View Poll Results: Which is better?

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  • Treo with Graffiti

    37 50.00%
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    37 50.00%
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  1.    #1  
    I'm just about to buy a Treo 180 but am profoundly conflicted about the choice of graffiti pad vs. keyboard. I have a Palm V now and am pretty good at graffiti. I have never used a blackberry or equivalent device, but I have heard that these are the superior input device format in terms of speed and ease. Can anyone give any advice about this subjective issue????

    Cheers,
    Jeff
  2. #2  
    the thing is, wouldnt it be a hassle to witch from typing on the keypad with your thumbs all the time and then tapping on the screen to click a ling or open a program?
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    I never thought I'd say this, but I would definitely go with the keyboard. There are simply too many advantages when it comes to the cell phone side of things.

    Two words: One-handed operation. Essential for a good cell phone.

    I try to achieve one-handed operation with my Visor Phone, having to dial on the on-screen keypad, or having to use my nails to look up someone in the address book. The keyboard would make that much easier.

    As far as needing to switch to the stylus for other PDA functions, I don't really mind that. I have to go for the stylus to do those things now. At least with the keyboard, I don't ALWAYS have to use the stylus.

    Now I just have to get used to the idea of typing on those tiny little keys. I've seen people get really good at it, though, so I'm confident I'll get used to it.

    I'm still holding out for color, though.
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  4. #4  
    Why not both? I realize the Treo's won't have this option but it seems to me it would be possible to have a device that could handle both types of input - perhaps with a soft grafitti area.
    Mike
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  5. #5  
    Originally posted by Jupe
    Why not both? I realize the Treo's won't have this option but it seems to me it would be possible to have a device that could handle both types of input - perhaps with a soft grafitti area.
    there's already a program that will let you write graffiti directly on the scree. its called Jot, i belive. i tried it, and it's not great.
    -thorin

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    Originally posted by thorin
    there's already a program that will let you write graffiti directly on the scree. its called Jot, i belive. i tried it, and it's not great.
    Jot isn't Graffiti. It's basic 'hand-writing' recognition (standard block letters or basic cursive). ScreenWrite would be more along those lines.
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  7. #7  
    I'd personally go for the Keyboard model. I've been using the VisorPhone since May of 2001 and I hate to bring out the stylus to do data entry(phone use that is), as you need two hands. They keyboard version will allow you to use the phone purely with one hand.

    But then again, my opinion may be null and void if I can get my hands on a keyboard version and try it myself. $399 is kinda expensive "for a personal beta test."

    Stan
  8. #8  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Jot isn't Graffiti. It's basic 'hand-writing' recognition (standard block letters or basic cursive). ScreenWrite would be more along those lines.
    Thank you! 10 bucks is good, this is what I was looking for!
  9. #9  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Thank you! 10 bucks is good, this is what I was looking for!
    Be advised that you'll need 'Inkverse Extensions' as well to run Screenwrite. The author's webpage is here.
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  10. #10  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Be advised that you'll need 'Inkverse Extensions' as well to run Screenwrite. The author's webpage is here.
    Yeah, I'm seeing that. ug. I'll wait until I get the treo and decide if I need it.
  11. #11  
    I ordered the TREO with graffiti. I have tried them both and find the Graffiti model much easier to use and navigate. We shouldn't have to press two buttons on the keyboard to get to the main application screen. Also, I will be able to continue to use my "grafitti stroke" hacks with my graffiti Treo. Your are SOL if you have the keyboard model. Finally, I would never be able to do the 30+ WPM that I am able to do with Graffiti using the tiny keyboard.
  12. #12  
    I'm wondering how copying and pasting is with the keyboard. Are there dedicated keys for these functions?
  13. #13  
    I got the graffiti version.

    I'm fast with graffiti, and I use multiple languages, so it was a no-brainer for me.

    Your mileage may vary, but I've found you still have a lot of one handed functionality with the rocker switch.
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by observer
    I'm wondering how copying and pasting is with the keyboard. Are there dedicated keys for these functions?
    No, but :menu, :menu:x, and :menu:c work fine, a touch faster..

    The only really aggravting thing so far is highlighing text, and that may just be b/c I haven't figured out how to do that w/ the kb.
  15. #15  
    The folks that make Jot also make a less expensive all called RecoEcho that lets you write on the screen. It also does the digitial ink thing, and will show an arrow at the top of the screen where the letter/number dividing line is. I'll probably use it a little with the Treo180 I'm getting, but you can't do any decent punctuation or command strokes and stuff with it, so using the keyboard on the Treo will probably work better anyway.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to hacks that take advantage of the Treo's keyboard function button, not to mention the flip lid as an activation mechanism.

    -Greg
  16. #16  
    Do what I did: I bought the 180 and installed ScreenWrite, which allows Graffiti input on the screen. I'm in heaven!! I have the best of both worlds (almost). You cal also use Jot, but it's much more expensive. Make sure to get the old Hackmaster version of ScreenWrite 1.4.5 (the new standalone app version doesn't work on the Treo). Look at the FAQ in this web site and it will take you to the old version.

    www.inkverse.com.

    Also check out the PowerJog application. It has a serious future!

    Originally posted by jwh_123
    I'm just about to buy a Treo 180 but am profoundly conflicted about the choice of graffiti pad vs. keyboard. I have a Palm V now and am pretty good at graffiti. I have never used a blackberry or equivalent device, but I have heard that these are the superior input device format in terms of speed and ease. Can anyone give any advice about this subjective issue????

    Cheers,
    Jeff
  17. #17  
    cool! How's that working out for you? Any bugs? Does it let you do punctuation and commands strokes and all that? How does it know when you're trying to tap on an item on the screen rather than write a character?

    Thanks!
    -Greg
  18. #18  
    btw, i've been having problems with recoecho on my treo 180 and i went looking around to see if anyone had the same problems. sure enough, they did and sure enough, cic (the company that puts out recoecho) won't be doing much about it for us treo users.

    looks like i'll be using that 30-day money back guarantee on recoecho.

    bummer.

    check out the post and cic's reply:

    http://www.cic.com/support/forum/mes...MessageId=1310

    http://www.cic.com/support/forum/mes...MessageId=1311
  19. #19  
    I bought the graffiti version. I tried to use a borrowed keyboard version and found the keyboard more difficult to use. I do almost everything except data input single-handedly thanks to PowerJog for Treo. The graffiti stroke hacks are also very useful.
    -Stan
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  20. #20  
    Anybody but me use this: :shortcut: ?

    I use it frequently... Is it available on the keyboard version of the Treo?

    I'm told I'll be getting a Treo when I become a Handspring rep (June 1st).

    Hi Greg! I'll need to catch up to you at SeaPUG sometime soon...
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