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  1. mszatny's Avatar
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    I was initially getting very good battery results after the camera update. However, it seems recently I getting periods of extreme power consumption.... warming of the 680.

    I've also replaced my cradle recently.

    What are others' experiences?

    MS
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    SPCS Treo650 > CNG Treo650 > Copper Treo680 > ATT Treo750 WM6 > iPhone 3G
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    I was also getting good battery results after the camera update in the beginning but then the phone displayed erratic battery drains. I have now found that charging it with the AC charger triggers erratic battery drains, whereas charging it with the sync cable prevents them from occurring. More info of my experience is provided here:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=135961
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    Have had my 680 for almost 3 months and originally thought that the GPRS connection was at fault but having conducted continuous tests over this time I've come to the conclusion that the Mute Switch is the main cause of my battery drain (with the exception of the Camera software issue).

    Using BatteryGraph to montior this, I've seen a distinct difference in battery drain between Muted and un-Muted modes. I know that other have also seen this.

    My original mistake was to operate the 680 late at night, browsing the web/rss, in Muted mode and then leaving it muted all night. This lead me to think the issue was in the GPRS connection causing the drain around 70% in 6 hours. But it was not the GPRS as this is fine when the 680 is not muted.

    I first started thinking about the Mute-switched mode when in an all-day meeting recently. There were no calls but the battery drained almost completely during the time of the meeting whilst switched to Mute mode for the duration. When I left the meeting at the end of the day and un-muted the 680, battery drain flattened out.

    I've done subsequent tests on the basis of the Mute Switch causing excessive drain and am convinced that this is a major issue in the 680. Otherwise the battery performance is good and am getting < 1% per hour drain with moderate usage, including GPRS (in un-muted mode).

    Perhaps this goes some way to explain the erratic symptons experienced by 680 users. Suspecting the Mute mode was the last thing I would have originally checked when trying to diagnose what was draining the battery.
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    where there alarms active when muted? That is, would your treo have beeped if it hadn't been muted? Vibration uses more energy than beeping. I don't see any logical reason why it would be different in muted mode otherwise.
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    I gave mute mode a half-arsed test yesterday for 3 hours and it didnt seem to make a difference - but I only received one call in that time. I will put it on mute for a few hours today and test again.
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    I've went to the Seidio 2400 namh battery but myy wife is still using the original battery. After the camera patch, her battery life had improved significantly (2-3 days on one charge) but over the past few days the battery has seemed to revert back to the old ways.

    If anything it seems to fluctuate more ranging from a battery life as short as a day and as long as two days. It's almost as if the patch is wearing off.
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    I simply have no idea what to think. I got the Seidio 1300 slim battery just for an extra little boost and have had it for over a week. It was providing what I expected. I have been ending the day with at least 30-40% or more battery life left, with time/date turned on even.But yesterday, I had a major change of battery life.
    My phone came off the charger at about 6:20 AM. I made ONE call <than 2 minutes duration at around 5:15 pm; no other use of the 680 during the day at all. Then at about 9pm while being out, I made a call home, and happened to look at the battery level. I was quite shocked to see that it was at 7%! Talk about thinking WHAT THE HECK??? So at 11:40 I go to put it on the charger, and I'm now at 5% with low battery warning alert. I also noticed that my clock initially said 11:25, then it self-corrected to 11:40. So in other words, it was 15 minutes behind until I turned the device on. (gee, that really renders any alarms useful, eh??). This is the whole reason I have the time/date update left on, because I don't trust the 680 to keep time, as I was losing 30-40 minutes with it off. I also was not having any issues with battery drain with automatic being checked either. So I am againn just not sure what to think. I really like this device otherwise and I want it to work, but this is getting real tiring!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coppertop View Post
    I've went to the Seidio 2400 namh battery but myy wife is still using the original battery. After the camera patch, her battery life had improved significantly (2-3 days on one charge) but over the past few days the battery has seemed to revert back to the old ways.

    If anything it seems to fluctuate more ranging from a battery life as short as a day and as long as two days. It's almost as if the patch is wearing off.
    As I mentioned above in this thread, try to charge the phone only with the sync cable to see if it prevents erratic battery drains from occurring. At least another person (MoveOver) has also identified the supplied AC charger as the cause of erratic battery drains.
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    I agree I get better battery life and charge with the sync cable then the supplied AC charger, I took it off this morning (7am) @ 100% dropped right down to 99% checked e-mail and stayed on internet for 1/2 hour, made 10 calls about 1 hr of use, no BT or IR Battery at 76% (3pm)
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    I'm getting 4+ day standby at this point without a charge.

    I did buy a Palm 680-specific cradle, and a second Palm battery (which is the one in the phone).

    Battery patch is installed. No other major "voodoo" applied (swinging a one legged mouse carcass over my shoulder while standing on one leg and leaning 32.6712 degrees to the Northeast), etc.

    Maybe it's the battery shipped with the 680s that is the real issue? Second battery - much, MUCH better.

    Incidentally, I NEVER charge with the supplied charger. Cradle or USB cable only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littledragon View Post
    I was also getting good battery results after the camera update in the beginning but then the phone displayed erratic battery drains. I have now found that charging it with the AC charger triggers erratic battery drains, whereas charging it with the sync cable prevents them from occurring. More info of my experience is provided here:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=135961
    The whole idea of improving battery life by using the USB cable to charge instead of an AC Adapter seemed a bit hokey.....but I tried last night and apparently there may be something to this.

    Using an AC Cradle (brand new Palm OEM for 680)...I was using about 6-8% per hour (Using Push Chatter, some music play and light phone use)

    Now after charging with USB cable, I am only using 2-3% per hour

    MS
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    The Woodlands, TX

    Palm Pro > PalmIII > Visor Prism w/Omnisky>SPCS Treo300 > SPCS Treo600 >
    SPCS Treo650 > CNG Treo650 > Copper Treo680 > ATT Treo750 WM6 > iPhone 3G
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    It's hard to believe, isn't it? I was also very skeptical myself in the beginning, that's why I did a rather thorough test before I could even convince myself. Since I switched to sync cable charging, I have never had any battery drain problems whereas before I usually had a couple of times in a week. If anybody else wants to try this, you should do a soft rest first if you are currently experiencing battery drain. Sync cable charging per se does not stop battery drain but rather prevents it.
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    OK, I've just given up and ordered a Treo 680. By give up, I mean I've tried several other alternatives and as old and lame and tired as the Treo is in many ways, its still the best of the lot for real use in real life.

    So I figure I have to live through Battery Hell, at least until Palm finally figures out what the problem is .. praying its a software problem, not a hardware one. (Can you imagine a recall?!)

    From this and other forums, I presume I have to charge every day. OK. And apparently the wall charger that comes with the critter is a Bad Idea. But how about two other alternatives: one of the car chargers, or a cradle? Do they work as well as the sync cable?

    I'm starting to sense true superstitions building up here! Salt over the right shoulder before charging and all that.
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    If by battery hell you mean having push email online verichat on all day from 8am until 11pm, making 2-3 short (5m) phone calls, 5-6 SMS, couple of calendar entries, and probably 30-45m of general tinkering around (Entering food in WWCalc, maybe playing Yatzee on the john, etc) and having 15-20% at the end of the day then..... erokay..
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    khaytsus, are you saying that the rumored battery life problem is now solved, assuming use of the various stunts mentioned on this board? I.e. you get a lot of heavy use in a day and still have some to spare?

    That's acceptable, I'd say .. at least given the complaints I've heard. Although I've never had a phone I've had to charge every day, now that I think about it. But still, if I can get a really heavy day in with no worries, that's probably OK.
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    The complaints about battery life are getting less and less frequent. I think after the camera patch, most people seem to be pretty happy and can get 2 or more days out of a charge with moderate use.
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    There are still a few folks with problems, but if the camera issue had of been fixed at launch, I think we would have attributed these relatively few instances to normal defect rates.
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    Agreed. I was mainly going on the poll conducted in one of the threads, where about 75% of people polled are very happy with their 680, (and that is likely to be an underestimate because people who are very happy would be less likely to look up these forums in the first place).
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    Quote Originally Posted by backspaces View Post
    khaytsus, are you saying that the rumored battery life problem is now solved, assuming use of the various stunts mentioned on this board? I.e. you get a lot of heavy use in a day and still have some to spare?

    That's acceptable, I'd say .. at least given the complaints I've heard. Although I've never had a phone I've had to charge every day, now that I think about it. But still, if I can get a really heavy day in with no worries, that's probably OK.
    It's acceptable for me now.. Granted, the same usage would get me to 65% or so on the Treo 650, so there's a lot less runway on the 680 if you use the phone a lot or need to go multiple days on a charge, but for my usage it's fine.

    I was topping it off during lunch at work, I don't even bother to now.. but if I did, I would be left with 40% at the end of the day, so that's plenty of charge for extra calls, etc.
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    Also had a USB vs AC charge experience this weekend. After being off any charger for 36 hours I was down to about 43% which is not too bad on its own (only light use in the last 8 of those 36 hours, none during the first 24), I recharged using AC and it dropped from 100%/99% (my LED never goes green anymore) to 92% immediately. Whenever I USB charge to the same 100%/99% and go off USB, it remains at 99% and works its way down. Conclusions: 1) better quality charging through USB, 2) Battery Meter needs a fix as it relates to AC charging, and 3) I am getting 1-2% drain per hour and can live with that.
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