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  1. #21  
    Originally posted by MrSandman
    I'm sure the situation varies somewhat from airline to airline. But on American, they will not let you use the Treo 300. It even states in their inflight magazine that no cell phone equipment is to be used anytime, even in game mode. One time, a flight attendant personally made me shut it off, insisting that even in "wireless mode off," it is not "an approved device." I still use in inflight but manage to hide the attena.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in the future, as devices such as the Treo gain popularity and are used by more people.
    That's odd on American I always use my Treo to play games and write emails (not sending). They merely ask me if the phone is on. I say no the phone part is on I'm just using the Palm part. They always say ok, just make sure the phone stays off until we land and reach the gate. However, I fly first class frequently.
  2. #22  
    Originally posted by KRamsauer
    Something tells me they don't do the same for Blackberries.

    True, the blackberries are phones now and I would think the whole wireless capabilities of a BB make them equally as "dangerous". They just don't have that dang antenna.
  3. #23  
    Originally posted by BrianV


    That's odd on American I always use my Treo to play games and write emails (not sending). They merely ask me if the phone is on. I say no the phone part is on I'm just using the Palm part. They always say ok, just make sure the phone stays off until we land and reach the gate. However, I fly first class frequently.
    Not that I see any correlation, but I always fly first class too. (No, I'm not a multi-millionare but get upgraded virtually 100% of the time.) Clearly, some flight attendants take the cell phone rules more seriously than others. In fact, it was on an American Eagle regional jet, (all one class,) that I received the biggest hassle. Go figure.
  4. #24  
    Getting a reliable cellular signal when above 10K feet is tough. So even if they allowed you to phone/email, I don't think you would be able to get much accomplished except during takeoff and approach (the most critical parts of the flight).
  5. #25  
    I would just tell Them it's a GameBay SP our something, they don't know.

    As for Electronic Device, a Digital Watch is a Electronic Device, why don't they make you shut that off also.

    As for the Noise you hear on Clock or any type of Radio, that only happen When you are Send or recieve Data or Voice, Airplane Mode Stop all that, That why it call Airplane Mode

    next time instead of Say you turn Wireless mode off, Say I turn it on Airplane mode, and Show them the User Guide.

    If they allow people to use laptops they can't stop you form using you Treo
  6. #26  
    Well it just happened to me again, this time on Southwest. Trust me, I am not flaunting the thing and passing it around. They are on the lookout for them. This attendant knew exactly what it was and the answer was NO.

    I did not put up a fight and have to go through "Anger Management".

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    #27  
    Originally posted by mikec
    I've used mine several times on many flights, and never have a problem, esp if wireless mode is off.
    They don't want to have anyone using anything electronic, even though there is ZERO evidence that use of ANY consumer electronic interferes with the avionics of a plane.

    New FAA rule my arse...just lazy, uninformed airlines.
    Well, speaking as a pilot, I can say that yes, definitely, consumer electronic devices can interfere with a plane's avionics. Not always, but some devices some of the time can have a significant impact on an airplane's avionics.

    On my plane, I've had interference with both the comm system and the VORs (navigation system) from various electronic appliances. Believe me, as soon as that happened everything that wasn't FAA-approved got turned off ASAP.

    Having dozens and dozens of electronic devices operating --especially if they are radio transmitters (including Bluetooth)-- can turn a normal airplane, even big jets, into an experimental aircraft and make the pilots test pilots.

    --Bill
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by badler


    Well, speaking as a pilot, I can say that yes, definitely, consumer electronic devices can interfere with a plane's avionics. Not always, but some devices some of the time can have a significant impact on an airplane's avionics.

    On my plane, I've had interference with both the comm system and the VORs (navigation system) from various electronic appliances. Believe me, as soon as that happened everything that wasn't FAA-approved got turned off ASAP.

    Having dozens and dozens of electronic devices operating --especially if they are radio transmitters (including Bluetooth)-- can turn a normal airplane, even big jets, into an experimental aircraft and make the pilots test pilots.

    --Bill
    yeah what ever!!! All electronic Device must comply with the Fcc rule against harmful interfernce with other electonic Device.

    Radio Tranmission Device must comply with the FAA and FCC.

    People just get over carried away with thing.

    First you have to define Electronic Device "like I said a digital watch is Electronic",

    Last time I check Commerical Airplane were Multi million dollar piece of equipment, they can't shield against this stuff "My old 1995 dodge intrepid isn't affect by harmful electronic Interference LOL"
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  9. #29  
    I flew from America to China and it was not an issue. I used my 600 the whole time. WHen they had the electriocs blurb about wha tyou can use and not use, they said no cell phones and if your PDA/Smartphone can do more, you have to cleary show them that wireless is off.

    On the treo600, in the phone screen it says "Wireless mode is off", it don't get any clearer then that. Have you called the airlines and asked them?

    Like Brian, I used AA, perhaps they don't have their head in their....

    That must be very fustrating, when they say you can't use something you know you can.

    ALso, true, I don't need an anger managment class either...
    (just watch that movie last night)
  10. #30  
    Originally posted by drw
    I haven't flown since '87. What can you do with these things during flight?

    - laptop computer

    - tungsten T (it's not a phone, but can communicate via bluetooth)

    - handheld gps

    - handheld TV

    - laptop dvd player
    Laptop computer and laptop DVD player - You can use them as long as the plane is above 10,000 feet in altitude.

    Tungsten T, handheld GPS and handheld TV - can't use them at all.
  11. #31  
    Hi, I just got back from Vegas, on two different flights it was not an issue. I said it was not in phone mode and that was the end of the issue! take care, Jay
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  12. #32  
    I just flew on American from JFK to San Francisco and had no problems using my 300. I also found an interesting bit of information in their in-flight magazine. Towards the back is a list of acceptable electronic devices and it says that combined PDA/phones can be used as long as the phone is turned off and the flight attendant can verify that it is turned off.

    A good reason to fly American....
  13. #33  
    Originally posted by msugerman
    I just flew on American from JFK to San Francisco and had no problems using my 300. I also found an interesting bit of information in their in-flight magazine. Towards the back is a list of acceptable electronic devices and it says that combined PDA/phones can be used as long as the phone is turned off and the flight attendant can verify that it is turned off.

    A good reason to fly American....
    Still in Santa Rosa?
  14. #34  
    I, too, am a pilot, and would never allow anyone on board use any electronic device while I'm on approach to land. I don't have as many qualms about their use at other times, though.
    But then again, my airplane doesn't have any fly-by-wire systems, therefore there's a lot less that has the potential to be messed with, especially if I'm flying under Visual Flight Rules.

    Oddly enough, from what I've read, laptop comuputers are far worse culprits than any cell phone ever will be.

    If you're interested in reading up on this, there's a thread over at the SprintUsers site on this topic. It contains a nice link to an article or two buried somewhere in the thread.

    http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...light=airplane
  15. #35  
    So can GPS with a bluetooth connection be allowed on the plane?
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by SeldomVisitor
    The article on interference is the key, of course - any airline that isn't totally nuts would simply say "Okay, ban them before we get our asses sued right into bankruptcy!" whether or not the study is bogus.

    It should be noted - BTW - that the FCC is the one that says no cell phone use in the air and the FAA is the one that has minor restrictions on electronic device use in the air. The airlines themselves, pretty much, are the ones who decide when and what type of electronoic devices may be used in their airplanes, however.

    Anyone who has placed their PDA near an AM radio (direction finder in airplanes?) know what interference is.
    The FAA and FCC are both looking at new rules that will allow cell phone use in planes other than during takeoff and landing (above a certain altitude is the way the reg would be worded).


    (OT-anecdote - I date back to when computers were literally built by hand from chips, etc. I had a homebuilt computer WITH speakers on it - the amplifier for the speakers was on a board internal to the computer cabinet (an old two drawer file cabinet!). I could listen to the crosscoupled 'noise" on the speakers and tell pretty much what was happening on my computer (e.g., command-lookup, command execution, error routine invocation, etc))
    The first computer I ever programmed for was a vacuum tube IBM (I'm not quite that old--I was in college and it was already obsolete. We replaced it with a 370 a year later.) Anyway, we used to write programs that would play Christmas carols through an AM radio placed on top of the cpu.
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  17. #37  
    I fly on American all the time in first class and coach and use my Treo with no problem. I am asked if the phone is off and when I say yes they keep on walking.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by ruckus2k1
    So can GPS with a bluetooth connection be allowed on the plane?
    Yes, as long as they are not transmitting.
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    #39  
    I've never had a problem with a treo on any plane. But I thought the QANTAS safety card was interesting:
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    Could it be that the Aussie's have also banned welding masks?

    ...to the right of the Furbee
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