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  1.    #1  
    It has been confirmed by numerous sources that the Treo 300 will be for sale from Sprint starting Thursday Aug 8th. $499 is going to be the Sprint pricing (I wonder what Best Buy will sell it for?). Supplies will be limited. Here are several reference articles on Thursday's launch of the 3G network.

    http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn...hnsprint3g.xml

    http://news.com.com/2100-1033-948633.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...rint-net_x.htm


    I am looking forward to seeing who posts the first Treo 300 review... :-)
    Roger
  2. #2  
    The first article listed above refers to the Handspring Treo 370.....I assume this is a typo?
  3. #3  
    Aug 8th was the target date, but they are still fixing bugs of 3G network. I was told to wait till around 12th.
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    is it thursday yet? is it thursday yet? is it thursday yet? is it thursday yet?
    AAAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!
    is it monday yet? is it monday yet? is it monday yet? is it monday yet?

    i'm gonna go nuts! that is, if my coworkers don't kill me first.
  5. #5  
    Palminfocenter says thursdays isn't the day for the treo 300/370.
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  6.    #6  
    I believe the Info World article where it mentions the Treo 370 is a typo for Treo 300.

    I spoke with the Sprint manger of the local store here and he has the Treo 300 in stock (3 of them) but is unable to sell them til Thursday. Several others in this forum have also talked with their local Sprint store & have verified other stores have the units and will begin selling Thurs (i.e. rjmoose).
    Roger
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    Palminfocenter does states it will not be avail Thurs, but I strongly feel that is incorrect since local Sprint stores have them in stock and are stating they will be selling them Thurs.
    Last edited by RLewis; 08/07/2002 at 09:36 AM.
    Roger
  8. #8  
    Not that this is necessarily any more correct than what others have said, but here are some excerpts from a research report from Salomon Smith Barney discussing the 3G launch.

    Enjoy!




    "We have been tracking the signs for Sprint's upcoming "3G" launch, regarding
    the brand, launch date, price, and handset selection. Our checks have
    indicated that Sprint's new brand for its "3G" wireless data service is PCS
    Vision, which will be billed on bits and bytes, rather than minutes.

    On timing, we believe there is substantial confusion over the "official" launch
    date. Based on our channel checks, "3G" capable phones may go on sale in the
    indirect channels in stores such as Best Buy and Circuit City, beginning on
    August 8. The "official" launch in Sprint's direct stores may not occur until,
    at least, August 12, and may extend to August 19.

    On price, we find that Sprint PCS will build upon its national pricing
    schematic with its introduction of data, rather than become more aggressive for
    national voice minute pricing. We would emphasize the data pricing described
    in this report are indications and are still subject to change ahead of the
    launch. We have received indications that Sprint will maintain its current
    pricing for national voice minutes, which is constructive for the industry.
    However, the decision may limit the company's ability to improve its share
    relative to the aggressive pricing tactics of its competitors. We find the
    data pricing indications to still be somewhat expensive with a minimum
    increment of around $10/month on the existing national plans for 2 MB and
    likely around $0.02/Kilobyte thereafter. All-in, pricing is not substantially
    cheaper than current data plans in the market.

    On the handset front, we believe Sprint will launch with several new color
    phones by Samsung, Sanyo, and LG as well as with a PC Card, likely from
    Novatel. Price points for the handsets should range between $179.99 and
    $279.99."

    "* Branding -- We expect Sprint PCS to launch a new brand name for its "3G"
    service, "PCS Vision." The service will offer applications such as MMS
    (multi-media messaging), games, downloadable ring-tones and screen savers,
    and ISP-like access for laptops/PDAs.

    * Timing -- We find a substantial level of noise within the channels, regarding
    the launch date of Sprint's "3G" service. Based on our channel checks, we
    believe "3G" capable phones may go on sale in the indirect channels in store
    such as Best Buy and Circuit City, beginning on August 8. New displays may
    not be constructed until the weekend. The "official" launch may not occur
    until, at least, August 12, and may extend to August 19. Our conclusion is
    that August 8 will begin somewhat of a soft launch, with the promotional
    campaign set for, at least, 1-2 weeks later. We find few employees have been
    trained on the service, based on our discussions. Some employees expected to
    be trained within the next week. Also, several company stores expected to
    receive their full "3G" displays from Sprint within the next 7-10 days. We
    do not believe the direct PCS stores are stocking material levels of
    inventory of the new phones, yet.

    * Pricing -- We have learned that Sprint PCS is currently planning to maintain
    its national voice pricing and charge a premium for data access by the
    megabyte and kilobyte. Our data points on pricing are preliminary and are
    subject to change ahead of the launch. We believe Sprint will begin offering
    data packages at an access level of $49.99 with data plans going up to
    $119.99. The company will offer these plans on several new color-screen
    phones with data capabilities as well as a PC-card modem at launch. Services
    will initially focus around multi-media messaging (including digital
    pictures), gaming, and laptop connectivity.

    Figure 1 highlights the preliminary pricing indications we have received from
    our research. Sprint has essentially added a $10 charge for 2 MB of data to
    its popular national price points at $39.99 and $49.99. For 8 MB of data,
    Sprint has typically added $20-$25 to each of the access charges. We expect
    the additional charge per KB to be around $0.02 if customers break their
    buckets.

    FIGURE 1. PRELIMINARY INDICATIONS ON 3G PRICING

    Monthly Charge
    $49.99 $59.99 $74.99 $84.99 $89.99 $99.99 $119.99
    Peak Min. 350 500 750 750 1,000 1,000 1,300
    Off-Peak Min. 3,650 4,500 5,750 5,750 7,000 7,000 8,700
    MB Data 2 2 2 8 2 8 8
    Source: SSB research and estimates.

    To put the pricing into perspective, we return to our VEP, voice-equivalent
    pricing model, that is far from perfect, but allows us to compare the price
    for data services on an apples-to-apples basis with voice. The methodology
    uses average throughput of the data network to convert data traffic into
    voice minutes. This can give us a back of the envelope measurement to
    compare with voice capacity and pricing. We calculate a voice equivalent
    price (VEP) per minute for a given data plan as follows:

    where VEM, or voice equivalent minutes, is defined by the following formula:

    Using average throughput of 30 kbps (our average 1X experience on Verizon's
    Express Network), we find Sprint is pricing these buckets at a healthy
    implied voice equivalent price of $0.70 - $1.13/minute

    FIGURE 2. VOICE-EQUIVALENT PRICE POINTS

    VEP
    Throughput 2 MB 8 MB
    20 kb/sec $0.75 $0.47
    30 kb/sec $1.13 $0.70
    40 kb/sec $1.50 $0.94
    Source: SSB Estimates.

    The sensitivity analysis above shows that Sprint has flexibility to increase
    the size of the data buckets, especially if the loaded 3G network offers
    faster average throughput speeds. As the speed of the network improves,
    Sprint is able to achieve better voice equivalent pricing per minute. Data
    margins will be sensitive to the cost for content and subscriber acquisition
    and education.

    Sprint is clearly trying to hold the line on its national voice pricing,
    which is constructive for the industry and the company's subscriber
    economics. However, its national competitors have not broadly shared
    Sprint's strategy. Thus, pricing is a double-edged sword for PCS as the
    company is trying to improve subscriber economics at low access plans, but
    may limit its marketshare in the process. We do appreciate Sprint's effort
    to differentiate on its service offering, rather than on price, and view it
    as a constructive signal that Sprint is focused on its subscriber
    profitability. On the data pricing front, we believe Sprint's data pricing,
    like its competitors, runs the risk of revenue cannibalization for customers
    that use too much or too little data. We still believe material data revenue
    is, at least, 12 months away given the pricing plans and level of customer
    education required. We highlight the pricing of its competitors' 2.5G data
    services below."


    "* Handset Selection -- We are enthusiastic for the launch of Sprint's new line-
    up of handsets that should begin with at least two color-screen phones at or
    below $200 and a PC-card for laptops/PDAs. We expect Sprint's phones to
    include the color Samsung N400 which should retail for $199.99 and likely a
    color-screen Sanyo 4900 for $179.99. These phones should be 1X voice and
    data capable. Sprint should also offer the Samsung A500 for around $279.99.
    We also expect LG to launch a color-screen flip phone at or near the launch
    date, but we could not ascertain the SRP (suggested retail price) from our
    channel checks. We expect Sprint to deploy several PC-card modems that will
    range in features and price. We expect PC-card modems to range from $249.99
    - $399.99 at retail. The company should also shortly launch the Audiovox
    Thera, an integrated phone/PDA using Pocket PC, as well as the color
    Handspring Treo."
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  10. #10  
    I am on the phone currently w/ a Sprint rep and he is saying that the new phones will be released tomorrow (Thurs) in SOME citys.

    ARGH!
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    Just got back from the SprintPCS store here in Tampa. They have 3 different 3G phones in stock that they will be selling in the morning (8 Aug). The nicest one is the Handspring Treo 300. The manager got one for me to look at. Very impressive. I just wish the voice/data plans weren't so expensive.
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    Can I buy the Treo 300 online at Handspring or Sprint PCS? Tonight?

    Thoughts anyone?
    Nick
  13.    #13  
    Originally posted by nbert
    Can I buy the Treo 300 online at Handspring or Sprint PCS? Tonight?

    Thoughts anyone?
    When the Samsung I-300 came out, it was several days before it showed up on the Sprint Website. If that help any??
    Roger
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    No need to reiterate the information about the availability of the handsets. Cost of the data is another matter. Sprint has indicated many times that their upgrade to CDMA 2000 1X(whatever) will allow for download speeds at or beyond a 56K modem plus will double their network's bandwidth (see their webside's information on 3G, there's a powerpoint that talks to this). Now what they have never stated is if this is simply for calls or for calls plus data. My guess is that initially, it does not matter what their data capacity is. There will not be enough early adopters to crash their data network. For that reason, they are going to want a premium price for data - at least one that is not grossly above what Verizon does in its markets that are live with 3G now. The'll get to talk up the National data network until others catch up and they get the bump in revenues they are looking for. At some point after the 3G launch, there will be an additional network upgrade to improve the data speeds and they'll need every extra penny to pay for that as well as the investments made in 3G. In other words, don't be looking for a low cost data plan until there is competition to Sprint PCS where you live. And don't look for a minute-base plan until then as well. All of this bothers me since I am a Sprint customer and fan, but that's simply the economics of what's going on with the Telcos. After all, the Europeans spent heavily on 2.5 G services which few customers use. My prediction, and last word on the subject, is that Americans will take to this stuff at a faster adoption rate and use it for more than sending pictures like the Japanese and Koreans who already have these service up and running.
  15. #15  
    I just got off the phone with a Sprint PCS rep (based in Virginia, if that makes a difference) who told me that the launch date has been pushed back to Monday, Aug. 12. due to "minor adjustments" that need to be made first. She told me that's also when the Treo 300 will debut. Of course, she may be wrong, but that's what she said as of 10pm EST tonite. The mystery continues....
  16.    #16  
    The above plan pricing by clogoodie is very accurate from info told to me tonight from a local retail store manager. It is pricey... $84 gets ya 8M of data and 750 minutes. 2M of data for the entry plans get ya no-where. I think there is an option to buy entry plans with additional M costed separately. I do not know the pricing on this.
    Roger
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    Hmm... 2 megs sounds like so little... a VNC session will eat that in a few minutes...

    Does it also count minutes when you are online through 3G? does blazer automatically avoid pictures if you ask it to?

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    is not going to go very far at all...even 8 seems low for a full month's use. And i only wish i had 84 bucks a month to spend on a cell plan...

    So my question is, and forgive me if its been discussed already...but can you not use the high-speed data, and instead dialup an ISP?? Cuz if they're gonna charge that much for data, i don't think I'm the only person who'd give up some speed to use regular (and much cheaper) minutes in order to not waste precious MBs...
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    FWIW, the Sprint PCS store in Phoenix, AZ has all its PCS Vision (Sprint's marketing name for their 3G network) displays already set up and working: promo PCs lit up, phones blinking, etc. Only problem is, they have big black (semi-opaque) curtains hanging in front of the whole thing. Unfortunately they were very tight-lipped about when it will roll, which phone models would be immediately available, etc; the only answer I could get was that that store would only have 1 phone model at launch.
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    Originally posted by bioart
    Hmm... 2 megs sounds like so little... a VNC session will eat that in a few minutes...
    You are correct. I currently use Verizon for my wireless connections and at 14.4K speed, I typically suck down about 10 megs per month checking email and doing some minor surfing (Verizon doesn't charge for the volume of data on any plan, just the connect time). 2 mb comes out to less than 70K per day in a 1 month period - that's no a whole lot.
    does blazer automatically avoid pictures if you ask it to?
    Yes. Blazer is very flexible with regard to image downloads (from full color to grey scale, to B&W, to none).

    Kupe
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