepared to offer to grab punters.
  7. #7  
    Originally posted by gfunkmagic


    If you read teh Mtech link, it says it supports Java...thus there should be tons of compatible apps...
    In theory yes, but I think there are more Java games than actual applications available for mobile phones.
  8. purpleX
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    #8  
    uh look, it has 132x162 screeen, but of course the darned thing is bigger than the iPAQ h1945. In fact it's bigger than Samsung i700.


    h1945: 6.71 (4.46"x 2.75"x 0.50") 4.23 oz.

    Treo: 4.41 x 2.36 x .87
    e808Y: 5.62 x 2.95 x 0.79
  9. purpleX
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  10.    #10  
    Originally posted by silverado


    Interestingly, here is a blurb about the price from The Register article.
    Yeah the thing is ridiculously expensive! It comes out to ~$727 USD w/o a contract!

    Anyway, does anyone know exactly what kind of network 3 uses in the UK? Is is UMTS or just gprs?
  11. #11  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    btw, I am surprised nobody has mention this one.

    http://www.mobile-review.com/exhibit...nec/e808-2.jpg
    http://www.mobile-review.com/exhibit...nec/e808-3.jpg
    I've seen them demo'd in London malls. A person would stop you in the mall and make you participate in a live video conference with his/her partner. It was cool. But I really had no interest whatsoever in getting one at this time even if I could use it at home. I guess I'm too pragmatic and I can't see this increasing my quality of life one bit. In fact, it would actually just use up my time trying to shoot more scenes to send to poeple just to "use" my new toy.

    The keyboard model was too big, and I rarely saw anyone pay much attention to it compared to the other.
  12.    #12  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    btw, I am surprised nobody has mention this one.

    http://www.mobile-review.com/exhibit...nec/e808-2.jpg
    http://www.mobile-review.com/exhibit...nec/e808-3.jpg
    That NEC e808 is actually an older version. The e808Y is supposed to be the follow-up to that model. You can actually get the e808 free with the right plan in the UK:

    http://m-tech.mobiles.co.uk/three-3g-nec-e808-3.html

    However, I think I like the flip e808 better b/c of the smaller dimensions. Again, does anyone know what type of network 3 uses? You apparently cannot transfer a SIM card for a 3 handset, you have to buy a handset and SIM card together. That's pretty odd for an European provider isn't it?
  13. purpleX
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    #13  
    They got all wrong about 3G. High speed wireless is about internet. It's the whole infoteinment caboodle, from news, game, online shopping, messaging, file exchange etc...

    video phone is not in public mind yet.

    that's why I think Nokia won't last, they are taking the slow boat to offer full internet service on their phone. They don't seem to have coherent strategy and the urgancy to transform their phone beyond voice and lightweight apps.
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by gfunkmagic
    Boy, the market is going to be crowded this fall!! Check out the new NEC e808Y being offered by 3, the UK's first video-mobile network:

    Mobilemag article
    NEC press release
    The Register article
    M-tech

    Any thoughts?
    As with all Treo "clones" this one has one major flaw. Its QWERTY keyboard has a QWERTY-style row of numbers neatly arranged along the top row of the keyboard instead of a telephone-style number pad. This set up is great for touch-typing typing with both hands -- not so great for one-handed phone dialing.
  15. #15  
    Originally posted by purpleX

    video phone is not in public mind yet.
    i think your wrong. the next treo (after 600) must have video conferencing. it will increase revenues for carriers. i think video conferencing on phones will be the killer app that entices the general pop. to upgrade to a smart phone. then after that you will get all the other apps that can make our lives easier.

    talked about this subject in

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...threadid=34689

    the treo 600 is a huge step forward; now next step is to put another lens in front for video conferencing. increase megapixels, and screen resolution. I am convinced that HAND must have video conferencing on the next treo. Even grandmas would use a treo for that.

    ...get carriers to go 3G and u've got a true communications device. (including internet, email, etc.).

    oh yeah, throw in bt

    then as 3G takes off and broadband internet becomes cheap enough for mass market ($20/month), will we be doing something like this? . . .

    youve got your phone, watching tv, commercial comes on, you click a button on your phone and it takes you to that co's website (highspeed) and you navigate around the we page using your phone (dpad) - on your tv screen - and u can buy the item or whatever (your phone has your personal info on it that allows u to make electronic purchases).

    anyways what do u think?
  16. purpleX
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    #16  
    sorry, but treo 600 does not have the CPU power to process video conferencing, nor does the OS is capable of handling such task. On top of that, nobody has video conferencing application written for POS.

    the camera can't even record moving image, not to mention it points at the wrong direction for video conferencing capability.

    treo600 is just another organizer phone and far from 'a huge step' forward compared to what we know other phones are capable of.

    anyway, how about something basic first before leaping into jetsonian video phone. Can treo do simple video streaming? This is half the task of video conferencing....

    can it even PLAY standard video streaming format from memory? hmmm...

    let's pray somebody in Palm is actually do something about this instead of keep singing "It's not zen, you don't need that", while the rest of the world moving by and have wireless interactive TV already....
  17.    #17  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    sorry, but treo 600 does not have the CPU power to process video conferencing, nor does the OS is capable of handling such complex task. On top of that, nobody has video conferencing application written for POS.

    the camera can't even record moving image, not to mention it points at the wrong direction for video conferencing capability.

    treo600 is just another organizer phone and far from 'a huge step' forward compared to what we know other phones are capable of.
    Ska,

    If you read his post, he was referring to Handspring's next treo after the Treo600 series. But you are correct ( did I just say that?) about the Treo600 not being desinged for video conferencing. If it had been, then it would have had specs more like the SGH-i500 (300mhz Intel PXA262 proc, high rex screen etc). Although even the screen rez on the SGH is questionable now. It also would have had either a rotating or dual camera sys for video conferencing...

    Also, you have to realize this is not just a matter of headsets. you also have to take into account the type of wireless infrastructure involved. The only reason 3 network is able to offer these features is b/c they built a new network specifically for this purpose. MobileBurn did an excellent review of the NEC e606 on 3 network, which btw is owned by Hutchison Whampoa. They have some amazing looking videos at the end of the review mimiching what the quality of content on the 3 Network should look like with the e606! It very impressive stuff indeed! It's like reading a review from a different planet, that's how advanced some of these headsets seem in comparison to stuff in NA!! Thus you can't really blame Nokia, HS etc for not rolling out super video headsets b/c outside of Japan's NTT Docomo and 3 etc, there aren't any networks that are capable of doing so. I don't think we'll see a Treo-ike video mobile headset until real 3G hits NA. That could either be UMTS or 1xEvDv (from sprint), who knows. But that is still a min 2-3 yrs away AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK.
  18. #18  
    Originally posted by purpleX

    video phone is not in public mind yet.

    Maybe not in the US, but here and in europe and japan it is...

    They have the 3 phones here too (havent seen this model though) I think it uses GPRS...
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  19.    #19  
    DOH! It seems I may have spoke too soon! It appears there may be a video service for PalmOS pda's afterall!! Check out thsi story published in the siliconvalley internet news:

    San Jose, Calif.-based Thin Multimedia Friday said it has launched a new mobile video "Download & Store" service with the help of South Korea-based SK Telecom (Quote, Company Info) specifically designed for their Palm PDA-based wireless network.

    Subscribers will be able to tap into content such as movie trailers, music videos, and animation. At the outset, SK Telecom will offer the content and service for free with gradual plans to develop fee-based services around premium contents.

    SK Telecom plans to launch a marketing campaign in August 2003 to advertise these services.

    The service will initially use Samsung's MITs M330, running Palm 3.5...
    http://siliconvalley.internet.com/ne...le.php/2234471

    It doesn't mention the network type, but I think we can assume its cdma since its in South korea. Anyway, what cool is that its compatible with OS 3.5!!
  20. #20  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    sorry, but treo 600 does not have the CPU power to process video conferencing, nor does the OS is capable of handling such task. On top of that, nobody has video conferencing application written for POS.

    the camera can't even record moving image, not to mention it points at the wrong direction for video conferencing capability.

    treo600 is just another organizer phone and far from 'a huge step' forward compared to what we know other phones are capable of.

    anyway, how about something basic first before leaping into jetsonian video phone. Can treo do simple video streaming? This is half the task of video conferencing....

    can it even PLAY standard video streaming format from memory? hmmm...

    let's pray somebody in Palm is actually do something about this instead of keep singing "It's not zen, you don't need that", while the rest of the world moving by and have wireless interactive TV already....
    Okay PurpleX,

    I won't debate video conferencing capability because I agree that the Treo 600 was not designed to do it. (...and Craig wasn't really talking about the existing Treo 600).

    However, you say that the Palm OS is incapable of doing it. I take exception to that statement. How do you know? Are you a programmer? Are you a developer? Have you designed any part of the Palm OS? You say it as if you are some kind of authority on what the Palm OS can do.

    Now if it's YOUR OPINION that the Palm OS is not optimized for video conferencing, you're entitled to your opinion, but you should say that it's your opinion, not state it as if it is some kind of proven fact. If it's proven, what's your source?

    As far as "simple video streaming" is concerned, yes, the Palm OS can do it. In fact, there are products out right now that do it:

    FireProducer

    You seem to have a rather pessimistic attitude toward the Treo. I've observed you bash it at every turn. You have nothing good to say about it. All you have are insults and derogatory statements to say about it.

    If you don't like the Treo, that's your choice. Buy something else. It's one thing to offer constructive criticism. It's quite another to make statements that have no basis in fact or experience. You've been asked this before and haven't answered: Do you even own a Treo of any kind? or any Palm OS device, for that matter? If you don't, then your opinion is suspect, at best.

    In any case, whatever your problem with the Treo is, I hope you find something (anything) POSITIVE to contribute in future discussions. The confrontational manner in which you post is quite childish.
    Last edited by Insp_Gadget; 07/16/2003 at 05:31 AM.
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