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    Can 680 users help us 700p users get the new phone application?
    Jimmie Geddes
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    Probably not. First, moving the app to the 700p would be a copyright violation, as the Phone app is only licenesed for use on the phone on which it shipped. Secondly, the app is written to the GSM version of the Palm OS phone library and to the GSM radio on the 680; there's a significantly different library and radio on the Treo 700p.
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    there's only one way to tell.
    Jimmie Geddes
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    Yeah. Buy yourself a 680.
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    It seems as if it should be able to happen. Hopefully Palm will include it on the ROM update for the 700p. I went down to cingular and picked up a 680 to play with for a couple days. I love the phone app, and of course the form factor, but beyond that, thats it compared to my 700p.

    Ken
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    It's not the same as the 680 phone app, but TakePhone is really nice.
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    I asked Palm about making the Treo 680 phone app available to Treo 700p owners. I knew what their answer was going to be. "No, the phone app from the 680 will not be available for the 700p". This is very similar to the updated PIM apps that Palm started to include a few years ago, they were never made available by Palm to use on older devices, but people did get them.
    Jimmie Geddes
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmieGeddes View Post
    I asked Palm about making the Treo 680 phone app available to Treo 700p owners. I knew what their answer was going to be. "No, the phone app from the 680 will not be available for the 700p". This is very similar to the updated PIM apps that Palm started to include a few years ago, they were never made available by Palm to use on older devices, but people did get them.
    They did so by getting a "hacked" copy of the ROM using JackSprat - which Brayder decided was too difficult to continue support on for the NVFS's of the 650+ the various T series and LD's.

    Doubtful to hack the ROM from a 680 to a 700p as noted by bcombee.

    Palm, for my memory, has not allowed ROM updates between devices for quite some time. They did tweak some things back in the old III series days of replaceable batteries and early on between the V and Vx but they like the differentiation.

    And in many cases some will consider the 680 as an upgrade even from a 700p or a 650 because of the RAM and Voice Memo differences plus this new phone application.

    Palm might consider "selling" this new phone/launcher application but I doubt they will ever provide it for free.
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    Palm already told me it will not be available, not even to buy it from them. I know that you can get some apps off by using Filez, or another file explorer and copy the app to a SD Card. I did this with my TT2, I wanted the To do list from a Palm OS device to use on my 700wx and I did that. It runs fine on my 700wx under StyleTap. I guess we'll jsut have to wai and see.
    Jimmie Geddes
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    it would be nice to see on the 650 as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmieGeddes View Post
    ...... I guess we'll jsut have to wai and see.
    I think you'll be waiting a long time if history is any indication. Palm doesn't like giving freebies.
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    jimmie i think those first 2 guys were been mean to u lol.. but i hope we find a way to get that new phone app on our t700p. i think its possible to do.
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    1) I work for Palm. A lot of us read these boards

    2) It is VERY UNLIKELY that a copy of the phone app from the 680 would work correctly on a 700p. The low-level libraries used to control the phone hardware are quite different between the GSM 680 and the CDMA 700p, which means the 680's app wouldn't be able to control the 700p's hardware.
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    And so ends this saga. LOL

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    For the 700p, yes, but perhaps not for the 650? Anyhoo, I have both newer and older Palms, and it's always nice to port some programs back, like having Files on my T3 and m515.
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    this thread was able to ruin my entire day...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bcombee View Post
    1) I work for Palm. A lot of us read these boards

    2) It is VERY UNLIKELY that a copy of the phone app from the 680 would work correctly on a 700p. The low-level libraries used to control the phone hardware are quite different between the GSM 680 and the CDMA 700p, which means the 680's app wouldn't be able to control the 700p's hardware.
    If a lot of Palm employees read these boards, why is Palm so incredibly arrogant about NOT fixing the issues these phones have? It would be one thing is Palm could claim ignorance. But to admit that you know about the problems people have, and refuse to acknowledge or fix them, is the height of arrogance.

    Believe me, if I could get a Palm OS phone from anyone else, I'd be shopping . If Palm ever drops P-OS and changes to MS exclusively, there will be a lot of people wondering if it's worth putting up with Palm's incompetence and arrogance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    If a lot of Palm employees read these boards, why is Palm so incredibly arrogant about NOT fixing the issues these phones have? It would be one thing is Palm could claim ignorance. But to admit that you know about the problems people have, and refuse to acknowledge or fix them, is the height of arrogance.

    Believe me, if I could get a Palm OS phone from anyone else, I'd be shopping . If Palm ever drops P-OS and changes to MS exclusively, there will be a lot of people wondering if it's worth putting up with Palm's incompetence and arrogance.
    Palm has a tendency to keep their devices separate for various reasons. One is product differentiation and to some degrees a forcing of an upgrade purchase. It's not different at MS - take a look at the various levels of WM5, PPC5, WINCE and on and on. Also, it's more prominent on the Treo's since the carrier's want some product differentiation. Cingular suffers when the 700p came out since it was for CDMA vs GSM. Now Cingular gets the 680 and the rolls are reversed.

    The process of Palm dropping the OS and aligning totally with MS is highly unlikely since Palm has a liscense option till 2009.

    I'd suspect that the Linux Access platform that is now due out early next year with devices possibly slated for late 3rd or 4th quarter of 2007, will be the next generation of OS choice for Palm.

    There was a news article with video here in the DFW are last week that showed a new type of device that is due out next year - It did not specify the hardware manufacturer but it looked like a new OS on a new platform and was both vertical and horizontal in orientation.

    Too me it appeared as a keyboardless Treo laid out in landscape mode (no antenna) but the interface was totally new. One of the "vendors" was interviewed during the demo and stated that this was a new phone from a traditional phone manufacturer. The vendor was silicon valley based.

    I've been trying to find the video link on the local TV but they yet to post it - although the article was very vague - this could have been a preview of the next generation of products that Jeff Hawkins has been working on......
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    [QUOTE=bcombee;1133003]1) I work for Palm. A lot of us read these boards


    So, if this is the case, to what extent does your employment allow you access to inside knowledge ? I mean, can't you and others that " read these boards " at least acknowledge the numerous " issues " the 700p has been forumed to death on and maybe calm the feelings from frustration to complete anger by somehow hinting a " fix " is on the way ? And no, it's not by buying the next model. I'm staying with the 650 until that 700p gets its firmware update. In fact, you and the other Palm employees that " read these boards "would provide some positive public relations here if you people started a new thread maybe titled, " Here Is What We Palm Employees Have To Say ." Or something like that.
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