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  1. #21  
    Er, getting back to the original topic...which I sort of vaguely recall... Anyway, I was looking at the Tungsten C and even the W and they do both have very impressive screens. Even compared to the new Ipaqs, which are always touted as having beautiful screens, which they indeed do.

    Now that Palm has aquired Handspring and the Treo, and likely will make Treo into a whole range of models, I couldn't help but wonder if they'll continue to develop the W, make it maybe as nice as the C spec-wise, and display-wise, but keep the data connectivity in. This would fill a nice niche for those who want the emphasis on the PDA part of the convergence, but still want connectivity to a cellular network.

    I'm not sure what I will end up preferring in the long run myself--phone-centric or pda-centric. I currently carry 2 separate devices--a cell phone and pocket pc. I am eager to give the Treo 600 a try. I WILL miss having a large beautiful screen display. I will NOT miss dependence on a stylus for navigation and data entry. I know that right now. Maybe it's the height of laziness or decadence, but I hate to be bothered having to fish out the stylus to enter information or move through apps on my PPC. It would be especially irritating to me to have to depend on the stylus for any phone-centric functions.
  2. #22  
    Originally posted by monkeywithacold
    ...snip... It would be especially irritating to me to have to depend on the stylus for any phone-centric functions.
    I know what you mean. I've gotten VERY used to not having to fish out my stylus on my Treo 270. As a previous Visor Prism user, the stylus was like an additional finger for me.
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  3. #23  
    monkeywithacold

    I think it is inevitable that we will see higher res screens in the future. The way I look at it, it is kind of like the way I felt when I went from an iPaq PocketPC and a separate Nokia 8290 to a Treo 180. I remember walking down the street with a PPC in one hand and my phone in the other...then if I wanted to look up a number on the PPC I had to use the stylus which I would hold in my phone hand...boy what a mess that was!!!

    I was bummed to go backward to a low res black and white screen but completely stoked to eliminate the redundancy of carrying two items. With the Treo 600 I am kind of bummed on the 160x160 at 12bit but as the 270 replaced the 180 I am certain we will see a 680 or something supplant the 600...and then we will ALL really by stoked! I saw the screen on the Treo 600 and it blows away the Treo270 and Treo300 screens. As long as I can see it well outside I am happy.

    Also, I can’t emphasize how great the whole one handed, one thumbed operation of the Treo 600 is. It makes things so much easier and how ironic is it that the Casio PDAs that came before the Palm Pilots had a 5 way Nav and no stylus?

    Imagine being able to watch movies or DVRd TV shows on your Treo at 320 lines. It is going to be so cool.
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  4. purpleX
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    #24  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT


    PurpleX,
    Please stop your tolling behaviour, I know you can do better than that.
    Regardless of the quality of a product, if you start bashing it you'll get reactions like that... If I start bashing PPC (and trust me that is just as easy as trashing Palm) you'd react the same way too.
    There really is no point doing it except for attention seeking.
    If you want attention start a singing/acting carreer, but dont do it here.
    TC is known for its friendly atmosphere and we like to keep it that way.
    You are welcome to discuss things, providing you behave yourself..
    Consider yourself warned.

    Gfunk etc:
    Dont feed trolls, you all know better than that..
    I tell you what,
    you take down the article bashing iPAQ without base. Or give sensible explanation what's so bad about ipaq. (tho' that wouldn't be too much fun )

    and I'll quit comparing treo 600 against other product, which you seems so afraid of.

    Otherwise you just have to keep posting how great treo is, and end up with a mouthfull of lies and a complete explanation why treo is inadequate.

    don't worry, I can reduce my post to few senteces and a link and I would stil be able to say treo 600 is not what you say it is, and you would still be whining I am not saying the right thing.

    what you want to believe is "Treo is the greatest bar none" but it doesn't jibe with reality. You want to believe Handspring marketing spin regarding treo 600 shortcoming but again, it doens't jibe with the rest of the world.

    so, take your pick.
    (But I reckon you'll be scared about comparing treo against other product and shut everybody up anyway. You can't handle the truth.)
  5. purpleX
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    #25  
    Originally posted by gfunkmagic

    "non-comparables" so to speek? The 505i's are jp mobile's we'll never see in NA, so who cares. The TI wanda, i700 etc are all huge pda-phones
    I am sorry but the measurement doesn't say so. In fact treo 6000 is closer to small PDA like h1945, albeit stubbier, then average handphone. And I doubt posted treo length includes antenna.

    iPaq h1910 = 6.71 (4.46" x 2.75" x 0.50") 4.23 oz.

    treo 600 = (4.41" x 2.26" x 0.87") ~6 oz.
    TI Wanda = (4.63" x 2.93" x 0.79") 6.1 oz.
    SPVE100 = (4.73" x 1.97" x 0.91") 4.23 0z.

    which have totally different purpose than Treo600.
    It could be different purppose for you, but they are all smarpthones with main PDA functionality such as PIM, email, net, and various instalable apps. (there are no voice centric, data centric or whatever other centric like you post before. It's a wishfull thinking to fit treo into a unique niche)

    Try to find a comparable mobile equal to or less in size to at least Treo300.
    treo 300, is bigger than lenovo and TI Wanda, let alone smartphones. And i700 and XDA are comparable in size. See photos. Treo 300 is DEFINITELY not small. It's full size PDA, bigger than h1945.

    Thus if you look at the alternatives like Sereis 60 (176x208 pixels), SPV screen and other M$ smartphones (220 x 176) , they all have relatively comparable standard screen rez. The only notable exceptions of course are P800/P810 (208x320) and SGH (324x352) which leads me another point. Symbian and M$ smartphone (soon to be M$ mobile 2003) both have standard set-in-stone screen resolutions just like PPC.
    then you dont' know jack, as usual.
    Microsoft has changed the basic spec beyond 2k3 which will affect all product available after this year/2k4, smartphone 2k3 and on....

    my point about all the screen size? bigger screen is available, being used and has longer battery performance than the spin posted in this forum. in fact 160 by 160 is the smallest screen in the smartphone category! nobody else uses smaller size than the rather standard ~170 by 200

    For years PPC fans like you continuoulsy crowed about the superiority of your platform specifically b/c of the screen.
    there are only 2 product, the NX come with bigger screen. And unless you actualy believe that 2inches square screen is superior than 3-4 inch screen, then you only need to go compare the screen yourself. Yes it has sharper fonts, but it is also extremely limited due to various reasons.

    Well, as PalmOS adapted and allowed flexibility in this regard, M$ stagnated and remained at 240x320. Well guess what, all M$ is doing the same thing again with smartphones! At least the SGH proves you can have higher rez screens on a PalmOS smartphone! Can you be so sure that M$ will increase the standard rez?!
    I am sure you dont' know what you are talking about and just want to believe whatever you want to believe. (as usual)
    NX has BT, E100 doesn't exist, Wanda is only prototype, MS doens't change PPC spec.

    In the same vein Series 60 always have the same rez. That's why SE chose UIQ so it wouldn't be stuck making a Series 60 clone (as well as paying lisencing fees to Nokia). In comparison, various palmOS smartphones have various resolutions: GSL Zircon/Onynx (176 x 240), Treos, SPH-i500 (160x160) and aformentioed SGH.
    you are inflating a basic multiplication of 160 by 160 and claiming flexible resolution control of the OS, which is not the case. very ingenious.

    And there is no report if Onyx is using standard UI/API, which makes one wonder if any software can run. IF that is thecase, heeck .net can support more screen res than you can name Palm product.

    Thus, it totally conceivable that Handspring may eventually include a higher rez screen in the "Treo600 family" later on.
    so what. Everybody does that. changing the color of the case, putting different logo and changing skin.

    And no, let me assure you it won't be different design. Handrping won't be able to push down cost if they do that.

    But that isn't necessarily so with M$ mobile is it? I predict just like PalmOS superceded PPC in screen rez, so will PalmOS smartphones in time! Anyway that's my take...obviously positively slanted but resonable IMO.
    predict or wishfull thinking? Palm can't even change the resolution beyond multiplication of 160 yet. And anything other than 320 is Sony proprietary API.


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  6. purpleX
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    #26  
    Originally posted by JakeE
    I remember walking down the street with a PPC in one hand and my phone in the other...then if I wanted to look up a number on the PPC I had to use the stylus which I would hold in my phone hand...boy what a mess that was!!!
    lemme refresh your memory how to look up number in PPC:
    -hit address hard button (contact listing is up)
    -If contact is not on first page, hit ABC TAB

    all the above are finger operated,
    name, address, phone are on contact list, click on name for more detail. No stylus is needed.

    You want to believe treo is so good that bad, you start making up stories.

    Also, I can’t emphasize how great the whole one handed, one thumbed operation of the Treo 600 is. It makes things so much easier and how ironic is it that the Casio PDAs that came before the Palm Pilots had a 5 way Nav and no stylus?
    -what you do with treo screen is more than doable on other handheld
    -what you can do with thumboard are can be substituded with better options.

    in the end all you can say is, tactile, treo have tactile, while ignoring completely various trade off that makes PDA that much more functional.

    Imagine being able to watch movies or DVRd TV shows on your Treo at 320 lines. It is going to be so cool.
    except no movie/TV is naturally made for square screen, and watching full length movie on treo 600 with standard .mpeg/.avi format is still in the realm of imagination. (no, mmplayer is not set up for 160 by 160)
  7. #27  
    From the mmplayer website;

    MMPlayer may skip frames in order to keep up with the audio stream if the video size is too large. As a general rule it doesn't skip frames at 160x160
  8. #28  
    Gotta love people, like purplex, who can't stand anyone not thinking the way they do. I bet you think anyone who doesn't support the war should be taken out in the street and shot too right?
  9. #29  
    Originally posted by purpleX


    I tell you what,
    Excuse me? Last time I checked I was the moderator, not you...

    Originally posted by purpleX

    you take down the article bashing iPAQ without base. Or give sensible explanation what's so bad about ipaq. (tho' that wouldn't be too much fun )

    <snap>

    so, take your pick.
    (But I reckon you'll be scared about comparing treo against other product and shut everybody up anyway. You can't handle the truth.)
    First of all, I dont like your blackmailing methods. And let me get you out of the dream, that is not the way things work. If you want something you can ask politely of you can keep quiet.
    Second, I did not write the article, so adress your request to the proper person.

    This is your final warning, clean up your act or go play elsewhere...
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  10. #30  
    Originally posted by Insp_Gadget


    I know what you mean. I've gotten VERY used to not having to fish out my stylus on my Treo 270. As a previous Visor Prism user, the stylus was like an additional finger for me.
    I'm envious! At times I have been tempted by the 300, but I will hold out until the 600 is out.

    Yeah, JakeE, like you I'm having to do the balancing act with the 2 devices. Not to mention remembering to keep both charged and keep track of the battery left in each during the day.

    Assuming it would be possible to view video on a 600, though, I'm not sure I would. To be sure, it's a cool idea. It's just that I know how I use my PDA and my cell phone and I don't think that's a use I would put the 600 to at this point in my life. But there was a time, when I was on the go a bit more, that it would have been a nice distraction. I am looking forward to the MP3 capabilities though. I love listening to MP3s on my pocket pc. Not often enough to justify purchasing a stand-alone MP3 player, but enough that I'm really jazzed that I'm going to own a cell phone that is also a PDA and an MP3 player. Playing a few games will be fun, too. Nothing elaborate. Just a few puzzle games.

    I also enjoy e-books. I think the rez will be sufficient for that. I am perfectly happy with what I have seen of e-books on the 300.
  11. #31  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    you want to pay $500 bucks plus service for 6 months to own a "prelude for what is to come"?

    why own the prelude when you can own the actual thing to come at cheaper price?

    Things to come, Christmas.
    TI phone
    This is at best a reference design. I notice you didn't say Christmas of what year. I'd bet you'd do good to see one by Christmas 2004.
  12. purpleX
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    #32  
    Not according to Digitimes, Christmas of '03, along with SPV2.
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