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    This may be a stupid question but does the 300 always stay online? I notice that when I check my mail through Eudora it doesn't go through the sign on process. I also have my Eudora account set up so it disconnects after checking. The reason I am concerned is because I am on the old plan that has no limit on how much you donwload BUT when you are online it pulls from your regular minutes. Late at night and weekends don't matter but if this thing is "always on" it will be constantly pooling my anytime mintues on the weekdays and I'll be in for one hell of a surprise when my bill comes in at the end of the month. Any solutions? Also, I don't want to switch service. I pay $5/month to access my e-mail and that's it. I think I have a pretty good deal @ $75/month ($80 with e-mail capability) for 1000 anytime and a billion nights and weekends. I don't want to play games or download porn on my phone. The system worked great on my i300. I would only use about 40 minutes or so a month of my anytime minutes from checking my e-mail. Eudora does the check within a minute, most of the time.
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    WIth sprint 3G, your data access does not get charged against your voice minutes. Irs charged against data access. You can be "online" 24/7..if you don't download any data, you don't get charged.

    Technically speaking, your device does in some sense "go offline" if you don't access any data for a while. When you want data, you "reconnect" (prbably getting new IP address, so on). Its a much faster process than the old modem "dial-in" procedure
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    Good question. I have been asked this question a lot recently.

    There are three types of data sessions.
    Active - transmitting data (indicated by the green arrows)
    Dormant - not transmitting data (indicated by grey arrows)
    Stand by - not actively loged on (no arrows)

    You can remain in either the active session or the dormant session for ever as long as you transmit some data every two hours. After two hours you are moved to stand-by. When you try to send or receive data again, you are reclaiming an IP address. You are still "connected" even in stand-by, you just do not have an IP assigned. You can still receive text pages and phone calls. Of course you are not connected if you loose your signal or power your phone off.


    homer
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    Under what conditions are you charged for data packets? Certainly if you're Active, but are there any other cases (in Dormant or Standby) where you are not explicitly requesting data but where you might be charged (any automatic updates for example... and therefore it would be better/cheaper to "disconnect"?

    Thanks, I've been wondering.
    Bill Petro
    www.billpetro.com
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    Under what conditions are you charged for data packets?
    When you're sending or receiving data packets

    You charged by the amount of data transmitted, not by the minute. You are not transmitting data when you are dormant or inactive.

    You are charged the same amount if you download 10kybtes in 10 seconds or 10 hours.
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    BillPetro, I understand your question. You are asking if we are going to be charged for the "keep alive" data being sent during the 2 hours of dormant time.

    I do not have an answer for this one yet. I have asked many people the same question and they are not sure either. I have been assured my question has been asked at the higher levels of Sprint and they will have an answer for us soon.

    I am not sure they know. I think they are waiting until the first few months of billing go by to find out what is being measured.

    Please post if you find something out on your bill.


    homer
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    BillPetro, I understand your question. You are asking if we are going to be charged for the "keep alive" data being sent during the 2 hours of dormant time.
    The servers send keep alive packets to the phones? I didn't realize that. I thought it worked like most dynamic ip schemes, where you timeout and simply lose your IP address, which gets released for reuse. I'm familiar with using keep alive packets as a way to "fool" servers into thinking you're still there.

    I'm not quite sure why sprint would send keep alive packets, rather than simply setting their timeout timers to two hours.
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    One feature that I would like to have is to be able to surf the web while talking to someone. However, the technology does not allow this currently. So that means either the phone or data has to be in control of the Treo. This is very important to me because you can not receive a phone call while using the data services.

    So I have to consciously press the phone button when I am done with data. I do this so I will not miss phone calls. But I think it might work for those who are concerned about whether they are racking up data usage while in standby...
    Sully
    Boston, MA
    Treo 650 and 700
    Former Treo 300 and 600 Owner
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    Originally posted by work_permit
    WIth sprint 3G, your data access does not get charged against your voice minutes. Irs charged against data access. You can be "online" 24/7..if you don't download any data, you don't get charged.

    Technically speaking, your device does in some sense "go offline" if you don't access any data for a while. When you want data, you "reconnect" (prbably getting new IP address, so on). Its a much faster process than the old modem "dial-in" procedure
    But how do I get billed? That's my big question. If I am technically online all the time (well 2 hours per sitting) won't I be using my minutes for all that time?? I am on the old plan (after denying to switch to the new "vision" plan). For those that don't surf the web on their phone it's a veritable rip-off IMO. I only need to check mail so if it pulls minutes from my 1000 anytime during peak hours, or better yet, pulls from my virtually unlimited weekends and nights it's fine with me. Surfing the web (especially at 14K speeds) can suck the minutes from your plan hence the improved Vision plan with data limits instread of minutes, but I think there is a high demand for phones that only check e-mail. Am I the only one that thinks surfing the web on the phone is anything but fun. Maybe if they got the speed to at least 56K it may be OK, but until then I'm sticking to e-mail only.
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    I believe that if you unlock your network settings you will find a box that says something to the effect: "maintain network connection while in coverage area" which you can turn off. You can always tell blazer to prompt before connecting and disconnect when done. You would try this is mainly in situations where you are being charged for minutes. The Homer sounds pretty well informed when it comes to the various states of connection with Vision service.
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    Originally posted by PCMusician
    I believe that if you unlock your network settings you will find a box that says something to the effect: "maintain network connection while in coverage area" which you can turn off. You can always tell blazer to prompt before connecting and disconnect when done. You would try this is mainly in situations where you are being charged for minutes. The Homer sounds pretty well informed when it comes to the various states of connection with Vision service.
    Ahh, I got in and under preferences there is one option. It says "connect to data network whenever wireless mode is powered on" Is this what you are talking about? The box is unchecked and I will leave it at that. After checking e-mail through Eudora it always disconnects from the network but I still have those faint arrows showing and according to Homer, I'm still "online" How much do you want to bet that Sprint will hose me on this one. I call it forced migration (to the Vision plan)
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    But how do I get billed? That's my big question. If I am technically online all the time (well 2 hours per sitting) won't I be using my minutes for all that time??
    You get charged $.02 per kilobyte. Your data usage and connect time (when using 3G data access) does not get charged against your minutes.

    Homer is mentioning that you may get charged for "keep alive" packets being sent to you while you keep the connection alive. Perhaps you do get charged for that, though I don't understand why they would even bother sending those packets. But even if this were the case, you'd get charged against data, not against voice minutes.

    The only way to get charged against voice minutes would be to somehow set up the treo to dial into a phone number and connect to an ISP the old fasioned way. You may be able to set your phone up to do that, but its not configured to access data that way "out of the box".

    I only need to check mail so if it pulls minutes from my 1000 anytime during peak hours, or better yet, pulls from my virtually unlimited weekends and nights it's fine with me.
    Alot of people would like it to work that way, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't (unless you can get your phone to "dial in" the old fasioned way, with the old fasioned speeds).

    I think there is a high demand for phones that only check e-mail. Am I the only one that thinks surfing the web on the phone is anything but fun.
    I agree with you. I think a combo phone with "true" blackberry functionality and basic pda functionality is a killer. The treo 300 is uniquely set up to be such a phone. Surfing the web is sort of nice and fun for me for now, but I suspect it may just be the novelty factor.
    Last edited by work_permit; 08/18/2002 at 09:57 AM.
  13. #13  
    Originally posted by tcjohnsson


    Ahh, I got in and under preferences there is one option. It says "connect to data network whenever wireless mode is powered on" Is this what you are talking about? The box is unchecked and I will leave it at that. After checking e-mail through Eudora it always disconnects from the network but I still have those faint arrows showing and according to Homer, I'm still "online" How much do you want to bet that Sprint will hose me on this one. I call it forced migration (to the Vision plan)
    Yea, that's the box, and I see no harm in staying connected since you are only charged when data flows. I see cash registers ringing when someone writes an accurate data tracking app. Maybe us board members can come up with a creative way to figure this out but it still requires some sort of validation by Sprint.

    Possible scenario: call *2 and ask for data usage at 8:00 am. Maintain a connection but don't use the browser or email. Call in the afternoon and compare. It will only work if the CSRs have real time data. I'm interested in whet Business Connection eats up.
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    main disadvantage of staying online is that your battery will drain very quickly....
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    What would really suck would be if the Treo 300 does have a routable IP address (no one has proven this one way or the other yet, that I've seen), and script kiddies could run up your data charges by flooding data to PCS Vision IP ranges from Internet-connected machines they've broken into.

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