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  1. #21  
    For you who have been using Palm net 1.1, what is the battery consumption like on the Treo?
  2. #22  
    Well, I installed PalmNet 1.1 without problems. It works.

    I did have a dropped connection.

    As a backup internet access portal, this really is sound. Time to register...

    PalmNet may be a registered name for the Palm network used with the Palm VII.

    I suggest that another name be chosen...

    PhoneModem
    PhoneNet
    TreoModem
    TreoNet

    Just some ideas..
  3. #23  
    Originally posted by Smartphone Fan
    Well, I installed PalmNet 1.1 without problems. It works.

    I did have a dropped connection.

    As a backup internet access portal, this really is sound. Time to register...

    PalmNet may be a registered name for the Palm network used with the Palm VII.

    I suggest that another name be chosen...

    PhoneModem
    PhoneNet
    TreoModem
    TreoNet

    Just some ideas..
    TreoModem would be bad for 2 reasons...1) I think Handspring would not like it and 2) That was the previous name for WirelessModem and there are still references to it on the web.
  4. #24  
    Updated FAQs for PalmNet version 1.1, always check
    http://www.junefabrics.com/palmnet/faq.php for latest info

    Q: I have installed IrComm2k for my Windows 2000 before. Do I have to uninstall it first?

    A: Yes you do. IrComm2k for Windows 2000 conflicts with the PalmNet universal driver. You need to uninstall it before you install PalmNet. Although in version 1.1 we added a fix so that the installer will automatically detect IrComm2k and prompt you to uninstall it first, it might fail to do that depending on the version of IrComm2k you installed.

    Q: When I try to Hotsync it says "PalmNet is loading Hotsync Manager to perform Hotsync now and will unload it when finished" but then Hotsync failed.

    A: This could happen especially when your machine is slow. You can try to Hotsync again for a couple of times. If it still doesn't work, then you have to exit PalmNet everytime you perform Hotsync.

    Q: After PalmNet is connected it always says "PalmNet Modem Speed: 9.6Kbps", is it the true speed I am getting? What is the actual speed of a PalmNet connection?

    A: No, the 9.6K is a hardcoded value and is far from the fact. Our actual benchmark testing showed a much better performance from the built-in wireless modem of Treo 300 (and our users agreed). Very often the connection speed of the Treo modem is twice as fast as a 56K modem!
    However, don't forget you are on a "wireless" network, just like cell phone static, actual signal strength can have a great impact on the connection speed.

    Q: Sometimes I have to connect several times before a connection could be established, and sometimes I got disconnected

    A: Welcome to the wireless world. Have you ever got dropped-calls on your cell phone? Have you ever need to reconnect for your Blazer to work? Same reason here: wireless signals could be unstable, depending on a lot of factors: area, time, weather...

    Q: The PalmNet connection becomes non-responding after a long period of idl.

    A: Yes we have got a few reports on this as well and are investigating. It seems like the built-in modem need a periodical kick. Before we found a way around please simply disconnect and connect again. We might go with the solution to auto-disconnect PalmNet after long period of idle, good thing about this is that it will safe battery on the Treo.
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  5. #25  
    Originally posted by Eddie Hui

    Version 1.1 does not solve the IrComm conflict
    And don't waste your time to solve the conflict. AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK, $IrComm$ $cannot$ $co$-$exist$ $with$ $any$ $other$ $virtual$ $serial$ $port$. $I$.$e$., $it$ $is$ $not$ $PalmNet$'$s$ $fault$. $It$'$ll$ $be$ $nice$ $to$ $have$ $both$ $though$. $But$ $as$ $soon$ $as$ $I$ $get$ $a$ $short$ $USB$ $hotsync$/$charging$ $cable$, $IrComm$ $is$ $not$ $so$ $neccessory$.

    As for the battery life concern, why not PalmNet shut off the backlight, say, in 5 seconds? If the light is needed, it can be easily turned on by double-press of the power button.
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    Installed and worked fine out of the box...
    Win2K
    Treo300
    65K download at DSLReports

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  7. #27  
    Originally posted by Eddie Hui
    A: Yes we have got a few reports on this as well and are investigating. It seems like the built-in modem need a periodical kick. Before we found a way around please simply disconnect and connect again. We might go with the solution to auto-disconnect PalmNet after long period of idle, good thing about this is that it will safe battery on the Treo.
    Man, Eddie, you beat me on posting speed!

    FYI, all the vision phones share this same problem at slightly different levels. Someone once pointed out that was the nature of CDMA2000 network. Sanyo phones detect this and reset the connection but it usually took couple minutes - not a good solution. Samsung and LG phones don't detect this at all and users have to disconnect/re-connect manually. A workaround many use is "ping -t ", which keeps the connection active. The shortcoming is then no rings and all calls go right to mailbox, needless to mention the constant battery drain.

    An intresting thing I noticed: this problem is more often to see with a USB cable at very high connection speed (above 100K or so). The problem is far less to happen at relatively low speed (50K or so) with a serial cable or IrComm.

    Eddie, if you can figure out a good way to deal with this problem, that will be great! I believe you will, because you own the power of programming (other phones are all hardwired and you can do nothing about it, that's why I love Treo) and you already show us your great talent and hard working charactor.

    If you need me for anything such as test, please email me. I have played with many vision phones and I know Windows and its programming quite well. Unfortunately I'm totally new to Palm - Treo is my first Palm stuff.
  8. #28  
    Wow this is the "killer app" I think many people have been waiting for since the launch of the Treo 300 back in Aug 2002.

    However this could mark the beginning of the end for "Unlimited Vision". I can see myself using this as a backup for my broadband connection and occassionally on the road. What I fear is people will use their Treo for their fulltime broadband connection.

    Obviously everyone is fully within their rights to take advantage of unlimited data, but I doubt SprintPCS is going to take it for long.

    Anyone else think this, or am I crazy?
  9. #29  
    PalmNet 1.1 seems to be working fine for me so far. I've always been skeptical of the speeds I've been getting with my Treo, and have been waiting for an app like this where I can actually test the speed of the modem and not have the slowness of Blazer get in the way.

    Testing with http://speedtest.dslreports.com I get 28kbits download and 15kbits upload. I have 3 out of 4 bars in the signal strength meter. Could there be a problem with my Treo? I always see people saying they get 50k-100k and I have never seen that speed on mine. I'm in the Los Angeles area, and the speed in different areas (at home, at my office) always seems to be about the same...
  10. #30  
    Originally posted by nberggren
    Wow this is the "killer app" I think many people have been waiting for since the launch of the Treo 300 back in Aug 2002.

    However this could mark the beginning of the end for "Unlimited Vision". I can see myself using this as a backup for my broadband connection and occassionally on the road. What I fear is people will use their Treo for their fulltime broadband connection.

    Obviously everyone is fully within their rights to take advantage of unlimited data, but I doubt SprintPCS is going to take it for long.

    Anyone else think this, or am I crazy?
    You are not crazy at all, but I don't know you that well. What you can look forward to is a hefty bill at the end of the month or worse, service disconnection. The TOS is quite clear on this and I can tell you from first hand knowledge Sprint monitors bandwidth ussage. If you start to look like you are using SprintPCS as an ISP, you will find yourself, in time, without service.
  11. #31  
    Please stop this TOS stuff, which has been fully discussed in www.sprintusers.com. If you like to talk about it, go there. Without PalmNet, people can still use other vision phones as modems. Nothing wrong with PalmNet or WIrelessModem. Let rest of us focus on the PalmNet and help Eddie to improve it.
  12. #32  
    Originally posted by rgesler
    PalmNet 1.1 seems to be working fine for me so far. I've always been skeptical of the speeds I've been getting with my Treo, and have been waiting for an app like this where I can actually test the speed of the modem and not have the slowness of Blazer get in the way.

    Testing with http://speedtest.dslreports.com I get 28kbits download and 15kbits upload. I have 3 out of 4 bars in the signal strength meter. Could there be a problem with my Treo? I always see people saying they get 50k-100k and I have never seen that speed on mine. I'm in the Los Angeles area, and the speed in different areas (at home, at my office) always seems to be about the same...
    As I've said over and over again, speeds depend on time of day, location, signal strength, network congestion, etc. There are so many factors, the speeds go all over the place. There is probably nothing wrong with your Treo.

    For those that think that PalmNet gives them much better performance than WirelessModem, I think that this post really does show that not everyone is going to get great throughput. BTW, with WirelessModem back in January, I got over > 100 kbps while in San Francisco; I've never gotten that in San Diego.
  13. #33  
    Originally posted by Fixup
    Please stop this TOS stuff, which has been fully discussed in www.sprintusers.com. If you like to talk about it, go there. Without PalmNet, people can still use other vision phones as modems. Nothing wrong with PalmNet or WIrelessModem. Let rest of us focus on the PalmNet and help Eddie to improve it.

    Whoa slow down Fixup.

    I'm not saying this isn't a great product. Eddie is to be commended for his effort. All I'm saying is this tool makes it incrediablly simple to use your Treo as a wireless modem. Wirelessmodem worked but have you seen the length of that thread. It is not exactly easy to setup. I got it working with minimal effort but it's not for every joe six pack out there...

    PalmNet makes it super easy. The only thing holding people back is the $34 registration fee (which is still very reasonable).

    sprintusers.com does have at least some reports of people getting charged for data usage. SprintPCS doesn't exactly make this charge clear to users. There is a clause in the "unlimited vision" plan that mentions something about excessive usage. I don't have the exact wording in front of me but I remember reading it when I signed up.

    I was just making an observation.
    Last edited by nberggren; 03/17/2003 at 08:52 PM.
  14. #34  
    Yea! As I am sitting here at Dulles airport waiting for my flight, I decided to check out Treocentral from my Treo and this is THE best news I've heard all day! I am excited and can't wait to get home to try Palmnet out. Now what will I do with that serial cable I just picked up... From what I've heard from the replies, great job, Eddie
  15. #35  
    Originally posted by sgruby


    As I've said over and over again, speeds depend on time of day, location, signal strength, network congestion, etc. There are so many factors, the speeds go all over the place. There is probably nothing wrong with your Treo.

    For those that think that PalmNet gives them much better performance than WirelessModem, I think that this post really does show that not everyone is going to get great throughput. BTW, with WirelessModem back in January, I got over > 100 kbps while in San Francisco; I've never gotten that in San Diego.
    Based on my tests at very same conditions, PalmNet shows much better ping time, 296ms vs 761ms. For downloading large files, the speed I got with WM and PN are the same - 50K or so. At the same condition, Samsung A500 gave me constant 100K to 144K downloading speed, no matter how large the file is.

    So, if you want the fastest wireless modem, nothing beats A500. But if you want both, - a useful handheld and a handy modem, nothing beats Treo with WM or PN.

    nberggren, I did not mean your post and your comments on PN's very easy of use are very true. I just don't want to see un-related politics here and I want to see the great PN to be perfected. We're polishing a knife, not helping killing. Let's focus on the technical side.
  16. #36  
    This rocks! I just installed it on my 300 and my Dell Lattitude running 2K. I've got Streamer playing tunes, I'm chatting in IM, and posting this all at the same time. The taskbar icon says that I'm getting 9.6 kbps - not too shabby. The install was brainless. I could have used this a million times in the past.

    Dunc
  17. #37  
    Originally posted by Fixup
    Please stop this TOS stuff, which has been fully discussed in www.sprintusers.com. If you like to talk about it, go there.

    <snip>
    Hey man, chill out. Frankly, I for one couldn't care less what is on sprintusers.com Jeez.
  18. #38  
    Hmmm. DSLReports is claiming that I'm getting 72 kbps down and 22 kbps up. The OS is still insisting that I'm getting 9.6 kbps though. So somebody is way off. The connection is very snappy - I'm inclined to lean towards believing the higher figure.

    Dunc
  19. #39  
    Dunc, the "9.6" number is a very old issue - Windows assume everything is 9.6K if it gets a unknown response from a modem. That said, dslreport is not so accurate for wireless modems. Try download or ftp a 500K or so file and see what's the real speed.

    Maniac8888, no problem here, I just want us focus on the PalmNet as Eddie is doing a great job for us. Looking at the speed of his updates, I bet he's not been sleeping much in the last few days. It is not fair for us to bother him with the TOS thing but giving him constructive feedbacks.
  20. #40  
    ok i have to say fixup was right about the dsl reports thing look at this
    2003-03-18 00:13:58 EST: 10022 / 57
    Your download speed : 10022400 bps, or 10022 kbps.
    A 1223.4 KB/sec transfer rate.
    Your upload speed : 57895 bps, or 57 kbps.
    Your upstream result was very slow! .. not good
    Seems like broadband .. above the 1mbit barrier!

    that happend twice were the download speed was that high
    i just wonder why its doing that
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