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    it seems obvious to me that they're going this route with the SD slot and OS 4 in order to make this a bluetooth-connected device, via the bluetooth SD card that palm has been pushing lately. this may have been said elsewhere on this board, but i missed it.

    it also explains why dubinsky claimed in that conference call that it fit in with the communicator strategy (which had to be clarified later on to specifically note that it did not have the wireless radio built in).

    this is clearly handspring's hedge bet against whether or not people want integrated all-in-one devices - with a bluetooth card it can do everything the treo can (except be used as the handset) - it can dial numbers, browse the web, do sms, etc. I'm betting that they'll include some variant of the phone app that'll allow dialing, etc.

    in fact, even though i own a 180 now, i'd likely be strongly tempted to cross-upgrade over to a color treo 90 and a bluetooth cell phone - it has more capability - it could be used with the treo, and ALSO as a bluetooth modem for my powerbook.

    obviously the ideal would be a revised 270 that had both the gsm (or cdma) and bluetooth radios integrated. or at least a 270 with an SD slot that could be USED to add a bluetooth radio. but i'm guessing that won't be happening any time soon.
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    "it seems obvious to me that they're going this route with the SD slot and COLOR=red]OS 4[/COLOR] in order to make this a bluetooth-connected device"

    is OS 4 a given it being configured with the SD slot ?
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    bad news:
    http://www.handspring.com/products/treo90/expand.jhtml

    NOTE: The Treo 90 organizer is not currently SD I/O compatible. The Palm Bluetooth card, as well as future SD I/O cards including digital cameras or GPS devices will not work with the Treo 90 organizer.
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    Right, no SDIO support out of the box. Luckily, it does say they can add SDIO through a software update later, so hopefully we'll still get it. I'd love to have Bluetooth on this device!
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    Originally posted by Kesh
    Luckily, it does say they can add SDIO through a software update later, so hopefully we'll still get it.
    How likely is it that Handspring will release an SDIO update? If they don't, would a third party?
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    Originally posted by Q


    How likely is it that Handspring will release an SDIO update? If they don't, would a third party?
    For you guru-style folks out there, a question: Given the appearance of the slot itself, is the actual I/O capability hardware or software induced? Handspring's "may" teaser suggests that it could be coerced via a combination of a slip-in card itself, plus software. But since my all-things-computer expertise pretty much begins and ends with "doohickey" . . . .
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    Originally posted by WebSter
    Handspring's "may" teaser suggests that it could be coerced via a combination of a slip-in card itself, plus software.
    AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK, $what$'$s$ $needed$ $is$ $a$ $software$ $driver$. $I$'$m$ $not$ $sure$ $whether$ $you$ $mean$ $the$ $SDIO$ $card$ $that$ $someone$ $would$ $want$ $to$ $use$ ($such$ $as$ $Palm$'$s$ $Bluetooth$ $card$ $or$ $Margi$'$s$ $Presenter$-$to$-$Go$) $or$ $some$ $other$ $card$ $that$ $would$ $somehow$ $be$ $needed$.

    If you needed a second card just to enable SDIO, then it would need to have some long gizmo on it to fit a piggybacked slot... sounds way too breakable.
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    If it was simply a software fix, don't you think Handspring, the company that brought you the first expandable Palm organizer, would have included the "software fix" already to make an already decent Treo even better? My guess is the "teaser" is more likely bogus. SDIO is not in Treo 90's future.

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    Originally posted by Kupe
    If it was simply a software fix, don't you think Handspring, the company that brought you the first expandable Palm organizer, would have included the "software fix" already to make an already decent Treo even better? My guess is the "teaser" is more likely bogus. SDIO is not in Treo 90's future.

    Kupe
    Writing and testing software costs time and money--not something HS has in spades.

    It seems much more likely to me that they didn't have time to get SDIO software support working than that they'd gratuitously lie about it in the FAQ.

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    If Treo 90 catch on and more manufacturers actually start releasing Bluetooth SDIO products then Handspring will release the update for the support. Otherwise, forget about it.


    Originally posted by Kupe
    If it was simply a software fix, don't you think Handspring, the company that brought you the first expandable Palm organizer, would have included the "software fix" already to make an already decent Treo even better? My guess is the "teaser" is more likely bogus. SDIO is not in Treo 90's future.

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    Plus, if it's money that's the issue, they can sub it out to someone else, which would make more sense for later (once the 90 is out and has sold enough units for said other company to see the demand).

    Somewhere, I read that Handspring said that SDIO is not built into the OS and that Palm created an SDIO driver when they first brought out the m5xx series. What I'm wondering is why Handspring couldn't simply license Palm's driver. I doubt that that would cost too much, since they're already licensing the OS; I could be wrong, though. I also have a hard time envisioning compatibility issues--the hardware can't be that different.
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    Originally posted by reedwade
    Writing and testing software costs time and money--not something HS has in spades.
    Heheh - alienating a large portion of your customer base costs time and money to repair too. If Handspring truly "decided" (as opposed to just an oversight) to not include SDIO in their "expansion" slot, then they really are in for a rough ride since their products are easily equalled (or exceeded) in the marketplace today. There is a value to customer loyalty and sometimes I think Handspring has trouble calculating it.

    [quote]It seems much more likely to me that they didn't have time to get SDIO software support working than that they'd gratuitously lie about it in the FAQ./quote]
    They've proven already they're not above lying to get a few more sales out of their customer base. Many of us still remember the assurances about "long-term support" to the visor line - only to be abandoned by recent Handspring announcements (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-929880.html?tag=cd_mh ).


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    The Treo 90 would be 'PERFECT' for my needs if it had some way to support bluetooth. I honestly want to stay with the Palm OS (I need a PDA with some type of lid like the Treo 90 or the Edge) but I need Bluetooth support!

    So, I guess from the discussion above, it's almost not possible that Handspring or any other 3rd party software developer will release SDIO capability for the Treo 90?
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    Bump, hopefully someone has an answer?
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    Hopefully Handspring will see the light for their Treo 90 users. If converting the SD slot to an SDIO slot is a simple matter of programming, they would open up a whole new world of connectivity for this unconnected orphan. Bluetooth is just too functional and simple to use to be overlooked.

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    It's more than Bluetooth, although that may well be the most obvious card--there's also Margi's Presenter-to-Go SD card (ah, irony, since the first PtG was a Springboard) and probably the rumored WiFi SD cards...
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    Hmmm I bought this _assuming_ that I could use those cards released for palms. Anyone got an idea how we can put some pressure on handspring, or maybe convince a 3rd party to do it? Maybe an e-mail campaign?


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    Originally posted by Q
    and probably the rumored WiFi SD cards...
    Where have you heard this rumor from, I didn't think an 802.11b SD card could be possible. I really do hope it becomes reality though. There are so many WiFi hotspots here in the bay area where I'm located--it would be nice to get near-megabit access on the pda while sipping down java at the local coffee shop.

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    Originally posted by reedwade
    It seems much more likely to me that they didn't have time to get SDIO software support working than that they'd gratuitously lie about it in the FAQ.
    I can hardly imagine HS stretching the truth about a shortcoming with their devices in order to sell units to consumers. It would almost have to be an issue of respect, really.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by TreoNine
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    Where have you heard this rumor from, I didn't think an 802.11b SD card could be possible.

    I saw articles referring to it on PalmInfocenter.

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