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    Midmofan nice post, here is my opinion.

    So here be my thoughts:

    -The 755p IS the "Sherlock" The may/june date is just too close together to be anything else. Perhaps it was originally going to be june but the announcement of the 755p has been moved up so as not not be burried by the I-phone.
    I never believed in the Sherlock rumor. I don't care what Jeff Hawking claim. He hasn't been the one who run the business for many years.

    I real doubt that Palm will get themselves into a "third tier" business when they are still trying to sell themselves. Unless they have tried eveny potential buyer and nobody is interested.

    -The 775p will be FrankenGarnet, and will be the LAST FrankenGarnet phone. I think Palm felt it needed to give PalmOS users one more phone to hold them over until they either figure out this Linux thing or until sufficent time has elapsed in the market so that they can abandon PalmOS totally for WM without looking like even bigger idiots for selling and buying back the OS rights. Depending on your point of view, you could say they are responding to their loyal PalmOS user base, or that they are just trying to shut us up.
    Well people has been saying that since 700p. The point is does it matter anymore? The fact that they are releasing a POS5 device at the middle of 07 is indirect proof that they are not doing Access anymore. There should at least another POS5 non-phone PDA after 755p.

    -It will include many amazing features that Palm and Sprint have JUST decided that customers might be interested in, like internal antena and wi-fi. I don' t think it will have true multi-tasking (voice/data). I think that is too difficult to do with Garnet without causing all sorts of stability problems. They might be willing to try that if Garnet was a platform that they would support going forward, but that is not the case. Why do so much work and create so many hassles and CSR calls for something they don't plan on keeping?
    WiFi? I am sorry I just threw my tea at the screen. Not in a million year.

    -Although it was not originally designed as a "fix" for the 700p problems, it will have addressed many of those issues thanks to all complaints of the lowly power-users. Lag will be better, P-Tunes wont skip, SMS will be better. At the same time the 755p comes out, there will be firmwhere patch for the 700p (yeah the "1st Q" date will slip!). The patch won't solve all the problems, but its all 700p users are going to get.There will be the hope that this will satisfy all the complainers out there -- or at least they will go away.
    I never had problem with pTunes and SMS anyway. The problem with POS is more fundamental -- multitasking.

    If Palm gets bought out, the situation could be even worse as there will be little incentive to keep with PalmOS. Nokia or Moto or whoever is likely to see WM as the future. Even if a Linux OS comes out, if a new company owns Palm it may not have anything to do with the PalmOs we use now.
    Well at least that will give me, who has many accessories and software tied up to the Treo platform something to look forward to. If they don't get brought out I am looking at a sinking ship right here.

    -After the 755 is out, there will be a new WM device announced that will **** all of us Palm users off since it will have something really cool that we wish would have been on the 755p.
    Nah, the WM5 and POS5 Treo phones are so similar feature wise nowadays. You make your bed if you decide to buy the 755p yourself.

    -The I-Phone will have monster sales and Palm wont understand why. Well, everybody except the Apple guy they just hired, but he wont be able to explain it to anybody else!
    Wasn't the guy who directed the doomed Cobalt POS6 project also a former Apple employee? LOL Palm who give a ****?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Hair View Post
    Except that if you buy the Sprint phone you're still stuck with Sprint. Then again, some of us *cough* like Sprint and am happy enough to wait for our little upgrade bonus.

    (six more months... six more months...)

    Oh, and for you Sprint customers who are unhappy with how long it may be until you hit the two year mark, Sprint does also offer a $75 one-year upgrade bonus.
    I, too, like Sprint *double-cough* and have been with them for 4+ years! Yes, waiting for those upgrade bonuses are painful! Its worth it, as the data and SMS (sent and received 9000+ last month ) prices are still amongst the best in the business!
  4. #44  
    I love Sprint! I am saving $588 per year in free PowerVision vs. $49 at Verizon or Cingular. That buys a lot of bubblegum my friends. And where I live -- Sprint has complete coverage.
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    I WANT to stay with sprint - I have the SERO deal with unlimited data and will never have a phone setup as cheap as this - will sprint honor the SERO if I change phones to a windows palm device?
    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post
    I WANT to stay with sprint - I have the SERO deal with unlimited data and will never have a phone setup as cheap as this - will sprint honor the SERO if I change phones to a windows palm device?
    I know they require a purchase from a limited list of phones on the SERO Web site to set up a SERO account -- but I do not believe you are tied forever to that phone. Your SERO plan should go forward with any Sprint phone you wish to change to -- if you are still in the 2 year contract period, however, you will probably have to pay full price for it -- unless you buy a used one.

    Call retentions to make sure -- but the continuance of your SERO plan SHOULD not be dependent on the phone used.. . . .

    Cheers, Perry.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    I love Sprint! I am saving $588 per year in free PowerVision vs. $49 at Verizon or Cingular. That buys a lot of bubblegum my friends. And where I live -- Sprint has complete coverage.
    How comes you gots the vision o power for free?

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    Combination of the SERO offer and end of contract negotiations with retentions. . . . .
  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    Combination of the SERO offer and end of contract negotiations with retentions. . . . .
    Um, wow! Is this a rare thing, whatcha did?! Something had to come first, guessing that ya subscribed to the Sero plan under contract initially, then trickled down month-to-month after 18-24 months. Then Bamo! Upgrade to 700P with retentions and get the Power Vision savings!

    I'm also wondering if one has a discount off a company plan after 18 months if one could get retentions to help out with any discounts.

    Me? I'm in neither camp. I have a T650 and am currently month-to-month w/Sprint--no SERO plan--and will be elgible for the every 2 year plan (used to be 18 months) this May. I'm on the fence with the 755p and might upgrade later this summer. Any suggestions for me, Perry?
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by KevMeister View Post
    Um, wow! Is this a rare thing, whatcha did?! Something had to come first, guessing that ya subscribed to the Sero plan under contract initially, then trickled down month-to-month after 18-24 months. Then Bamo! Upgrade to 700P with retentions and get the Power Vision savings!

    I'm also wondering if one has a discount off a company plan after 18 months if one could get retentions to help out with any discounts.

    Me? I'm in neither camp. I have a T650 and am currently month-to-month w/Sprint--no SERO plan--and will be elgible for the every 2 year plan (used to be 18 months) this May. I'm on the fence with the 755p and might upgrade later this summer. Any suggestions for me, Perry?
    Hey Kev!

    No great negotiation skills on my part, a SERO plan includes free Vision or Power Vision. The only reason I ended up talking with retentions is that SERO is for a new line of service and I was at month 23 of my current contract and wanted to keep my same telephone number. (I could have opened a SERO and let my existing line drop -- but I wanted to keep my same number.) Retentions was great, let me purchase the 700P at full discount (not offered at the time as a Sero phone) and set me up with that program on my current line of service.

    I would wait until May/June. . . . see what the ROM update for the 700p does fix and compare that to the rumored 755p. Then you could choose between a fire sale 700p or the new 755 at the 2 year re-up price.

    Cheers, Perry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Holden View Post
    Hey Kev!

    No great negotiation skills on my part, a SERO plan includes free Vision or Power Vision. The only reason I ended up talking with retentions is that SERO is for a new line of service and I was at month 23 of my current contract and wanted to keep my same telephone number. (I could have opened a SERO and let my existing line drop -- but I wanted to keep my same number.) Retentions was great, let me purchase the 700P at full discount (not offered at the time as a Sero phone) and set me up with that program on my current line of service.

    I would wait until May/June. . . . see what the ROM update for the 700p does fix and compare that to the rumored 755p. Then you could choose between a fire sale 700p or the new 755 at the 2 year re-up price.

    Cheers, Perry.
    Great advice. That's my plan, my VZW contract expires May 13 and with Sprint's EVDO coming to my area, I will either get the new 755p or get a cheap 700p.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevMeister View Post
    Um, wow! Is this a rare thing, whatcha did?! Something had to come first, guessing that ya subscribed to the Sero plan under contract initially, then trickled down month-to-month after 18-24 months. Then Bamo! Upgrade to 700P with retentions and get the Power Vision savings!

    I'm also wondering if one has a discount off a company plan after 18 months if one could get retentions to help out with any discounts.

    Me? I'm in neither camp. I have a T650 and am currently month-to-month w/Sprint--no SERO plan--and will be elgible for the every 2 year plan (used to be 18 months) this May. I'm on the fence with the 755p and might upgrade later this summer. Any suggestions for me, Perry?
    if you do have abit of time and negotiation skills, you can get alot for free.
    I have a family plan - 2 phones, 2000 minutes shared, nights starting at 7, free weekends, unlimited EVDO on BOTH phones, unlimited SMS on BOTH phones, plus insurance coverage of both phones, and my monthly bill with taxes is $86.00

    My plan is an older plan, and everytime I resign and renew, I negotiate new freebie;s. It takes plenty of time and patience, try and try again.
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by winter720 View Post
    if you do have abit of time and negotiation skills, you can get alot for free.
    I have a family plan - 2 phones, 2000 minutes shared, nights starting at 7, free weekends, unlimited EVDO on BOTH phones, unlimited SMS on BOTH phones, plus insurance coverage of both phones, and my monthly bill with taxes is $86.00

    My plan is an older plan, and everytime I resign and renew, I negotiate new freebie;s. It takes plenty of time and patience, try and try again.
    Yes this will work if you're a customer they don't want to lose. I've been with sprint for a few years now and have gotten my bill down to $55 from $112. It took awhile but it happened. Btw I sold my 700p because I am awaiting the 755p! I hope it comes in May or sooner!
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    sprint is best for pricing. I have 1200 AT minutes, unlimited data & text messages, N&W starting at 7 all for around $60 a month!! No way I am ever leaving Sprint!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottymomo View Post
    EVDO REV A if I recall requires simultaneous voice/data which PalmOS can't handle (because of multitasking)...
    I think the word would be "supports" (not "requires") simultaneous voice/data. So I'm sure it could take advantages of the (minor) speed increase. I doubt there is a protocol that requires you to talk at the same time you download.
    From Wikipedia:
    In addition to the increase in the maximum downlink rate from 2.45 Mbps to 3.1 Mbps, Rev. A has a significant improvement in the maximum uplink data rate, frm 153 kbps to 1.8 Mb/s
    I'm pretty happy with it when I get when it's 500-900kbs, it's when I'm getting <100kbs at the same location I'm usually at when I'm annoyed at it. I'm tired of trying to figure out where I get the best reception...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetoad View Post
    it has nothing to do with multitasking in the convential sense. Do you know Linux has to be modified to be able to do simultaneous voice/data for OpenMoko? Do you think Linux can't multitask? Have you ever played an mp3 and downloaded something at the same time on the treo. That's multitasking. ...
    There's so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start.

    The biggest problem with this post is the confusion around the term multitasking. It can be implemented in many ways. The "proper" way is perhaps best technically referred to as "pre-emtive multitasking" meaning that the scheduler can stop one task and start another as required. Such abilities are required to really handle "real time" traffic (such as incoming data feeds of voice, data) if everyone is sharing the same CPU environment.

    Poorly designed OSes typically were put together cheaply since the designers had time, cost or knowledge limitations and their intended OS "purpose" might not really need true pre-emptive multitasking. Examples of this: MacOS prior to OS X (which, under the covers, is a Mach kernel and FreeBSD Unix), Windows 3.x/95/98/ME (which, under the covers is MS-DOS), PalmOS 1-5, and even almost all versions of NetWare, certainly up to the 2.x series. Win 3.x and early NetWare, for instance, had little memory protection and relied on each thread to "be nice" and "yield frequently" to other threads. Yeah, that worked well. Mind you, with a very controlled set of software (since NetWare was server-only) you could get amazing stability (and super high performance) out of well tested apps. Or, you could get a frozen server.

    And in addition (but related) to "pre-emptive" multitasking, there's the issue of memory protection. When you have multiple tasks running, without proper memory protection, one task can affect (corrupt) the other, or perhaps even the OS kernel itself. Such lack of memory protection usually accompanies non-pre-emtpive OSes. Why? Same reason they're non-pre-emptive. To save development time, save costs, lack of expertise of the designers, and a general perception that the intended use for the OS won't need this.

    Note that the decision to "skimp" on these things may (it's hard to say) be what causes a product / OS to be successful. It gets to market quickly, it's perhaps cheaper than the competition or at least cheaper than it would be otherwise and thus affordable, etc. Eventually, though, all these deficiencies come home to roost and cause havoc. Sometimes, the company (Novell) or product does not survive the transition well or must force users thorugh painful conversions and incompatibilities.

    Palm is a great example of this. They were desgning a PDA and created the first really successful one (the Newton was great but huge and expensive; Symbian's PDA predecessors had their followers but never made the same mass market). Should they have engineered an OS from the start that had the power to do voice, data, video, WiFi, CDMA/GSM all at the same time? The original Palm would probably have been too expensive, late to market and a failure. What they should have done was looked at history (such as MS-DOS to Win to Win 9x to finally a real pre-emtive multi-tasking OS in the NT/2000/XP line) and planned better for the evolution or replacement of the Palm OS. They stumbled badly there. The Palm user interface on Linux really sounds like the right move, but they're half a decade late with no enunciated path forward to date.

    Mind you, I still have a Treo 650 (but I miss my Samsung SPH-I500). I'll probably go 755p. But I'm waiting for someone to make a small phone that runs Linux AND Java (and as a bonus, Flash) and supports a Palm UI and the Palm / MS Office integration (these days, push email is required too). Treos are physically huge compared to the I500 (and never released SPH-i550) and to the MotoQ and the Blackjack. And the latter two have (I believe) a true pre-emtive multitasking OS, though I prefer the Palm "experience."

    Quote Originally Posted by thetoad View Post
    ...I believe it has to do with uart line disciplines and being able to multitask a uart which most OSs were not originally designed to do
    As for the crap about the "real problem" being around UART line disciplines and "most OSes" not being designed for multitasking, it's just completely meaningless and incorrect mumbo-jumbo. There are plenty of OSes that have been around for decades that handle multitasking a simultaneous communications quite well, thank you, including Unix and Linux. Some are better at some things than others. QOS, for instance, has always been famous for being good at "real time" operations (for which Unix and Linux were not originally designed, even though they were designed for multi-tasking. Related, but different things, BTW.

    But we at least agree that the root of the problem is when an OS ends up doing something it was not designed to do, and worse, when the "owner" of the OS doesn't have a good path forward to deal with this. Novell, again, had a shining opportunity to replace NetWare with Unix -- they actually bought Unix from ATT at one point (a coup). But the NIH (not invented here) attitude of their people caused that to fail. Eventually, of course, reality trumped all, and Novell was forced back to Unix in the form of Linux. History repeats itself often. I'm waiting for the next Palm chapter.
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    wow well said. Yes, I learn a ton about my Treo on this board and I have many to thank for it.

    However, its rare that I actually learn something "real" if that makes sense.

    So, great post.

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    actually, I know everything you wrote. I am paid to write linux kernel code for a living, and I've taught university level courses in operating systems (where the assignments are all about modifying the linux kernel)

    For more about what I was referring to, see

    http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/...m_architecture
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetoad View Post
    actually, I know everything you wrote. I am paid to write linux kernel code for a living, and I've taught university level courses in operating systems (where the assignments are all about modifying the linux kernel)

    For more about what I was referring to, see

    http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/...m_architecture
    You guys are making my head spin. I am a bottom line kind of guy....are we going to see a 700p upgrade in May or not?

    I dont care what it's called, I just want an upgraded 700p with fixes.....thanks guru's...you guys are way smarter then me.

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