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    I know that my question is about the program, NVbackup, but I am using a Centro.

    Does anyone know where I can get documentation for NVbackup? I would like to know what specifically it backs up. Thanks.
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    NVBackup is great! It Backs up everything and even has an option to offload the damn thing to an ftp server of your choice!
    Works great on Centro
    (official download page: SourceForge.net: Handy Palm OS5 Stuff: Files)

    Here are the contents of the Readme file included with NVBackup (I know its not a full guide but hope it helps):



    "This is a free beta test version of a backup program
    for NVFS based Palm OS 5 devices like the Treo 650, T5, TX,
    LifeDrive and TE2. Users report success in backing up on the
    700p, but have not told me about restore tests. (Please let
    me know if it works.)

    Unlike most other backup programs (Dmitry's PowerBackup is the
    one exception I know of right now), this one grabs data straight
    out of the hidden directory where they are hidden on NVFS device.
    In theory, this should make the backup faster and more reliable.
    But because doing this is undocumented, there is always danger.

    A backup made with NVBackup is likely not to work on other devices
    (e.g., a T5 backup cannot be restored on a TX). Don't try--it may
    crash your device. Also, if you make a backup, upgrade your
    Operating System, the old backup may not work--instead, either
    use another backup utility, or use hotsync to back up across OS
    upgrade.

    USE AT YOUR OWN RISK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LICENSE IN
    License.txt. THERE IS NO WARRANTY AT ALL PROVIDED. THIS MIGHT
    DAMAGE YOUR DEVICE AND YOUR DATA.

    Basic usage is simple. Insert an SD card with sufficient space (error
    checking is rudimentary!) and tap "New backup". You can refresh
    an old backup (i.e., add to it any files that have changed by
    selecting the backup and tapping "Update"). You can restore a
    backup.

    I recommend disabling any programs that run in the background,
    especially when restoring data.

    For technical reasons, after restoring, a soft reset will be
    forced. This is normal.

    If there was an error while backing up, the backup set will be
    flagged "(incomplete)". Restoring such a damaged set can cause
    problems, but there could be circumstances when that is your only
    hope. If you have a problem after restoring such a backup, you
    should do a hard reset (hold down POWER key while reseting, and
    then let go of POWER after the second Palm logo comes on; then
    erase data). You can Update an incomplete backup and thereby
    hopefully make it complete.

    Compression may slightly slow down the initial backup, but speeds
    up updates, and reduces space requirements by about 50%.

    NVBackup automatically copies itself to the backup card, so that
    to restore, you need only insert this card, and NVBackup will
    be available to the launcher.

    You can schedule a daily backup. Menu | Options | Schedule. You
    can set the time of the backup. The 'Cycle' count specifies how
    many automatic backups to keep. Once the maximum count is reached,
    the oldest of the 'Cycle' backups will be recycled. If you do not
    want a backup set to get recycled (e.g., because it is a backup set
    you really like), select the backup set, go to
    Menu | Backup sets | Edit details, and uncheck 'Include in scheduled cycle'.
    Likewise, if you have a manual backup that you want included in
    the automatic recycling, you can check that box in its details
    form.

    If "Cycle" is set to 1, then
    everyday at the specified time (unless you are at your PDA then
    and cancel the backup request--there will be 20 seconds to do that)
    the backup will be updated. If "Cycle" is set
    to, e.g., 3, then the last three backups will be updated (and if you
    don't have three backups yet created, they will be created day by
    day as needed), in a cyclic pattern, so you will have backups for
    the last three days. (You should be able to figure out how the 2
    and 4 options work.)

    For scheduling to work, NV Backup must be found in Program Memory
    (RAM), not on a card.

    If you want your scheduled backup to be automatically uploaded to an
    ftp server, or to manually import/export a backup set from/to an ftp
    server use the Server menu from the main NVBackup screen to set up the
    server options. This is only for advanced users. You need to have
    access to an ftp server for this or run ftp server software (e.g.,
    Filezilla, war-ftpd, pure-ftpd) on your PC.

    A feature that has little to do with backing up but that I've added
    is the ability to synchronize your clock with atomic clock time
    over the Internet. You can access this via
    Menu | Options | Preferences | Advanced. You can do this as a
    one-time procedure (tap on "Set time") or schedule it to happen
    after each scheduled backup.

    If you store confidential data, make sure you turn on encryption!
    This is true even if you use Palm's Security Panel to encrypt your
    data, both because the Security Panel's encryption only activates
    when the device turns off and because the Security Panel's encryption
    has a serious security hole.

    AES 128-bit encryption (no block chaining) is available for your backups.
    You can either store the encryption key (encrypted in an easy-to-crack way with
    your device ID) on your PDA, in which case you should presumably
    use Palm's security application (ideally together with Super Security:
    http://www.palmpowerups.com/modules....op=MostPopular)
    to lock your PDA when you're not using it. If the key is stored you
    will not be asked for it on restore, unless you do a hard reset (and
    a hard reset is all an intruder can do if the device is properly
    secured) in which case the key will be lost and will have to be retyped.
    Or you can set the key to "Prompt" and be asked for it on each
    backup/restore operation. This is more secure, but useless for
    scheduled backup.

    Note that typing in the wrong key will still allow the restore operation
    to continue, but the files will fail to restore correctly--you'll get
    lots of error messages. You can then try again with the right key.


    If your PDA is locked with Palm's security feature, I recommend AES
    encrypting your backups in such a case as the stored device password
    will be contained in the backups. See Menu | Options | Preferences.
    The 'quick' login feature of Palm security is not supported.


    Source code is available at handypalmstuff.sf.net.


    Updates:
    1.21: Disable turning off display as it's causing hangs.
    1.20: Check battery life before backing up.
    1.19: Hide filenames when backing up on locked device. NOTE: The
    filenames will still be visable on the SD card's backup set,
    even if the file contents are encrypted.
    1.18: Use official Palm function for turning off display.
    1.17: One-handed navigation in main form. Possible more reliable restore.
    1.16: Help prevent freeze after backup.
    1.15: Fix potential crash problem!
    1.14: Alert after a bad scheduled (or crashed manual) backup."
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    Wow great, where did you get that?

    What I am really trying to find out is this:

    If I were to create a backup, then hard reset, then restored from the backup, would everything be the same as it was? I am sure that there are some people here who have done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickf126 View Post
    Wow great, where did you get that?

    What I am really trying to find out is this:

    If I were to create a backup, then hard reset, then restored from the backup, would everything be the same as it was? I am sure that there are some people here who have done that.
    I can't speak for a Centro, but I have done it on my 700p, works great. Put everything back exactly. I was using BackupBuddy, NVBackup is much faster and reliable.
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    It will absolutely back up everything. I have NVBackup on my wife's Centro and my 755p. I have it set to do a backup every night (at 3am). Additionally, if I want to try some new program .... not to worry. I'll do a manual backup right before loading the new program. If the new program causes any problems (resets, crashes) or I simply do not like it, I'll do a hard reset and restore to the manual backup done right before the new program was loaded.

    I also back up the card onto my laptop so that if either phone is lost, I can restore the replacement phone to exactly where I was before. Hotsync does does back up everything, especially data on the card (which would obviously be lost also if the phone is lost).

    NVBackup is probably the most important/best 3rd party app I've ever used on my treo/centro devices
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    Restores everything on my Centro quickly and perfectly.
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    I used it for two years on my Treo700P and now have it on my Centro. It works like a charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanrealm View Post

    NVBackup is probably the most important/best 3rd party app I've ever used on my treo/centro devices
    I'll second this. NVBACKUP should absolutely be the very first app anybody ever installs, followed probably by a good uninstaller.
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    I'll third this. Also works good for selective restore when needed.
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    NVbackup is an essential works flawlessly backups and restores everything and its free.
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    Hey thanks guys. I have been using it for about a week now, and I love it. Really easy interface, and nice feedback while backing up.

    If we keeping singing the praises of this program the publisher may start charging for it! Haha he deserves it anyway. Thanks for all the feedback guys.
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    And it swaps data and apps onto another Centro.

    I was at the Verizon store trying to figure out what was wrong with my first Centro, when they unexpectedly gave me a replacement Centro. I just pulled the microSD card from the first Centro, and popped it in the new Centro. Then pulled up NVBackup app from the card and restored. Voila, missed nothing.

    I agree, this should be the first app installed, set and forget to do a 3am (or whatever) backup, keeping last three (or whatever).
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    Hello. I agree, nvbackup wonderful and vital.

    My question is has anyone used a 700p backup to switch to a Centro?

    I need to know soon, if you know as I've got to return Centro tomorrow if I want to at all...!

    Thanks,

    David
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    No, I would try to copy the files and databases one at a time.
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    I love NVBackup! However, has anyone had trouble with backup files becoming corrupted? I am checking now on my Centro, using the file mgr function within Zlauncher to open the NVbackup folders, and sure enough, the files have weird symbols mixed in the file name. Example: "A Parents Guide" shows up as "A%20Parents%20Guide"; "Pocket Tunes Song Databasev2_81042000.gz" shows up as "Pocket%20Tunes%20Song%20Database%20v2_81042000.gz".

    Are they actually corrupted or is that just a function of how NVbackup names files with spaces in the name? Does anyone else have file names like that?
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    If I am not mistaken "A%20Parents%20Guide" is the same as "A Parents Guide" without quotes.

    In otherwords %20 equals a space - it is how some servers Apache - Linux - Unix interpets the space. To eliminate the those characters, some code writers will use an underscore or a hypen as it will read better to us humans.

    "A_Parents_Guide" or "A-Parents-Guide" will eliminate the %20 - so %20 is not some form of corruption.

    BTW - another vote for a fantastic program NVBackup - one of most important programs to have IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbuckley View Post
    Hello. I agree, nvbackup wonderful and vital.

    My question is has anyone used a 700p backup to switch to a Centro?

    I need to know soon, if you know as I've got to return Centro tomorrow if I want to at all...!

    Thanks,

    David
    I should be getting a Centro tomorrow, I'll let you know how restoring a 650 backup goes. Worst thing is I'll hard reset if it bombs but at least we'll know.
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    Do not restore any of the System (OS) files and Preferences as they are specific to the device. Restoring them from a 650 will put older versions of everything on and might cause spontaneous resets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadams View Post
    I should be getting a Centro tomorrow, I'll let you know how restoring a 650 backup goes. Worst thing is I'll hard reset if it bombs but at least we'll know.
    Bad move installing a backup image from the 650 to a Centro. Default files are different, eg: Cookies and Saved Prefs.....

    The buttons and button key press codes are different and your Saved Prefs file from the 650 won't work in this area.

    Also, some apps you used on your 650 won't work properly on the Centro.

    Best course of action to upgrade from an older Palm device to a newer Palm device is to sync your PIM data and do a fresh install of your 3rd party apps with updated apps that work on the Centro......

    This will eliminate your fustration with the new device with not installing a backup image from an old device......

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