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  1. #541  
    Quote Originally Posted by ediamond View Post
    You can only refute if you've done the battery reset trick, NOT invoked the camera since you reset and you are still experiencing problems, or you've never, ever invoked the Camera application. Otherwise it could still be the camera application that is the culprit.
    The point is that I was observing the higher battery drain when I had not used the camera.

    I think I may have found, or confirmed, another suspect though. Elsewhere someone mentioned that KB_LightsOff may cause this. After getting decent battery life I reinstalled this app, and the higher rate of drain came back. So I just did a soft reset and I'm charging now.
  2. #542  
    I may have been bitten by the camera bug last night. I wanted to take some pictures of the BatteryGraph page on both my 650 and 680 phones. I used the 680 to take a picture of the 650, but it was not good and didn't look good on the screen. So I didn't even take the picture. The 680 was at 70% when I did that. This morning it was at 35%, a drop of 35% in about 7 hours. The past few days it had only been dropping 5-6% over the same time period. I'm going to let this go a few days before doing the infamous "soft reset" by removing the battery. This maybe a fluke, or it maybe another nail in this phone's coffin.

    FWIW, the 650 shows a constant 2-3% drain over a 24 hour period with same apps as the 680, and using the camera on it had no affect on the discharge rate.

  3. #543  
    I agree this battery issue is a troubleshooting nightmare due to the many variables at play. I'm so fed up with it that I got sick of lurking here and had to post two observations on this issue:

    1. About a week after I got my 680 I went on a 4-day cruise with my new Crimson Treo. I'm a Tmobile customer and did not want to pay the ridiculous roaming charge on the cruise ship so I made sure to turn off my radio as well as bluetooth and IR. I was experiencing about an 8% power drain per hour like others are reporting and the Treo was drained by the time dinner was over. The battery was run so into the ground two of the days that the clock had "stopped". When I plugged it back in it was several hours behind. The only essential utility (Butler, Volumecare, etc) I did not disable at one time or another was Zlauncher since I use it to get to my games. I'm sure I used the camera at least once, what I can't remember was whether battery resets had already been mentioned...

    My second observation that I have not read on this thread is that I've confirmed that my Treo stops charging at 4.19 volts and if I leave it plugged in overnight I've seen the startup voltage drop down to 4.13, which is about the 93% people are reporting when they unplug from the wall charger. It seems that the Treo is not shifting down to a trickle charge when it gets topped off even though the green light stays on. It did the same thing with the usb sync cable. You can check the voltage by either opening BatteryGraph or tapping down the battery icon in Zlauncher and choosing one of the voltage readings instead of the % reading. I think I'm going to leave it charging in another room playing something in PocketTunes to see how far it allows itself to drain.

    Besides the horrible battery life I could not be happier stepping up from a 600. I wish things between Tmobile and Palm would have turned out better...
  4. #544  
    I expect that people are wearying of this thread, but I suppose you're free not to read our ramblings...

    Another data point... Recharged last night while battery drain was in the "excellent" category. Mucked around a bit this morning... used bluetooth, installed a couple more apps from backups, not much really. WHAM! Battery drain hit the roof again.

    Each morning at 7:00am, though, NVBackup dutifully runs its scheduled backup, so the first thing I did was to restore that backup. Battery drain is now "excellent" again.

    NVBackup does an automatic soft reset at the end of any restore operation, but besides that, I was able to get back to a good battery condition just by restoring files. No hard reset. No reset-in-cradle. Nothin' special at all, really.

    Dunno what this means, but I've been hearing rumours of hardware issues and this seems to argue against that. Still hoping for a software fix from Palm.

    Now that I know I can get back to a good state, I'm going to experiment with what I changed this morning in a more controlled fashion and see if I can reproduce the problem.
  5. #545  
    First full day since experimenting with the camera. A few calls, a few email checks and a few GoogleMap searches but no camera use. Battery started the day at 98% and fifteen hours later the battery is down to 86%.

    I may start tomorrow by taking a few pictures and see what happens.
  6. #546  
    Has anyone done an actual comparison with BT on and BT off? All of my previous results have been with BT off, as I had, um, lost my headset so I was running with BT off for a few days. I just got my replacement headset yesterday, so I turned BT on, paired it, and left it on, and the battery usage was somewhat higher than I'd have expected.

    I know that having it on will cause more draw on the battery, but it wasn't merely another percent or two. My reported battery drain dropped about 7% in about a half hour.
  7. #547  
    i'm experience inconsistent behavior with my unlocked 680. sometimes i charge it and it immediately drops to 93% and then continues to quickly lose juice. other times (like this morning) it seems to act better (but still not very good) in terms of keeping power.

    I have used the camera, but only a few times. however, i operate with beam receive off, bluetooth on, and have my email synced every 30 minutes.
  8. #548  
    Rambling thoughts here...

    I was in battery doldrums myself but today and yeterday saw better performance....Wish I really knew why.....

    I have had an Unlocked 680 for about two weeks. First 8-10 days normal battery, Suddenly big drop offs with overnight drain to empty battery. Nothing helped. I saw a couple of items that made me think of things to do here.

    I turned off Avantgo's automatic access to the internet, and tried the battery 'trick'. Neither really helped.

    I have a T-Mobile SIM, and got 165kps on the BBR GSM Speed Test page this morning (averaging close to 100kps) so I am thinking I have a new enough of a SIM card. One note though...the black traingle "GSM is available" feature seems to be a pain because half the time my account goes to T-Mobile Internet and fails because I have T-Mobile VPN. This did not happen with my 650.....might the phone be working too hard to see the GPRS connection all the time.....?

    The only really item not being fully discussed here is the following. I started (also yesterday) to use the 680's USB sync and charge cable (before that I was using the sync and power cables from my 650) How many of us are using the 650 charging cords and cables...? After implementing charging using the USB Cable, it charges up to 100% and the red lightning bolt goes green, but the charging LED indicator on the Treo stays red for hours, never changes over to green on the USB cable....Also noted that the battery was getting hot when fed by the 650 charging cords but on the USB cable it charges all the way to 100% but stays cool.

    But....the battery life gets better. From 10% or more loss per hour to 1-3% loss per hour, still not great, but not bad. Last night it went on the nightstand at 86% and woke up at 79% 7 hours later. Checked Email and used other software for 20 minutes and it went to 69%....But no steep drop offs...

    We probably need a Firmware upgrade, and SIM Cards, and confine ourselves to 680 cables and cords, and more, but the phone is lighter, faster, (to me anyway) easier to use. I will try charging this weekend only with the 680 charging cord and see if there is any improvement....
  9. #549  
    Quote Originally Posted by davidk6235 View Post
    I have a T-Mobile SIM, and got 165kps on the BBR GSM Speed Test page this morning (averaging close to 100kps) so I am thinking I have a new enough of a SIM card. One note though...the black traingle "GSM is available" feature seems to be a pain because half the time my account goes to T-Mobile Internet and fails because I have T-Mobile VPN. This did not happen with my 650.....might the phone be working too hard to see the GPRS connection all the time.....?
    The black triangle in the signal strength meter does not mean "GSM available", it means "data connection available". The antenna with bars means that you have GSM available. Green arrows means that a data connection is in use.

    Where is a speed test for cellphones?
  10. #550  
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    Where is a speed test for cellphones?
    http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
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    #551  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gordol View Post
    Where is a speed test for cellphones?
    Open Blazer and plug in www.dslreports.com/mspeed.
  12. #552  
    I don't think I have read that yet. can someone tell me a little more about this problem of kblights draining the battery a little faster.
  13. #553  
    Just to add some anecdotal data to the pile, my wife and I have new Treo 680s [Cingular] obtained at the same time. We both have experienced poor battery life when compared to our old T650s [50% or less remaining at 8 hours into our 16 hour days on the T680s]. We have turned down screen brightness, turned off network date/time/time zone synchronization, and did a full discharge/recharge on the batteries. So last night, as an experiment, I did the 'battery reset' trick [battery was pretty flat but not critical--plugged in the charger, waited a minute, popped out the battery, waited a minute, popped the battery back in and let it reset/reboot, then recharge overnight]. Today [after the usual overnight charge], I now have 91% remaining at 8 hours [huge difference]. No, I do not use the camera, and do not use high drain apps [PTunes, push e-mail]. I do not know what the magic is, but it sure worked for me. I will try this on my wife's T680 tonight. Thanks for the efforts by many here to find an empiric solution. Palm, are you listening?????
  14. #554  
    Quote Originally Posted by coppertop View Post
    First full day since experimenting with the camera. A few calls, a few email checks and a few GoogleMap searches but no camera use. Battery started the day at 98% and fifteen hours later the battery is down to 86%.

    I may start tomorrow by taking a few pictures and see what happens.
    Started out today by taking several pictures with the battery level at 98%. I used the phone today as I would any other day; checking email, a few calls, Googlemap searches. At the end of fifteen hours, the battery was down to 68%.

    Without using the camera, I lost 12% during the same period. Using the camera, I lost 30%. This may not be the most scientific means of supporting the camera being the cause of the battery drain but I can't help but think there's merit to that argument now.
  15. #555  
    my .02
    for the first 3 days, i drained the battery completely then would recharge over night. ( i had no treo for half a day on the 2nd day..drained in 4 hours!)

    now that i have done that my battery seems fine. I don't measure the % but more...does it make it through the day and have enough power for all function until i go to sleep. It seems to so far.

    I did not do a battery reset.

    the only app running is chatteremail with it polling 2 mailboxes every hour.

    I will try and be more scientific to as to what i use and how long etc. I have started a journal. we'll see where it goes. I have no idea about treo 650 b/c this is my first treo, i think i love it.
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    #556  
    An interesting data point.
    I got my wife a Treo 680 (crimson) for Christmas. I had planned to do a few more tests, but we lost power for a week, so here is what I can tell you:

    With everything off (screen, BT, IR, phone radio), no SIM installed, no SD card installed, no applications installed, hard reset performed, battery run all then way down (easy to do and recharged....

    From fully charged to completely dead (needs a couple mins on the charger to turn on) in 10 hours (that is, from the time I leave for work to the time I get back).
  17. #557  
    That is ridiculous. There must be some programs you have installed. My wife had my 680 for two and a half weeks before she was able to get it to me, and she had it on the table all charged up--but with no programs, no SIM, no anything else, just sitting there. It wouldn't turn off. I told her to charge it when it fully discharged it, but it never did. Once you turn on the radio (with a SIM card of course), and install programs, things are likely to happen. Unless your phone is physically damaged, I'm betting you've put some programs on there and, whether you know it or not, they are eating up power. Unless you weren't starting with 100% power, of course.
  18. #558  
    Well just got my arctic sweet! Not sure what to expect with the battery issue...charged it fully and left it overnight w/Phone, beam and blutooth off, using kblights had on butler 3.97, volumecare,agendus 10, ptunes 4 (play a few tunes) - a one minuet speakerphone call, and did a bit of solitaire and general "new phone new treonaut" syndrome - dropped 10% overnight from 97-87%..is that bad?!
  19. #559  
    the "trick"
    the "battery bug"
    "battery graph"
    "turn everything off"
    "3G"

    did i miss any? hec, even i'm not complaining anymore but this thread has turned almost comical.

    yes, still in possession of mine as i have come to an understanding that a 1100ma battery can only do so much given the Treo's power consumption needs.

    it's ok.
    Blackberry Pearl (AT&T), Apple 3G iPhone,
    owned and used: Treo 750 (WM5, Cingular)
    T680 unlocked (T-Mo), T700wx, T700w, T650, T600
    ppc6600, i730, htc mogul, BB Bold, Curve
  20. #560  
    the camera

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