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  1. #321  
    Loaded 99t...

    I think my initial comments were not clear. Sorry.


    1. when in 5-way mode pressing UP should bring you to the "tap to edit" label. Pressing SELECT should start edit.


    Yes, it does, but what I meant was the "note" field at the very end of the list of fields. Scroll all the way to the end and you will enter the note field, even if it is blank. Then, RR press to begin 5W, then RU press to highlight 'tap below to edit', then RD press to enter the note text field. This puts the curser at the very end of the text, which can be very far down. This is not good. It needs to go to the beginning of the note text. Now, RU and RD do nothing. RR and RL are good and navigate through the text right and left. Good, but RU and RD do not work, and if there is a lot of text, a real drag. And now, the 'Done' and 'Delete' buttons are not accessible, except by RR all the way to the end of the text. So, it's awkward at the moment.

    Also, is it necessary to select (rocker-center press) 'tap below to edit' in order to edit text? It would be simpler to have it work like this:

    RR to begin 5Way, then RU and curser lands on the beginning of text, not 'tap below to edit.' 'Tap below to edit' is the indicator for those who wish to (or can only) use the display. If you are using a rocker then it is better to bypass it. If possible, of course.


    2. Do you mean you tap the notes field while IN "5-way mode" ?


    The 'mayhem' I described appears to be fixed in 99t. The problems are only with # 1 now.
    Last edited by elysian9; 01/18/2004 at 06:07 PM.
  2.    #322  
    Hi,

    Version 5.05m 99u just posted at www.shsh.com/beta

    I think it addresses most of those issues.

    Note: when editing (Notes/ Edit/ Zoom) UP/DOWN will move pages from start to end, but will NOT move to buttons - "5 way mode" starts ONLY with RIGHT (or LEFT) presses.
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  3. #323  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    Hi,

    Version 5.05m 99u just posted at www.shsh.com/beta

    I think it addresses most of those issues.

    Note: when editing (Notes/ Edit/ Zoom) UP/DOWN will move pages from start to end, but will NOT move to buttons - "5 way mode" starts ONLY with RIGHT (or LEFT) presses.
    Much better.

    Findings for the dialog and fields we’ve been discussing:

    1. If I do not begin 5Way mode and just scroll into the note field:

    Once inside the note field this is what happens:

    RR, starts 5Way. RU puts the cursor at the beginning of text (good). RR and RL move text as expected (good). RD puts the curser at the end of text: a good idea but not a good thing at all for obvious reasons if you have lots of lines of text (like me).

    I suggest this for the cursor inside the text field: RD and RU move line by line (as expected), and option+rocker-down/up moves to end of text/beginning of text, respectively.

    Also, you now have it coded so that after starting 5Way and then a RU press, the cursor goes to the beginning of the text field (as I mentioned above). Then, a RL press moves to the button field. This is great. Do not change it. Similarly, if the cursor is at the end of the text field, a RR press goes to the button field. Great. Leave those as is.

    2. If I do begin 5Way mode before scrolling:

    It is not possible to enter the Note text field at all. Can this be changed so that, too, is possible?

    Thanks.
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    #324  
    The last 3 versions of TakePhone (s,t,u) have been driving me nuts!! Each time I try to use the FIND screen (the first, opening screen) to search for a name, my Treo 600 does a soft reset. If I use the keyboard to type in letters, it's fine, but if I use the on-screen letter pad I get a soft reset. The application is now unusable and it makes me want to scream!!!!

    I have even tried a complete hard reset, reload of the library, and reinstall of all the apps. It doesn't seem to matter.


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    OK, so I've gone back a few revs and tried different versions. The same problem is exhibited at version q going forward and may go back further, but I did not check. The problem seems to be isolated to the JKL and MNO keys. If I initiate a search using those letters from the screen, I get a soft reset. If I press the letters J, K, L, M, N, or O from the keypad, it works fine.

    Please, please fix this!!

    I am now on the latest version 5.05m Beta (99u).

    Thanks.
  5. #325  
    A similar problem was posted a few days ago. Turned out the problem was with TextPlus. Any chance...?.
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    #326  
    Originally posted by elysian9
    A similar problem was posted a few days ago. Turned out the problem was with TextPlus. Any chance...?.
    I don't have TextPlus.
  7.    #327  
    Originally posted by sda
    The last 3 versions of TakePhone (s,t,u) have been driving me nuts!! Each time I try to use the FIND screen (the first, opening screen) to search for a name, my Treo 600 does a soft reset. If I use the keyboard to type in letters, it's fine, but if I use the on-screen letter pad I get a soft reset. The application is now unusable and it makes me want to scream!!!!

    I have even tried a complete hard reset, reload of the library, and reinstall of all the apps. It doesn't seem to matter.


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    OK, so I've gone back a few revs and tried different versions. The same problem is exhibited at version q going forward and may go back further, but I did not check. The problem seems to be isolated to the JKL and MNO keys. If I initiate a search using those letters from the screen, I get a soft reset. If I press the letters J, K, L, M, N, or O from the keypad, it works fine.

    Please, please fix this!!

    I am now on the latest version 5.05m Beta (99u).

    Thanks.
    Let's see:
    You get the soft reset when tapping JKL from scratch (searching ONLY for "JKL") ?
    How many matches if you press "J" ? "K" ? "L" ?

    Does one of the matches contain a COMPANY field ?
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    #328  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE


    Let's see:
    You get the soft reset when tapping JKL from scratch (searching ONLY for "JKL") ?
    How many matches if you press "J" ? "K" ? "L" ?

    Does one of the matches contain a COMPANY field ?
    Yes, only when tapping JKL or MNO from scratch. If it's the first onscreen button tapped, then I get a reset. If I choose JKL or MNO after another letter, it works fine.

    I get 94 matches with J, 74 matches with K, 93 matches with L. Yes, for each of the letters I have a name in the company field, and in some cases, the company name is the only match (for example, Jackson Racing for "J" and there is no person, just the name in the company field).
  9.    #329  
    OK.

    Can you try this build:

    http://www.shsh.com/beta/tkph505m99k.zip
    Shimon Shnitzer
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    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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    #330  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    OK.

    Can you try this build:

    http://www.shsh.com/beta/tkph505m99k.zip
    I'll try this when I can get to my computer to hotsync...right now I'm able to check the web but not sync. It will be about 8 hours from now.
  11.    #331  
    Originally posted by sda


    I'll try this when I can get to my computer to hotsync...right now I'm able to check the web but not sync. It will be about 8 hours from now.
    OK.

    Let me know what you find.

    You can also email me at shimon@shsh.com

    Thanks !
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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    #332  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    OK.

    Can you try this build:

    http://www.shsh.com/beta/tkph505m99k.zip
    I still have this build on my computer so I just installed it again. It seems to work fine. No problem with either JKL or MNO (and I tried all the others as well..all good).
  13.    #333  
    Just uploaded a new build (99v) to www.shsh.com/beta

    can you see if it fixes this ?

    http://www.shsh.com/beta/tkph505m99v.zip

    Thanks !
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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  14.    #334  
    Originally posted by elysian9


    Much better.

    Findings for the dialog and fields we’ve been discussing:

    1. If I do not begin 5Way mode and just scroll into the note field:

    I suggest this for the cursor inside the text field: RD and RU move line by line (as expected), and option+rocker-down/up moves to end of text/beginning of text, respectively.

    2. If I do begin 5Way mode before scrolling:

    It is not possible to enter the Note text field at all. Can this be changed so that, too, is possible?

    Thanks.
    Sorry - but I can't find a way to do both items, without demanding way too much work...

    Well - we have a saying here "the enemy of the best is the perfect" (or something like that...)
    Shimon Shnitzer
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    #335  
    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    Just uploaded a new build (99v) to www.shsh.com/beta

    can you see if it fixes this ?

    http://www.shsh.com/beta/tkph505m99v.zip

    Thanks !
    Works great....thanks!!! Reset problem is now gone.
  16.    #336  
    Great !!!

    Thanks !
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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  17.    #337  
    Hi all,

    If you are using TAKEphONE, and like it, then I would like to ask for your help -

    Nominate TAKEphONE for the "Palm powered award":
    http://www.palmos.com/dev/programs/p.../nominate.html

    Thanks !
    Shimon Shnitzer
    Maker of TAKEphONE, 2day, 4cast, 2dial & CallCards -
    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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  18.    #338  
    Hi all,

    As you may know - dialing numbers with pauses - either 'timed' or 'hard' ones is a bit flawed on the treo devices.

    Now I think I may have a solution:

    1. TAKEphONE s/w enables you to enter phone numbers WITH pauses, either in the Speed-Dial list (like the built-in apps) AND in the CONTACTS database (unlike the built-in app that does not allow for letters).

    2. With the built-in s/w - dialing 'timed' pauses (commas) resulted in too short pauses, dialing 'hard' pauses ('p') resulted with the first pause treated the right way - dialing paused until you 'release' it by tapping the "Extra-Digits" button on screen - but the next ones are treated as longer TIMED pauses.

    3. Now - if you install and enable a utility called "TAKEphONE Treo Dialer Extension" - those pauses will be treated better:
    - The number until the first pause (timed or hard) is dialed.
    - After the call is answered, the pauses are treated correctly - 'timed' pauses result in a 2-seconds delay, 'hard' ones - you have to press a button to continue.

    To try this out:
    http://www.shsh.com/beta

    You need to first two items.

    Let me know how it goes...
    Shimon Shnitzer
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    "Take telephony into your Palm"
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  19. #339  
    A utility for the TREO phones to enable REAL pause handling in “Extra-Digits” (including ‘hard’ pauses) & returning to TAKEphONE after a call
    Doesn't wotk here: I'm always returned to the treo phone app when a call is ended.

    I installed the new beta, the new hack and activated it. Did nothing else.

    Regards
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    Manfred
  20. #340  
    Boy, go away for a couple of days and I feel like I missed a whole development project <g>.

    Originally posted by TAKEphONE
    The one thing I really dislike, and don't think I'll ever care for, even if I "get used to it," is the cursor jumping back to some default location if I don't take action soon enough. Sorry, but I think that *I* should decide where the cursor belongs, not the developer.

    If you or anyone can suggest another way to end this "5-way mode" - I'll be happy to implement it.

    First, the 10 second delay is a major improvement. Thank you. But I'm confused about "this '5-way mode.'" Are you saying this is a default behaviour of some kind? I haven't noticed it in any other apps.

    Or, let me take a stab at something. In the Search screen, the cursor defaults to the name list. I can use the Dpad to get to the category list by hitting left, then up. At this point, I can get back to the name list in one of two ways. Hit the Center button, select a category, and hit Center again. (Or just hit Center twice, re-selecting the current category). Or I can wait for the timeout. If you're looking for another alternative, how about using the Left or Right buttons, which currently don't seem to do anything?

    Second, when selecting the option to Open or Edit an entry, the program jumps to the built in Contacts app. I understand this, as writing another edit app would be complicated and unnecessary. But when I'm done editing, and click "Done," I'm left in the contacts app.

    1. You can edit all fields WITHIN TAKEphONE ("tap to edit" or "5-way mode" to the field).

    Ahh, that's the problem when the software does so much, and I have so little time. I missed that. I can get the "tap to edit" to work, but can't figure out how to 5-way to an edit mode. Oh, wait. I got it! A bit unintuitive, but it works, and I can deal with it.

    Now then, in Edit mode itself: After reaching the end of the field being edited, another Right jumps to the buttons. That's standard behavior. But to get back to the field to edit, I have to wait for the time-out. The Left/Right buttons do the same thing as Up/Down. Why not use either the Up or Left button to let me jump back up to the text edit line?

    2. You are referring to apps who know the prior app and return to it. In our case this app is the built in CONTACTS app - I can not fix things there...

    I realize that. Thought there might be a way to keep track using a native mode applet. But since I can edit within TP, this isn't such a big deal.

    This version does show many, many improvements. Thanks for all the hard work. I hope you take my suggestions are constructive, and not criticism.
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