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  1. domer's Avatar
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    Not sure if this belongs here, but I thought some would find it interesting...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052301467.html
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    Seems to be about the 755...<moved>
    V > Vx > m505 > m515 > T/T > T3 > TC > 650 > 680
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    Good article... Pretty much says it all...
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    You're right, I was approaching it from the "I'm so frustrated with my 700p, should I look at the 755?" standpoint.
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    Lemme save you the trouble.

    I RTFA. He's underwhelmed by the 755p.

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    LOL, thanks!
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    I absolutely agree with his analysis. It just flowed.
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    My mother forwarded this article to me this morning. Palm's situation must be dire if grandma's are beginning to take note of their shortcomings.

    Also, how big of a Treo geek am I if I've got mommy keeping an eye out for me?
    Visor-->Visor Phone-->Treo 180-->Treo 270-->Treo 600-->Treo 650-->Treo 700P-->Treo 755P-->Centro-->Pre+-->Pre 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214 View Post
    I absolutely agree with his analysis. It just flowed.

    The article has a lot of truth to it. Hope Palm reads it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214 View Post
    I absolutely agree with his analysis. It just flowed.

    The article has a lot of truth to it. Hope Palm reads it.
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    To me he seems to take lots of time bashing Palm for lacking the upgrades he wanted (more megapixels, flash camera, slimmer size, etc.) without actually evaluating the phone against its competitors. Is he saying he'd rather have a larger phone if it meant getting a better camera or more battery life? Or is he saying he'd rather have a slimmer phone if it meant sacrificing either the touchscreen or keyboard? If he's saying those things then I understand him trashing the phone, but to me he sounds like just another nerd who didn't get the fantasy upgrades they were hoping for.

    I'll admit that I am a 755p user who is extremely happy with the phone so far. It's unquestionably the best phone I've used or that I've compared to what friends and acquaintances use (including Blackberry 8703e, Cingular 8525, Blackjack and 700w).

    To the author's point that the upgrade was disappointing, I can't compare the phone to the 700p since I don't own one and have never used one extensively. I can tell you the upgrades from the 650 that I love:

    -EVDO (obviouly unchanged from the 700p)
    -Better Blazer browser that loads previously viewed pages better (makes up for lack of multitasking a bit)
    -Space bar to highlight address bar in Blazer
    -ChatterEmail no longer causes calls to go straight to Voicemail (this should be the same as the 700p because it's EVDO)
    -No antenna (always carry in my pocket, so this is big for me)
    -Concave side panels (easier to hold)
    -Separate phone and Send buttons (same as 700p, I think)
    -Contacts pages down when holding down arrow on 5-way (may be the same as 700p)
    -Better speakerphone
    -Bluetooth headset answers calls more consistently
    -Better sound quality with or without Bluetooth headset
    -No need for SD card because of internal memory (I don't use music or video; that's what the iPod is for)
    -Holding down Home shows previous apps
    -IM app is great (way better than Agile Messenger, but kind of slow)
    -Stylus never slides out accidentally
    -Voice Memo
    -ChatterEmail reads email addresses from Contacts even if they are not listed as "Email"
    -Better ringtones
    -Ringtones assigned to each Contact
    -PDFs viewed in Docs to Go
    -MyTreo
    -Far fewer freezes and resets
    -Sometimes had to blow into headset jack after removing 650 earpiece
    -Sync via USB frequently didn't work with 650
    -Burgundy color looks better
    -Bluetooth DUN does not have to be toggled on/off
    -Bluetooth can be set to Hidden or Temporary
    -Bluetooth icon indicates if a headset is paired

    There are some things I dislike as well. It is still heavier than I'd like. ZLauncher won't launch Docs To Go and I can't set it as the default launcher. Also it lacks Wi-Fi and EVDO Rev A.

    Still, overall I am extremely happy and at this point I'd have a hard time believing that another phone on the market is better than this one for people primarily interested in phone/email/text/Internet/PIM usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Feather View Post
    To me he seems to take lots of time bashing Palm for lacking the upgrades he wanted (more megapixels, flash camera, slimmer size, etc.) without actually evaluating the phone against its competitors. Is he saying he'd rather have a larger phone if it meant getting a better camera or more battery life? Or is he saying he'd rather have a slimmer phone if it meant sacrificing either the touchscreen or keyboard? If he's saying those things then I understand him trashing the phone, but to me he sounds like just another nerd who didn't get the fantasy upgrades they were hoping for.
    Let's see:

    Megapixels-Nokia and HTC are including at least 2.0 megapixel shooters, some Nokias and Sony-Ericsson's are 3 and up. Worth it? Maybe not, but when everyone else at the level you are playing at includes a better cam than you, there's a problem.

    Battery life: Nokias are all rated for decent battery life. Also, the blackjack has not so great battery life but they at least tried to fix that with a battery pack option as well as the extra battery being standard. Perfect? No. But there are creative ways to try to solve those issues.

    Size: Touchscreens and keyboards can be done smaller. My old TX was a third of the thickness of a treo. Sony Ericsson has some touch-screen smartphones that are thinner as well. So the touchscreen adds some thickness, but really, how damn big is the cellular radio that it needs to be THAT much thicker than a TX or T5? I don't have it handy for comparison right now, but I am even 80% sure that the TC was about the size or smaller than a Treo, and that was out a loooong time ago. Point being, it's not an issue of the tech not being available, it's an issue of the design being behind.

    I thought the article was well thought out. He was pretty generic, and didn't do a full on head to head with the competition, but his points were valid. One thing we forget here is that not everyone needs all the features of a treo. Not everyone needs a touch screen, not everyone thinks Palm OS is the best thing since sliced bread and plumbing, and not everyone has years and years of 3rd party software built up in their libraries. For those people, the Treo doesn't stack up as well as the competition.

    I also think there's an undercurrent in his article of "why, exactly, was this device made?", which I agree with. It's a relatively simple upgrade, but it offers very little above and beyond the 700p, as many have pointed out. And yes, the 700p has had some major issues. But still. Maybe Palm used all their creative juices on the Hawk/3rd Business/Foleo/Knight in shining Armor (H3BFKSA). But the H3BFKSA had better be AWESOME or there is going to be a serious backlash, with more articles like this one I think. Everyone is giving Palm a pass, with the hopes that they'll yank a miracle out of their collective butts. No miracle=no pass.
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    I still get amazed that people could think, "why, exactly, was this device made?" Use one and you'll see that it's obvious.
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    I think this guy is over the top.

    My 755P is better than my 700P. It feels better, it's more stable, it's just...better.

    For this Palm addict (I had started with the Palm V), I didn't buy the phone expecting the world. I bought it because I knew it'd be a noticeable improvement over my 700. I was right. My reception is better, it browses faster, it's been reset free for 3 days now, and I have some software on it.

    Palm started the revolution, they're going to keep on leading. Hawk is a proud man, he's not going to let Apple, or anyone else steal his thunder. I'm staying with Palm, because it's where it all began. I have a certain pride, using my Palm.

    I think the crack berry is a good device, but it's missing some stuff. My Palm, is still the only phone that has what I want, all I want.

    My bet is that the next phone Hawk comes out with will once again raise the bar that he set. I bought the 755P not only because it's a better phone, but also to show Palm that I'm still a customer. They need to see it from us too, ya know.

    Also, using My Palm I get to use really cool apps by really cool developers like C.E Steuart Dewar, the Datebk man. His wife runs a gorilla foundation that is way cool. CESD doesn't need the money, it's all a labor of love. Then there's Limin, EZRemote. The dude is just righteous. What about Jens, who wrote BigClock? What about some of those guys who wrote some of the really cool and neato hacks? The folks over at Snappermail rock. Sorry man, the Palm is beechin (the forum software blocks colorful words). For me, it's not just a device. It says who I am as a person and what I value.

    Remember what everyone said about Apple when Chief Gil was in charge? Everyone wrote them off. Then came Jobs, then came the iMac, then came iTunes. Now Mac's run on the Intel processer, their stock is soaring.

    Hawk, you go and kick their arse. Show 'em who's still the man, Hawk.
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    I think he's pretty much right on track. And he IS a Palm fan. Last I heard, his personal phone was a Treo, and he's always rated the Palm Treos better than there competition. He's just disapointed, as most of us are, at the lack of any real innovation or improvement from Palm. With each new phone they add a few new things, but break something else. On balance, there's no major progress.

    Sure, the 755 has incremental improvements over the 700, but lets face it, they're not very significant. For the most part, all the improvements do is fix things that should have been fixed on the 700. If Sprint wanted to upggrade me for free I'd probably take it, but maybe not: the reduction in battery life is a signifcant downside. But PAY to side-grade? Not a chance.

    Other than lack of antenna, the 755p isn't really any different than the 700. Other than EVDO and memory, the 700P isn't signficantly different than the 650. And other than screen and keyboard, the 650 wasn't signifcantly different than the 600. It's been a L-O-N-G time since Palm showed us any real innovation.

    I still feed the Palm OS Treo is the best integrated device for my needs, but that doesn't change the fact that frankengarnet is ancient, creaky, and barely stable, and that it greatly limits the capabilities of the phone. (No Wi-Fi, for example). The market for ancient, creaky PDA software is rapidly fading. There's a 3 foot hole in the Palm Treo's hull, and Palm keeps trying to patch it with band-aids. I don't think Palm can (or will) add enough capabilities and features to frankengarnet to ever entice me to upgrade.

    All us Palm OS fans are hoping the promised Linux OS will show us the light, but I have little faith that Palm understands how to write software any more. Cobalt was a disaster, and the folks that created the Palm PDA apps seem to be, for the most part, absent. What new software features has Palm shown us lately? Nothing that wasn't done by others years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    I still feed the Palm OS Treo is the best integrated device for my needs, but that doesn't change the fact that frankengarnet is ancient, creaky, and barely stable, and that it greatly limits the capabilities of the phone. (No Wi-Fi, for example). The market for ancient, creaky PDA software is rapidly fading. There's a 3 foot hole in the Palm Treo's hull, and Palm keeps trying to patch it with band-aids. I don't think Palm can (or will) add enough capabilities and features to frankengarnet to ever entice me to upgrade.
    You just watched PoTC, didn't you

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    He's wrong about Mac sync. iSync works just fine.

    Tom
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    Ok. frankly this arguement and these debate threads are getting pretty old. Meyerweb, almost everything you said is right on. But so what? Put it in context.

    The 755p is a holdover device to carry Palm to the Linux Treo (and it better be good). If they were still peddling 700p's in September sales would thank and investers would rightfully go nuts. Palm is not going to put too much wffort into anything byt the Linux devices so the 755p is the best they can do till fall/winter.

    Yes Cobalt was a disaster. But how many developers from Cobalt do you think are working on the Linux product? They all went with Palmsource into oblivion. btwit wasn't the developers fault, blame the product manager and architects.

    Viewed accurately, the 755p does exactly what it needs to to keep new sales up till the next big thing gets here. That is the correct perspective.
    Palms and more Palms till the 700p ruined it for me. Blackberry and now the Pre. Sprint customer since 1994! They had 1 tower in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homie View Post
    Viewed accurately, the 755p does exactly what it needs to to keep new sales up till the next big thing gets here. That is the correct perspective.
    A 2 Megapixel camera would not have broken the bank I am sure, or required a massive amount of development. The software being at a standstill is understandable, but why is the hardware also going nowhere?

    Surur
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    At this point "Hawk" is in a manhole, he's not "the man" yet. That will be determined by the mystery device.
    If palm keeps its rate of innovation at its current slow rate, apple WILL steal the show in time.
    The guy made many valid points - the decade of disorganization, the stagnating os, you know all the rest which I really don't have to go over yet again.
    I think if we were given a "true" upgrade device, those who bought the 755 would feel pretty ripped off. I think people who have to have the latest and greatest sometimes justify most everything even though the devices really aren't much of a change.

    I really think that's the case here.
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