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    Just got this mailing

    Upgrade to Kinoma Player 4 EX v4.1

    Kinoma has released an update to Kinoma Player 4 EX. As an owner of Kinoma Player 4 EX, you are eligible for a free upgrade to version 4.1. Read on to learn about the improvements.

    New Key Features

    A Bigger Kinoma Media Guide
    100% more: The Kinoma Media Guide has nearly doubled in size

    Sports: Tune into the radio stations that broadcast your favorite sporting events with listings for NASCAR, NBA, NFL, NHL, Big 10 and PAC 10 teams

    New categories: Food, Travel and Talk & Politics

    International: A new category featuring German and French language content

    Buzznet, Flickr & SmugMug: See pictures from popular photo sharing sites in the expanded Photocasts category

    AtomFilms: Check out AtomFilms in the internet video category for some great MPEG-4 video feeds

    Faster
    Browse faster: Network optimizations make browsing the Kinoma Media Guide faster than ever

    Launch faster: The new Kinoma Media Library remembers the media on your handheld, phone and memory card so Kinoma Player 4 EX starts-up faster

    Play faster: Opening media files on your handheld, phone and memory card is up to twice as fast

    More Compatible
    Windows Mobile: Kinoma Player 4 EX now works with the StyleTap platform, bringing the full power of Kinoma Player 4 EX to many Windows Mobile devices including the Treo 700wx

    Orb: Enhanced reliability for Windows Media streams delivered from the Orb Networks v2.0 servers


    We’ve also updated the Kinoma Media Guide with lots of new content.

    What’s new in the Kinoma Media Guide
    The Kinoma Media Guide has nearly doubled in size, bringing you an even bigger world of mobile content to explore. Check out the new video podcasts, sports radio stations, Photocasts, live television categories and start bookmarking your favorites. We’ve also added a “What’s New” category so you can quickly check out the latest additions to the Kinoma Media Guide.

    Live television and radio stations are now featured at the top of many categories. And users of the Palm T|X, Life Drive, and Tungsten C will enjoy the new high quality Wi-Fi feeds in the News, Sports and Entertainment categories.


    Arts & Culture
    Stop off in the TED talks podcast to hear to the Peter Gabriel interview, and then cook up something new in the new Food category featuring advice on wine and culinary arts.


    Education
    Have you ever wanted to learn to play piano? Try the Piano Lessons from JazzPianoLessons.com. Or bone up on some lectures from WGBH’s Forum Lecture Series, the Princeton University Channel and a sampling of UC Berkeley science courses.


    Entertainment
    A fresh selection of Old Time Radio shows will keep you entertained for hours. Check out Rocketboom a daily videoblog bringing you topics from top new stories to quirky Internet culture. And don't forget to tune in to the Mugglecast for the latest Harry Potter.


    International
    Use the new International category to browse media by language. There are categories for France, the Czech Republic and an extensive selection of German news and entertainment.


    Music
    Hear what’s hot in the UK with Hit 40 UK radio, one of the most popular music podcasts in the UK. Discover new music and music review podcasts from PRI, NPR, and the New York Times.


    News
    Want more news? Pick new live TV from ABC, BBC, CBS CNN, Fox, and PBS. Get live radio from FOX and NPR


    Photocasts
    See top celebrity, entertainment and sports community uploads in from popular photo sharing sites including Flickr, Buzznet and SmugMug.


    Radio
    Take a new spin around the Stream Center and Radiofeeds for the best in News, Sports, and Weather from a town near you, like Boston, London, Sydney, or Cork. Listen to live streams from leading music Internet radio providers Radio Disney, Soma FM and Sky FM, or relax with the island sounds of Saint Martin direct from the Caribbean.


    Talk & Politics
    Check out the live Air America radio stations, thought provoking interviews in the Commonwealth Club of California and the World Talk from National Geographic.


    Technology
    Get more from your Treo by tuning in to popular podcasts from 1SRC, Palmaddict, Palm Loyal and TreoCentral. Or check out a product review from the very funny New York Times columnist David Pogue.


    Sports
    Check out the new radio station finders for the Big 10, Pac 10, NASCAR, NBA, NFL, and NHL for the best in sports talk and game commentary. And don't forget to take a peek at the live feed coming from PokerZone.


    Weather
    Major city and regional forecasts are always available in the new Weather category though feeds from The Weather Channel.


    Media on the Mobile Web
    Check out the mobile gallery featuring unique content from Movieola, Tuner 2, and ZooVision. Visit www.kinoma.com using the web browser on your Treo for a look.


    Getting updated
    If your Palm phone or handheld has an internet connection, updating Kinoma Player 4 EX is fast and easy. On the main Kinoma Player 4 EX screen, choose “Check for updates” from the Media menu; Kinoma Player 4 EX will download and install the update.

    To update from your computer click http://www.kinoma.com/index/need-a-product-update to go to the product update page.

    You can also use the download link from your original product receipt. Click on the download link to get Kinoma Player 4 EX version 4.1.


    Kinoma Media Guide Suggestions
    If you have suggestions about audio, video or photos to include in the Kinoma Media Guide, please tell us about it.

    This is a FREE update folks!
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    Looks really nice. It is good to see a developer working hard to keep Palm apps cutting edge.
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    Sadly, it seems Kinoma just isn't developed for the Treo 680 . Edge network too slow for video streaming. I do like everything else about it though.

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    The launch speed has been vastly decreased, and the Media Guide has been expanded. Definitely some huge additions! The only criticism I have is that there is still no background play, and now, even if I click the menu button while playing something, it pauses.
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    Has anyone who's streaming Kinoma Internet videos using a Treo 680 on Cingular figured out a way to stop the "insufficient bandwidth" message? Eventually the videos play, but are regularly interrupted by the "insufficient bandwidth" message, followed by having to press play or wait, and repeated several times during every video.

    Also, during all Internet video playback, the video will pause as it buffers, then the "insufficient bandwidth" message will come back again, requiring once again that I press play to continue or wait until the video is ready to resume.

    I know that Edge is slow. (It's a trade off -- stick with the 680 and accept a slower Internet connection or switch to a 750 for faster Internet, but a lower screen resolution). But perhaps there's a way to make Kinoma streaming videos work better.
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    The 650 has a lower screen resolution? I think the only way around the buffering issues would be for the Treo to somehow cache more data prior to displaying it. I doubt that's possible though. I even experience the "insufficient" message on Sprint EVDO with a full signal. I doubt you can get much relief with Cingular until you are on a high speed device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gjlowe View Post
    The launch speed has been vastly decreased, and the Media Guide has been expanded. Definitely some huge additions! The only criticism I have is that there is still no background play, and now, even if I click the menu button while playing something, it pauses.
    I don't understand why pTunes can do the background play and Kinoma cannot. Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkY View Post
    The 650 has a lower screen resolution? I think the only way around the buffering issues would be for the Treo to somehow cache more data prior to displaying it. I doubt that's possible though. I even experience the "insufficient" message on Sprint EVDO with a full signal. I doubt you can get much relief with Cingular until you are on a high speed device.
    The 650, 700p and 680 all have the same screen resolution: 320x320. My 700p is on Sprint's PowerVision EVDO network and i occasionally get the "insufficient bandwidth" and re-buffering messages too when streaming video with Kinoma 4 EX. It's the nature of the beast. It depends on whatever the source is (where the video is coming from.. whose server.. how many people are on it..) .. where you are and how much bandwidth you're getting and how many other people are siphoning off bandwidth from whatever cell tower is feeding you. It can vary not just during the day (like when schools let out and every kid and his monkey flips open his cell phone to make calls..) .. but from room to room in your home. I get better bandwidth in the bedroom than in the living room and who knows why.

    WiFi fed by a cable modem would give you the best video streaming. Unfortunately I can't stick a WiFi card in my 700p.. well I could but it wouldn't do a damn thing.. but I think I'll get another copy of Kinoma 4 EX and put it on my Zodiac II into which I CAN stick a WiFi card (because Tapwave released a WiFi driver for the Zodiacs).. and see what kind of results I get with that beast.

    You'll notice some of the video feeds in the newly-upgraded Kinoma Media guide are specifically labeled as ("WiFi") and those are targeted at people using a TX or other newish Palms that have WiFi built-in

    But a 680 on Cingular is not running on a network as fast as Sprint or Verizon's EVDO so you should not expect the same kind of performance when you're trying to stream video over the air. With audio (Radio stations and podcasts).. you should get totally acceptable performance. Audio-only sources use a fraction of the bandwidth of live video

    Harv
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    Quote Originally Posted by gjlowe View Post
    The launch speed has been vastly decreased, and the Media Guide has been expanded. Definitely some huge additions! The only criticism I have is that there is still no background play, and now, even if I click the menu button while playing something, it pauses.
    The first release of 4 EX did the same thing (paused when you pulled down a menu).. no clue why. You'd have to ask support@kinoma.com or go to their site and join their Forums and ask there

    Background play would be a definite plus.. so would having a battery and signal strength meter somewhere on its screen, but there was a LOT of optimization done for this new upgrade - radio stations and such buffer up and start playing faster.. when you back-track through the layers and levels of the Media guide after drilling down a few levels into it, you go back to the same link that you came from.. i.e. "breadcrumbs".. everyone was whining about card scanning and they fixed that, and also fixed the need to stuff all your MP3s and Videos into a directory on your card called /Kinoma, nevermind the huge expansion of the Media guide and other tweaks and improvements, so they gave you plenty of improvements and additions in this upgrade, nevermind that it's free

    Make your desires for other features known to them by writing to support@kinoma.com or use their site's Forums. They are aggressively supporting this product and plenty of other companies would have charged for an upgrade with as much work that went into it as this one did

    Harv
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    I was thinking that when I stream in the background with pTunes and browse at the same time, the screen dims sometimes and occasionally heat builds up in the Treo (always bad IMHO). Perhaps the reason that Kinoma doesn't go to the background is that the Treos can't handle it (the extra load) safely.

    Otherwise, this definitely looks like a significant upgrade for Kinoma.
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    Oops...I meant Treo 750 as the alternative to the 680 on Cingular! I've edited my post to reflect that.

    The videos I've tried on Google Video with Kinoma all eventually play, but just not without major pauses. (As an aside, MobiTV seems to enable continual playback by lowering the frame rate a lot so that the image is, as my kids put it, "jerky." I guess there's no free lunch when it comes to streaming video on the Treo 680.

    I like Kinoma. It's just too bad that that there's no device that has the Treo 650's screen resolution, the Treo 750's faster Internet connection and uses the Palm OS.



    Quote Originally Posted by MarkY View Post
    The 650 has a lower screen resolution? I think the only way around the buffering issues would be for the Treo to somehow cache more data prior to displaying it. I doubt that's possible though. I even experience the "insufficient" message on Sprint EVDO with a full signal. I doubt you can get much relief with Cingular until you are on a high speed device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badler View Post
    I like Kinoma. It's just too bad that that there's no device that has the Treo 650's screen resolution, the Treo 750's faster Internet connection and uses the Palm OS.
    Uhh.. actually there is. It's called the Treo 700p and it's been out since May, 2006

    Harv
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrlaser View Post
    Uhh.. actually there is. It's called the Treo 700p and it's been out since May, 2006

    Harv
    agreed
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    Ah, yes, but until somebody comes out with a hack to make the 700p work as a GSM phone (I wish!), it's the 680 (Palm OS, better screen) v 750 (Windows OS, faster connection, lower screen resolution) for us Cingular folks.

    But...there does appear to be an easy workaround to get Kinoma videos to play back without stopping every few seconds: Save the video to the Treo, which Kinoma allows. This means delayed viewing, but by doing that Google videos playback smoothly. (Kinoma doesn't seem to save YouTube videos; only Google videos.)

    Quote Originally Posted by hrlaser View Post
    Uhh.. actually there is. It's called the Treo 700p and it's been out since May, 2006

    Harv
    Last edited by badler; 02/05/2007 at 10:59 AM.
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    It´s a very good upgrade! The best featured added was the launch speed, that has been vastly decreased. Unfortunately, background playback isn´t still possible, but, in general, the upgrade is excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmar View Post
    It´s a very good upgrade! The best featured added was the launch speed...
    Absolutely! That scanning every time one started the program was driving me crazy.
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    Is there a way to access my music the way Ptunes does it?(being able to open specific folders) as opposed to the way Kinoma does it (listing every song on your SD card alphabeticaly in one window)
    "Bite the hand that feeds you,.......They'll always be impressed by the sharpness of your teeth."-Peggy Sellers (Miriam Margolyes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hova View Post
    Is there a way to access my music the way Ptunes does it?(being able to open specific folders) as opposed to the way Kinoma does it (listing every song on your SD card alphabeticaly in one window)
    I ran your question past my contact at Kinoma and his response was:

    And the answer is - no.

    It's a philosophical difference of opinion.

    We scan, and present everything that we know can be played. The other guys give you the power to hunt and peck through directory structures with
    varying results. We think our way is simpler for consumers who don't want to
    know anything. On the down side, people who do know what they are doing find it annoying.


    Note, however, that Kinoma Player 4 EX can load .m3u playlists. I have Pocket Tunes, mOcean, and Kinoma all on my 700p with a number of playlists, and when I run Kinoma on the same Treo it will display and use those playlists that Pocket Tunes or mOcean saved.

    Harv
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    Just bought the new version, and I kick myself for waiting so long. Man this is making my bug affected Treo 700p my new toy again LOL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hova View Post
    Is there a way to access my music the way Ptunes does it?(being able to open specific folders) as opposed to the way Kinoma does it (listing every song on your SD card alphabeticaly in one window)
    make no mistake I'm a big fan of the kinoma app... but if you already have pTunes, I would just stick with that for mp3 play... it's nice that kinoma can play the mp3's on my card, but it can't touch pTunes in that department...
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