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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    ...You can check this by enabling/ disabling TreoMute and viewing the Treo System Sound Preferences.
    I just enabled TM. Sound & Alerts reports the following volume settings:
    Ring Tones: Off
    Phone Alerts: 4
    Calendar: Off
    Messaging: Off
    System: Off (...but I keep this as "Off" all the time, anyway)
    Game: Off

    All alert types are checked in TM. Again, I'm using a Treo 680.
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  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    I just enabled TM. Sound & Alerts reports the following volume settings:
    Phone Alerts: 4
    It could be possible that some other software is resetting the volume level. Can you disable Butler and try again?

    In the meanwhile I will review the code and see if there is any bug in TreoMute (possible) or if the 680 API is different (it shouldn't be).

    That having been said, TreoMute does not blindlly set the value to zero, it does some weird things to ensure that the volume will return to normal (it would be disastrous if the volumes are not returned to something other than zero) on resetting TreoMute, maybe I need to re-check what it does.

    - mvk
  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    It could be possible that some other software is resetting the volume level. Can you disable Butler and try again?
    Disabling Butler makes no difference: Phone Alerts volume remains "4" (it's normal setting). I'll hard reset the phone, install TreoMute and see if there's any difference.
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  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    Disabling Butler makes no difference: Phone Alerts volume remains "4" (it's normal setting). I'll hard reset the phone, install TreoMute and see if there's any difference.

    Hey Bill!!!

    Wait!!! Don't hard-reset the phone!!!

    You can instead, delete TreoMute saved and unsaved preferences and try again.... Creator ID is 'TrMu'

    Only, you'll need to enter the TreoMute reg code again, and that can be a pain.

    - mvk

    PS: also, you need to exit the "Sound & Alert" preferences before enabling/ disabling TreoMute as the settings may get overwritten.
  5. #65  
    Calm down, GreenHex. I'm going to restore after the test.

    I had to hard reset the phone and test with it in an empty state (TM as the only 3rd party app installed) in order to make sure that some other app wasn't interfering with TreoMute.

    The results are the same: all volumes are set to 0, except Phone Alerts. It looks like this is yet another area in which Palm changed an API when they created the 680.
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  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    The results are the same: all volumes are set to 0, except Phone Alerts. It looks like this is yet another area in which Palm changed an API when they created the 680.
    Sorry for startling you!

    I'll check this tonight and post a fix quickly if I can identify what's going wrong...

    I've just tried this on the 680 simulator (ROW) and it works correctly, though.

    - mvk

    PS: what about the vibrate settings, are they ok?
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    PS: what about the vibrate settings, are they ok?
    TM sets them all to "Always"...is that what it's supposed to do?

    BTW, my phone is TREO680-1.04-ROW
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  8. #68  
    Disagree on the price issue - if it isn't worth $5 or $10, then how valuable is it to us?

    Think some are determining value based on GreenHex putting out the beta overnight. Time to develope is not the basis for price. What it DOES, should be the basis.

    If it took 3 weeks to create, would it be worth $30?

    GreenHex, a lesson I learned long ago: don't perform too quickly, or the product/service you provide is undervalued.

    Just my opinion,
    RJuhl
  9. #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by rjuhl View Post
    Disagree on the price issue

    GreenHex, a lesson I learned long ago: don't perform too quickly, or the product/service you provide is undervalued.
    rjuhl!

    Thank you so much for this...

    Every product or service that we purchase is priced not based on how much it costs but how much the customer values it.

    Sometimes, as a beginner (I am/ was new to PalmOS stuff), the urge to please is so great that one ignores even basic considerations of this type.

    Besides, the thrill of beating some imagined deadline is too much.

    I suppose a more mature (and experienced) person would responded as appropriate, after weighing-in the consequences. (I'm not refering to this particular instance regarding TreoMute).

    - mvk
  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    TM sets them all to "Always"...is that what it's supposed to do?

    BTW, my phone is TREO680-1.04-ROW
    Bill... this problem appears to be slightly more involved than I thought. (no, my response is not related to rjuhl's comment).

    "Always" is fine, as the phone should vibrate when in silent mode (set my TreoMute), irrespective of the mute button position ("When Sound Off").

    - mvk
  11. #71  
    Bill,

    I think there is some bug in the API. I wrote a small program to ONLY set the phone volume and it does not work the way it is described in the documentation. It works on the 650.

    Reporting this to Palm, I'm not too sure, as the responses to queries on the Pluggedin forums are canned replies with answers that have no relevance to the questions, they make no sense. In fact, almost all of the questions there go unanswered.

    - mvk

    PS: I was mistaken in my previous observation that it works on the simulator, it doesn't work there as well.

    PPS: What is the "Ring Tones" option? (I mean what does it do on the 680) This is not to be found in the 650. The Phone Volume appears to set the values for this instead of "Phone Alerts" That brings us to the question of what "Phone Alerts" does anyway?


    ---
    Found the answer to PPS: "Ring Tones" sets the call settings, "Phone Alerts" sets the voicemail alerts.

    So... I was wrong about being wrong...

    .
    Last edited by GreenHex; 04/28/2007 at 11:37 AM.
  12. #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    I think there is some bug in the API. I wrote a small program to ONLY set the phone volume and it does not work the way it is described in the documentation. It works on the 650...
    Welcome to the fabulous undocumented Treo 680 APIs! It seems that Palm brought in a new crop of programmers who either decided to bypass several standard APIs when they started coding for the 680, or just didn't read the literature. Ask Rob at HobbyistSoftware about the now-unreachable LED API.
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  13. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gamble View Post
    Welcome to the fabulous undocumented Treo 680 APIs!
    ...
    Ask Rob at HobbyistSoftware about the now-unreachable LED API.
    This is sick, really... There must be some way to set the VM volume.

    - mvk
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    #74  
    this is one of the applications i use every single day, a really handy tool.

    here's one useful "trick" i discovered while playing a scrabble game on the T with a friend yesterday. when i switched to mute using TM, I couldnt get the TM info window to disappear while still within the game, and I ended up having to exit out of the game to do so. tapping in or around the window didnt help.

    a little experimentation then led to flicking the hardware mute switch, which hey presto does make it immediately diasappear. this works with everything else ive tried, except Zlauncher- maybe because I've put that in ROM?

    i call the trick..... TreoMuteMask

    ah, I just noticed it also works for TreoWink.

    cheers
    geoff

    Treo 650 1.20 LAP.
  15. #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by TRgEOff View Post
    i call the trick..... TreoMuteMask

    ah, I just noticed it also works for TreoWink.
    Wierd but useful things happen on the Treo... Thanks for the useful tip!!!
  16.    #76  
    Hi mvk,

    I recently upgraded to version 2 of TreoMute. I had my Treo muted and received a call (ringtones did not sound, as expected). The caller left a message, and my new message alert *did* sound. I'm using a Treo 700p with firmware version 1.10-Sprint. I'm not sure whether this is something new to TreoMute 2.0 or the new firmware, or whether this is something that's been there all along. Is there any info I can provide to help correct this?

    Thanks,
    Marc
  17. #77  
    Quote Originally Posted by mfield View Post
    The caller left a message, and my new message alert *did* sound. I'm using a Treo 700p with firmware version 1.10-Sprint.
    Is this is the "Voicemail" problem mentioned in one of the posts above by Bill Gamble?

    At the moment, I have no solution for this, and my mails to Palm have not got any responses.

    - mvk

    PS: I am on the constant look-out for tips on this, so if I do get some leads, I'll fix this problem immediately.
    Game over!
  18.    #78  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    Is this is the "Voicemail" problem mentioned in one of the posts above by Bill Gamble?
    Yes, I've read your discussion with Bill and checked the sound prefs after enabling TreoMute, and it's the same problem. Just on a different device. I hope you're successful in tracking this one down!

    One thought: Have you asked other developers, such as Jeff Gibson, who wrote Profile Care (which also has a mute function) how to work around this? I have no idea how cooperative the Palm developer community is, but it would be great to get this sorted out.

    Marc
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    #79  
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    Thanks... I used to use "TreoMax" (freeware) by Stephen Goh before I wrote this... TreoMax worked flawlessly, but had other functionality that I did not use.
    A bug report for you regarding TreoWink. It will only activate in some of my programs on my post-MR Treo 700p. It would not activate in TomTom Navigator nor in most of my games, regardless of what option I choose to activate with. Actually, about the only thing I could get it to activate within was in "BridgeOC" and in there, when the selection alert "went away", it would leave behind screen corruption.
  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by tc600 View Post
    A bug report for you regarding TreoWink. It will only activate in some of my programs on my post-MR Treo 700p.
    Aaah... the 700p MR. I thought TreoWink/ TreoMute/ TreoPref were immune to it. It is amazing Palm breaking their own published API. None of the TreoXxxx utilities use any undocumented calls, so they need to function exactly as before on all supported devices (all current devices except the Treo 600, in some cases). I need to study what was changed in the 700p if these details are available at all.

    - mvk
    Game over!
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