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  1.    #1  
    I'm replacing my 680 -- bought it advertised as new, only to find someone else's old pictures on it (that was a bit creepy), and the dealer has agreed to replace it with a genuinely new one.

    would it be possible to use a backup utility such as NVBackup to move everything over to the new one? that is,

    1) backup the old 680 to SD card

    2) pull the card, insert into the new 680

    3) call up NVBackup from the card and copy to the new device

    ??

    I'd really hate to have to start all over again from scratch, but of course I will if I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayfield View Post
    I'm replacing my 680 -- bought it advertised as new, only to find someone else's old pictures on it (that was a bit creepy), and the dealer has agreed to replace it with a genuinely new one.

    would it be possible to use a backup utility such as NVBackup to move everything over to the new one? that is,

    1) backup the old 680 to SD card

    2) pull the card, insert into the new 680

    3) call up NVBackup from the card and copy to the new device

    ??

    I'd really hate to have to start all over again from scratch, but of course I will if I have to.
    Yeah, that should work. Hard reset the new phone first, just to be sure.
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    Will the back up still have the "old" stuff from the prior owner on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    Will the back up still have the "old" stuff from the prior owner on it?
    He's the "prior owner".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    He's the "prior owner".
    I meant the "old pictures" he found on his supposedly new 680 . . . . . a back up would retain those . . .unless he has deleted them off or did a hard reset of that first device before loading his own info. . . . . . .

    . . . I just did not want him to be surprised if they showed up on his replacement device via the backup. . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    I meant the "old pictures" he found on his supposedly new 680 . . . . . a back up would retain those . . .unless he has deleted them off or did a hard reset of that first device before loading his own info. . . . . . .

    . . . I just did not want him to be surprised if they showed up on his replacement device via the backup. . . . .
    I assumed that he's already deleted those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    Yeah, that should work. Hard reset the new phone first, just to be sure.
    Perry, this should have elminated the pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christinac130 View Post
    Perry, this should have elminated the pics...
    No, the pics were on the "old" phone; that's the one that's being replaced. But I assume he deleted them before he backed up the phone to the card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayfield View Post
    I'm replacing my 680 -- bought it advertised as new, only to find someone else's old pictures on it (that was a bit creepy), and the dealer has agreed to replace it with a genuinely new one.
    I thought the pics were on the new phone...

    Oh, I see...you're referring to the replacement he's going to be getting. LOL...this is a lot of back and forth for some pics that are probably long gone already...
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    ok, everyone calm down.

    I have to say, those pictures made me wonder whether they might have survived a hard reset -- is this possible? -- maybe only because 1) I couldn't imagine someone not resetting a returned phone before trying to resell it, and 2) everything else on the phone was quite clean. (reminds me, I'd better remember to remove the SIM along with the SD card.)

    and er, as it happens, those pictures are still on the Arctic, only because I wanted to hang onto them as "evidence."

    my only worry is TomTom, since I gather the maps are device-specific. I've already had to change the registration codes numbers moving from the 650->680, I hope they won't stick this time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayfield View Post
    ...and er, as it happens, those pictures are still on the Arctic, only because I wanted to hang onto them as "evidence."
    You can always delete any pictures you don't want from within the Pictures & Videos app. BTW, there are 3 or 4 "hard-coded" pictures in the Treo 680, that, even if you delete them from within the Pictures & Videos app, will re-appear after a hard reset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    No, the pics were on the "old" phone; that's the one that's being replaced. But I assume he deleted them before he backed up the phone to the card.
    Ah, but you are assuming that the only thing left over on the "old" phone from the "original" owner were the pics.

    In reality setting and other "invisible" things could also have been hiding on the "old" Treo, therefore they would be copied over to the new one if he restores from a card backup done from the "old" one.

    I would have started from fresh on the new one, only copying over the basic PIM data
    Thought of the day :
    No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    BTW, there are 3 or 4 "hard-coded" pictures in the Treo 680, that, even if you delete them from within the Pictures & Videos app, will re-appear after a hard reset.
    Oops, I hope these aren't the ones he spotted, otherwise it was a big waste of time returning the first Treo
    Thought of the day :
    No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway
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    in the interests of steering away from the weirdly circular nature of this thread:

    when I pick the phone up, I'm planning also to pull the battery from the old 680 and put it in the new one, because it's been "conditioned" twice. however, is the conditioning a function of the 680 or the battery -- IOW, will have have to drain/refill *again*?
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    'Conditioning' is a word used to describe getting full potential out of a battery. In contrast, 'Calibrating' relates to optimising the battery meter in the 680. Based on my reading and my experience, the benefits we are seeing when we do the discharge/charge routine is due to calibration, not conditioning. LiIon batteries are not meant to be conditioned and do not require it (according to www.batteryuniversity.com and also what several battery technicians have said in earlier posts). In fact, fully draining these batteries can decrease their lifespan if done too often. So, based on these points, I would say you will see no advantage from keeping the old battery, but possibly some disadvantage, so I think you should use the new one.
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    We seem to have conflicting advice here. . . . .

    The instructions that came with my 2400mAh battery from Lion Battery said: fully discharge and recharge the battery 3 to 5 times to fully set the battery's chemistry for FULLEST POWER and then keep it topped off as often as possible for longevity purposes. These instructions came from the battery manufacturer, whether they apply to Lithium Ion batteries produced by other manufacturers, I do not know.

    Cheers, Perry.
  19.    #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by DIG View Post
    'Conditioning' is a word used to describe getting full potential out of a battery. In contrast, 'Calibrating' relates to optimising the battery meter in the 680. Based on my reading and my experience, the benefits we are seeing when we do the discharge/charge routine is due to calibration, not conditioning[....] So, based on these points, I would say you will see no advantage from keeping the old battery, but possibly some disadvantage, so I think you should use the new one.
    from my quite unscientific observations, I concur that the greater benefit comes from calibration -- judging from how long it took the 680 to discharge after getting to single digits the first time I drained it to empty. however I am not convinced that the way the Treo indexes the power isn't at least tied in part to the curve of the battery's discharge, so I think conditioning is a good thing, too. granted that is a completely ignorant assumption, probably taken to justify my switching out the new battery from the new 680 and replacing it with the old one. (another facto was I really wanted to do some Plucker reading on the subway ride home.)

    kudos, by the way, to the Palm store in Rockefeller Center, which handled this delicate issue very professionally. and also to NVBackup, which recreated the new 680 in the old one's image within about two minutes, it was extraordinary. of course I'm going to have to call TomTom on Monday.

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