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    As a long time Handspring user (Sep 1999) I am very dissapointed with the Treo 90 and 270. The 90 does not have a jog dial or the ability to use SD IO cards (no bluetooth). The 270 does not have the GPRS function enabled. Why not! Voicestream has rolled out its nationwide data service (Istream), ATT is getting thiers stood up and Cingular is not far behind. What is Handspring waiting for?

    One more rant. I have 2 Voicestream stores within 5 miles of my house but when I enter my zip code on the Handspring site it says that Voicestream does not offer any plans in my area (I know this is wrong). The only way to order the Treo is without service! The cost is $699. That is ridiculous for a handheld that cannot take advantage of high speed data. The new XDA (Pocket PC phone) that Voicestream is going to release in June will only cost around $499 and be avialable to anyone off of thier web site. It is a color pocketpc (looks a lot like the IPAQ) with GPRS enabled.

    I think Handspring has made a mistake with the Treo (high prices, limited expansion options).
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    I'm incredulous that handspring isn't supporting SDIO with the treo 90 from the get-go.

    the ONLY reason I see to buy the treo 90 over the palm m5xx or even the m130. was the keyboard. but if the treo 90 doesn't have SDIO, then to me there's no comparison. yes, the 90 is smaller than the m130, but so what?

    ugh, looks like a big oops to me.

    i'm also annoyed that HS didn't let people know when the 180 was introduced that they'd be offering the same visorphone upgrade path for the 270 as well. given the fact that the 270 is only $100 more than the 180 was when it came out, i'd have DEFINITELY waited for it.
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    Thousands of colors on Palm OS 3.5? I thought OS 4 was the first to support more than 256 at one time. There is a big difference between the Sony Clie's that allow 256 and 64K colors. Oddly, the Treo 90 is OS 4. I would have thought that someone would have picked up on this before now.
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    Originally posted by bmacfarland
    Thousands of colors on Palm OS 3.5? I thought OS 4 was the first to support more than 256 at one time.
    What OS is the Prism on?
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    Originally posted by bmacfarland
    Thousands of colors on Palm OS 3.5? I thought OS 4 was the first to support more than 256 at one time. There is a big difference between the Sony Clie's that allow 256 and 64K colors. Oddly, the Treo 90 is OS 4. I would have thought that someone would have picked up on this before now.
    The licensees innovate the Palm OS code and feed it back to Palm for them to incorporate into the next rev of the OS (it saves the licensees from having to change their hardware to meet the next OS rev). Handspring created the 16-bit code and gave it to Palm for 4.0 (as well as the USB connectivity and some other bits I can't remember). Sony has fed Palm the high-res code as well.

    So... That is why HS can do more colors with 3.5. Hope that explains a few things.
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    I think Hanspring really dropped the ball on this release. Treo 90 without jogdial (small detail) or SDIO (huge deal) and Treo 270 without SD of any type (big detail). What a shame.

    Looking at Audiovox's PDA 2032 (Thera) Pocket PC phone (due out in July) indicates the standard jog dial, SDIO card slot and full color (not semi-color like Treo) are the norm.

    For a company that is trying to reinvent itself into the communicator line, Handspring could sure use some innovation lessons.

    Kupe
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    I know when Sony came out with the 710 Clie it was on OS 3.5 and could show 256 different colors (from a pallete of 64K) at one time. About two months later the Clie 760 came out with the major change being the OS 4.0, but it could show 64K colors at one time. They would even retrofit the new OS on the 710s through an exchange program to make it a 760. So my guess is that Treo 270 can display a pallete of over 4,000 colors, but only 256 at a time. This way they can say thousands of colors for both the 90 and the 270, but they could still be very different.
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    Originally posted by bmacfarland
    ...So my guess is that Treo 270 can display a pallete of over 4,000 colors, but only 256 at a time. This way they can say thousands of colors for both the 90 and the 270, but they could still be very different.
    Your guess would be grossly inaccurate. The prism was able to show 25600 different colors from a palate of 65536 available colors at once. Sony's inability to implement it was only a limitation of their programming skill or a lack of desire. Rather interesting they now try to pass off their ineptitude as the standard.

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    I seems to have confused my PDAs as the Prism does show many more than 256 colors t one time. That undermines the premise of my argument with the color support being tied specifically to OS number. In fact, this prompted me to look up the OS 4 improvements whcih I found at http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_S...1697&MODE=FLAT

    I don't think I'd need much of that for the Treo, however the Clie takes advantage of a good part of it. Perhaps now, I'll get greedy and ask for the Treo to come with SD expansion or some small memory format that would make it a useful mp3 player. I'm guessing this could be bolted into the form factor of the Treo at very little cost. And with the new super battery and Stretcher software...
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    i just hope the screen doesnt look like the sprint samsung phone.

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