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  1. #21  
    It didn't bother me until I saw the Ipod Video's screen. Damn 'dem apples
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    #22  
    Man, I'm hoping short-term memory loss is the answer to this! I hope I go to sleep and wake up and forget I ever read this thread. I swore I didn't have a white boarder until I pulled out my palm and there it was. I think I still love my Treo, but now I'm mot so sure.
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheFly View Post
    Man, I'm hoping short-term memory loss is the answer to this! I hope I go to sleep and wake up and forget I ever read this thread. I swore I didn't have a white boarder until I pulled out my palm and there it was. I think I still love my Treo, but now I'm mot so sure.
    LOL...it's not that bad!
  4. #24  
    *laugh* This has been bugging me for years. Yes, I'd pay for an app, but I remember a really old thread from ages ago that said this wasn't possible. Apparently that white border is all hardware on our displays, can't even address it in software. I'd love to be proven wrong.
  5. #25  
    i have never noticed it, now it bothering me to death....realy with Zlauncher
    ATT Treo 680 Crimson
  6. #26  
    I wrote this a long while back on Brighthand, in case anyone's interested in the "why" behind the white border...

    ***************************

    Yes, indeed, there is a two-pixel border around most (most, but not all) Palm OS color screens, giving you a "sort of" 324x324 resolution screen. Not many people seem to notice or talk about this, but I'm glad you did because, for some pathetic reason, I will enjoy telling you all about it.

    Here's the deal...The original PalmPilot had a 160x160 B&W screen. The screen when turned off was a light greenish color. The OS/GUI was designed such that text went all the way up to the edges of that 160-pixel border, because the "dead space" of the light green screen acted as a margin.

    Things got tricky when they went to color, because a color screen is typically black when turned off. So, if they left things alone, you'd have black text all the way up to the border, making for poor readability. Rather than re-tweak all the apps to build in a border, they added a two-pixel "hard" border which was always on/white (and, AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK, $couldn$'$t$ $be$ &$quot$;$touched$&$quot$; $by$ $developers$). $This$ $solved$ $the$ $problem$ $in$ $a$ &$quot$;$hack$&$quot$; $sort$ $of$ $way$, $but$ $I$ $actually$ $think$ $it$ $was$ $a$ $good$ $thing$, $because$ $it$ $means$ $that$ $developers$ $can$ $utilize$ $the$ $full$ $resolution$ $of$ $a$ $Palm$ $OS$ $device$ $without$ $having$ $to$ $build$ $margins$ $into$ $their$ $apps$. $This$ $is$ $not$ $true$ $of$ $the$ $PPC$ $OS$, $for$ $instance$, $so$ $for$ $most$ $productivity$ $apps$ ($games$ $wouldn$'$t$ $apply$), $you$'$ll$ $have$ $less$ $than$ $the$ $PPC$'$s$ $240x320$ $resolution$ $filled$ $with$ &$quot$;$useful$ $data$.&$quot$;

    Above, I mentioned that not all Palm OS devices followed this "standard." I owned a Samsung i300 smartphone at one point and they didn't include the "hard border." But they also didn't tweak the apps to build in a "soft border." The result was that readability suffered in apps like the memo pad where the text went all the way against the left edge. This also made it difficult to tap on the screen and position the cursor at the beginning of a line (this was further hampered by the fact that Samsung used a fairly small screen, so everything was smaller and more difficult to tap on anyway).

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    I mentioned that I thought it was a good design idea on Palm's part when moving from monochrome to color, but I agree that with the advent of multimedia apps on the Palm OS, the need/desire to turn it off increases. There are some apps out there that will turn off the border on some devices, but it all depends on the hardware specifics of the graphics controller/screen and I don't believe that the 700p (or most Treos?) are wired to allow for this.
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
  7. #27  
    Has anyone tried this app on the Treo? Supposedly replaces white border with a black one?

    http://canuck-software.ca/blackborder.html
  8. #28  
    It says it's compatible with the 650...

    I just tried it on the 680 and it's not working...
    Last edited by Christinac130; 04/26/2007 at 04:14 PM.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by Christinac130 View Post
    It says it's compatible with the 650...

    I just tried it on the 680 and it's not working...
    didn't work on 650.....just kept beeping until I removed the battery...and it locks at powered up screen.

    hard reset time......luckily a backup just occurred an hr ago.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by cadman View Post
    didn't work on 650.....just kept beeping until I removed the battery...and it locks at powered up screen.

    hard reset time......luckily a backup just occurred an hr ago.
    Wow! And it actually says it's compatible on the 650?? I'm glad it didn't do that to my 680...
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by cadman View Post
    didn't work on 650.....just kept beeping until I removed the battery...and it locks at powered up screen.

    hard reset time......luckily a backup just occurred an hr ago.
    http://www.palmone.com/cgi-bin/cso_kbURL.cgi?ID=887

    See: Warm Reset.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by khaytsus View Post
    Yeah, but I wanted to make sure it was off my device.
    Thanks for the link.
  13. #33  
    Uninstall Manager would have done that...
  14. #34  
    Hi,

    I'm the developer of BlackBorder. If you noticed, under Requirements, it says, "LifeDrive, Palm TX, and mostly on Zire 72 devices". Treo 650 is not supported, and the Treo 650 is only mentioned in the update history as originally there were some misconstrued reports that it did work. I will edit the program page to more clearly mention it.
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by robitaille88 View Post
    Hi,

    I'm the developer of BlackBorder. If you noticed, under Requirements, it says, "LifeDrive, Palm TX, and mostly on Zire 72 devices". Treo 650 is not supported, and the Treo 650 is only mentioned in the update history as originally there were some misconstrued reports that it did work. I will edit the program page to more clearly mention it.
    Maybe you can work on it so it WILL work with the 650/700???
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  16. #36  
    Unfortunately, the Treo 700p/680 uses different LCD screen controls than the LifeDrive and TX. There is no easy way to make BlackBorder compatible with it (or any of the other incompatible Palms).

    And then there's the whole thing that it's freeware, along with practically all my software. I've been making free Palm programs since 2004 and to date have only recieve 2 donations. What I would like you to remember is that I am in university and have many other things to do, so please try and understand that currently I have no plan on adding further device compatibility.
  17. #37  
    Well, I'm sure it's a great app on the devices it works with. I'm sorry, I guess I got too excited at the thought of a possible fix that I misread the 650 compatibility. I'm sure those that can use it, really appreciate it...
  18. #38  
    What tha? You all are going to blow up your Treos, over the poor stupid white border. Leave the poor thing alone and be happy. LOL
    Matty
  19. #39  
    Just wanted to see if it would work....my 650 is like an older computer.....drop it kick it, punch it, and it won't die....look at new machines/ treos and they reboot/ reset.
  20. #40  
    I use my phone with an application called Astromist to aide me in my stargazing sessions. Every serious astronomer wants to preserve his/her night vision by avoiding white light. Red is the best color to preserve night vision, and Astromist has a red/black mode for this purpose, but the white boarder persists.

    I also wish I could change the backlight color of the keyboard.

    Laters,

    Tendolla650
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