View Poll Results: Buy a 600 now? Why?

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  1. #21  
    I voted no... but not because I don't think it's a great improvement. I would just wait until the sky-high initial price drops a bit.

    The screen resolution is fine... I'm not using a laptop here. And the battery life on the treos still beat powerpc devices hands down.

    The lack of a flip cover is fine. It won't break off and I'll use a case anyway. (I wonder what the EB or Piel Frama cases will look like? )

    The addition of more internal memory, more speed, and especially the SDIO slot are clear winners.
  2. #22  
    I voted yes............Subject to change when the final production units specs get finalized. I have to say I will be very disapointed if the final unit has a 160x160 low res. screen!
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  3. #23  
    I voted YES, but only after my i330 breaks and before the arrival of PCS version of SGH-i500.
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    #24  
    i love my treo 300. if i didn't already have it, i would definitely get the treo 600. the only advantage for me to upgrade is maybe the 600's smaller size. i would have to fondle it in person to really decide. the 300 is just a bit too wide to fit in my tiny pockets. the 600's lack of a flip screen does concern me. i like how the 300 screen is protected & how it curves around my head nicely when i use the phone.
  5. #25  
    I voted yes/si/hai/da/oui because of the reduced size, brighter screen, SDIO expansion, camera, and one-piece design (the 300 is my first and last clamshell phone).
  6. #26  
    I voted not sure. At <$300, I would. If they price it at $500, I'd expect to use it for at least 2 years, and that won't happen without 320X320.
    (All subject to change when I see the actual thing).
  7. #27  
    I've got two coworkers with smartphones. One has a Tungsten W, the other has a Kyocera 7135. I've got a Treo 300.

    Now, I've also got a laptop with a pretty tight resolution, probably about 130 pixels per inch, but that's an extreme case, and relies on Active Matrix tech, a backlit screen, etc.

    *If* we cut that screen down to only have a 320x320 resolution, it would be over 2.4 inches wide. You're asking for a 160 pixel per inch display in an inexpensive handheld, when not even Palm or Sony are doing that (their displays are just over 2 inches wide, minimum. Note that the W is *wider* than the existing Treos.)
    Given the fact that the Treo 600 screen is probably slightly under 2 inches wide, that makes the screen resolution even more unlikely.

    Anyone who wants a device that small with a 320x320 screen is simply hoping for too much. It would be impressive enough if they attempted to make it 240x240, all scaling issues aside. 320x320 would only work by cramming it into the existing Treo case and cutting away almost all of the border to accomodate it.

    With all that in mind, I'll buy it if I can afford it.
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by RaptorCK
    I've got two coworkers with smartphones. One has a Tungsten W, the other has a Kyocera 7135. I've got a Treo 300.

    Now, I've also got a laptop with a pretty tight resolution, probably about 130 pixels per inch, but that's an extreme case, and relies on Active Matrix tech, a backlit screen, etc.

    *If* we cut that screen down to only have a 320x320 resolution, it would be over 2.4 inches wide. You're asking for a 160 pixel per inch display in an inexpensive handheld, when not even Palm or Sony are doing that (their displays are just over 2 inches wide, minimum. Note that the W is *wider* than the existing Treos.)
    Given the fact that the Treo 600 screen is probably slightly under 2 inches wide, that makes the screen resolution even more unlikely.

    Anyone who wants a device that small with a 320x320 screen is simply hoping for too much. It would be impressive enough if they attempted to make it 240x240, all scaling issues aside. 320x320 would only work by cramming it into the existing Treo case and cutting away almost all of the border to accomodate it.

    With all that in mind, I'll buy it if I can afford it.
    Again, as I have repeatedly pointed out in the other thread, this is NOT true!! There definitely are devices out there with smaller screens that the forthcoming Treo600 with 320x320 resolutions! The prime example that eveyone conveniantly and consistantly forgets is the Samsung SGH-i500 which will have a 320x320 TFT tranflective screen, almost certainly smaller than the Treo600!! Thus it IS possible!! Why does eveyone rountinely keep overlooking this example?! It's getting very tiresome hearing sooo many Handspring apologists continuously try to rationalize the "technical impossibilty" of having such a screen! If you're fine with the 160x160 screen, then great! Just try to argue HS's reasoning on the basis of cost, power savings, or comparisons to other devices like the SPV, or whatever else you can thing of. But PLEASE DO NOT say it is not technically feasible because IT IS!!!! IT IS! IT IS! ITS!!!! *sigh* Okay, thats enough of my rant, but I had to point that out.
  9. #29  
    I LOVE my T300 But I also Love the enhancements of the T600.
    Keyboard, flip over to protect the screen great phone-to-palm integration. I would like some of the features that have been overly posted for the past four months. So for me to be 100% T600 I want everything the T300 has plus the T600 upgrades.
    Are YOU Palm/HS folks listening to all those wishlist post?

    Europe does not like flip phones (I'm told)
    US likes flips (mostly)
    Treos are the only and best phone/pda of its kind with a built in keyboard, well at least for now. (including Tunsten AT&T lock)


    So to meet both needs and to keep us traditionalist; why don't you provide a detachable FLIP cover which will allow US T300 folks to still enjoy the flip form but have the new feature without regret.

    This can be easly done by a cover which will snap into the headset plug and give a clamshell form factor.
  10. #30  
    Umm... no.

    Preliminary SGH-i500 specs:

    *Palm OS 5.2
    *Integrated Camera, .3 Megapixel
    *embedded flash
    *32MB RAM (just the second Palm OS device to have more than 16MB)
    *32MB ROM
    *Two LCD displays
    *324 x 342 pixel resolution TFT main screen, 65k colors
    *96 x 64 pixel, 256 color front dispaly
    *MMS Client/WAP Browser
    *RF BAnd - 900/1800/1900
    *Class 8 GPRS
    *Weight - 5.3 Ounces
    *3.5 x 2.3 x 1 inches
    *SDIO SD slot
    *Intel PXA262 300MHz processor

    Key information: 2.3 inches wide. This is from googling around, around of course, and can be slightly inaccurate. Their website reports a 54mm width, which is closer to 2.1 inches, so it's a tossup.

    Also, note: I mentioned "inexpensive" as one of the Treo criteria. This is how HS made money at all, by cutting corners. The 1st Gen Treos didn't *need* SD, removable batteries, cameras, secondary LCDs, bluetooth, or polyphonic ringtones (I consider the 300 to be their second-gen product) to sell.

    Toss a 320x320 LCD into a smartphone, and you'll never see a combined Sprint/Amazon discount that'll get you a $100 Treo.

    The key words here have been "unlikely" and "inexpensive." This is only due to the form factor, of course. If HS made an even wider Treo, a 320x320 screen would be a trivial addition on the cheap.
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    #31  
    I got a 180 in Feb 2002 and just went to a 300 last month.
    I initially went with the Treo to get 2 devices in one package. I have that now, so I don't feel any pressure to change yet.

    When the Treo came out, the market was really clear of a product quite like it--that's no longer the case. I don't think the new Treo will garner the almost self-abusive devotion many of us have had with our Treos (I went through 4 Treo 180s and all the headaches simply because when it works it's a great product).
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  12. #32  
    But getting the same screen in a smaller form factor is also very cool.

    Same with the flip: I like it, but if they can make a screen durable enough to sit in my pocket without one and thus reduce the size by 25% (and the risk of breaking hinge), I'm all for it.

    I would have liked to see better screen resolution for using Win-Hand and email; but smaller size, SD slot and faster processor are all big hardware improvements.

    BTW, I'll get it or something like it in a year or so, my 300 still has some life left in it!
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  13. #33  
    I voted NO because I think it is time to stop supporting the release of these little plastic boxes with life expectancies of only a year or so. We should start requiring developers to produce devices with at least 5 year life cycles. This hardware thng has gotten to be like PC software where patch and update and new versions, at ever increasing cost to consumers just keep coming. Only a few release truly great products the first go around.
    My stable of high-tech devices includes a PPC 1 which is virtually worthless but still has a display that is hundreds of times better than any Palm device, a Samsung I-300 which was probably the worst cell phone I have had in 15 years and of course my Treo 300 which I do like but wish the developers would just upgrade it, not make me buy a new model.
  14. #34  
    I voted no (not at the moment).

    I bought a Treo because it gave me email, phone and Inet.
    My Treos (180/270) do exactly what I want so I really can't justify the cost v enhancements.
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  15. #35  
    The new Treo look too much like a smart phone then a palm.

    The palm functionality was the main reason for purchasing the Treo, Not a Cool Phone.

    The phone and wireless connectivity where extra.

    I think the new treo will also be geared more toward Phone Function "with Sprint Ringers, and Downloadable game" then with palm function. Probably making it almost useless as a palm.

    I wait to the Phone come out and check the Review, but from the way it's look I will go with he Palm Tung W.
  16. #36  
    The Tungsten W looks impressive at first, I agree. But look at the facts.

    The W is huge compared to the 600. It is much wider and much heavier. Yes, it has a better screen, but its a BRICK.

    Furthermore, the W can't even be used like a normal phone. You have to use an earpiece to use it as a telephone. That's inconvenient and stupid.

    Now we know why Palm had to buy Handspring...their engineers don't know how to develop a practical convergence device.

    I'll be spending my hard-earned $500 on the Treo 600.
    Last edited by Stickman; 06/14/2003 at 01:12 AM.
  17. #37  
    Originally posted by Stickman
    The Tungsten W looks impressive at first, I agree. But look at the facts.

    The W is huge compared to the 600. It is much wider and much heavier. Yes, it has a better screen, but its a BRICK.

    Furthermore, the W can't even be used like a normal phone. You have to use an earpiece to use it as a telephone. That's inconvenient and stupid.

    Now we know why Palm had to buy Handspring...their engineers don't know how to develop a practical convergence device.

    I'll be spending my hard-earned $500 on the Treo 600.
    Different Strokes for different folks

    I never talk on my Treo without the Ear Piece "makes you look stupid".
    The Treo 300 was not wide enough to use the Keyboard effectively, now the new Treo is even smaller. "Donít plan on using the Keyboard.

    I really don't see What the Big deal with People and Weigh of Portable Device 3.5oz versus 5.0oz "no big deal",

    In the Article talking about the new Treo, someone said, the first Treo was around 80% palm and 20% phone; this new model is more like 60% and 40%. I don't want the Newest Smart phone, I want Data functionality, and a device that Put the Palm feature First "not the useless camera, or Downloadable Sprint games and RingeTone".

    Just my Opinion
  18. #38  
    Originally posted by ClarenceCM3


    Different Strokes for different folks

    I never talk on my Treo without the Ear Piece "makes you look stupid".
    The Treo 300 was not wide enough to use the Keyboard effectively, now the new Treo is even smaller. "Donít plan on using the Keyboard.

    I really don't see What the Big deal with People and Weigh of Portable Device 3.5oz versus 5.0oz "no big deal",

    In the Article talking about the new Treo, someone said, the first Treo was around 80% palm and 20% phone; this new model is more like 60% and 40%. I don't want the Newest Smart phone, I want Data functionality, and a device that Put the Palm feature First "not the useless camera, or Downloadable Sprint games and RingeTone".

    Just my Opinion
    Have you even tried out the Treo keyboards? I couldn't imagine using a handheld without one now. Have you ever tried holding a briefcase with your left hand, while jotting yourself a reminder on your handheld one handed? I can't imagine even imagine how I can get a stylus out of the slot, much less write with it with one hand while I try to walk.
  19. #39  
    Originally posted by conflagrare


    Have you even tried out the Treo keyboards? I couldn't imagine using a handheld without one now. Have you ever tried holding a briefcase with your left hand, while jotting yourself a reminder on your handheld one handed? I can't imagine even imagine how I can get a stylus out of the slot, much less write with it with one hand while I try to walk.
    Doesn't the Palm Tungsten have a keyboard.
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  20. #40  
    Why wont I buy a Treo 600?

    1. Screen reolution too low
    2. No bluetooth: will have to have earphone with wires
    (I do not want to sacrifice my ONLY SD slot for a bluetooth card)
    3. Camera lens without cover
    4. Camera not rotating (like Samsung 1700)
    5. No flash with camera
    6. Screen size could have been bigger
    (some say it is even smaller than T300?)
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