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    Hi,

    I have been toying with the idea of getting a GPS unit or bundle for my 650 for about 6 months now. I think I am finally ready to go for it. Back when I first toyed with the idea, I was pretty set on the Seido G4850. Now I see there is also the Palm GPS Navigator 2. I was hoping to get some discusion on the pros and cons of both models. One thing I did notice is that the Palm unit comes with a 1 GB SD card loaded with the maps. However, it seems like the Palm unit connects to the receiver via Bluetooth, which means I wont be able to use my blue tooth headset for the phone when using the unit correct? I like how the Seido unit also allows you to connect to their FM transmitter so that you can use the MP3 player through the radio. So if anyone here can elaborate on the pros and cons of these two units (or any others that are out there) I would appreciate it! Thanks!

    Bob
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    Check out http://www.telenav.com. It's cheaper and easier to use. YMMV and this is simply my opinion.

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    I'm happy with the Garmin GPS 10. See my review of it here. But, if you can wait till November (supposedly), the GPS 10X + Mobile XT software should (supposedly) be better still.

    In either case, the GPS receiver communicates to the Treo via bluetooth, and no other bluetooth devices such as headsets will communicate with the Treo at the same time (wired heatsed works fine.)

    Also, with the GPS 10 you get the maps on a DVD. I think this is much better than getting maps on an SD card. With the Garmin Maps on DVD you can use them on as many devices (Palm, Pocket PC and Windows) as you want as long as you have your GPS receiver (which acts as the hardware key). Your maps are stored on your own SD card, which can be as large as 4 GB if you're using FAT32 via custom ROM. So you'll have lots of room for maps + mp3s + pictures + movies + whatever (I use the Garmin at the same time as I listen to mp3s), as opposed to having an SD card that has only maps on it, in which case you have to change cards if you want any other data or programs that reside on your current SD card. Also, you don't have to worry about losing or breaking an SD card with the maps on it, which would mean you have to buy a new SD card map set, since the SD card itself is essentially the hardware key. With the Garmin system, if anything happens to your SD card, you just load the maps again onto another SD card.

    Most of what I just said also applies to the TomTom Navigator hardware + software package also. Read the reviews and decide which you prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobodobo View Post
    I'm happy with the Garmin GPS 10. See my review of it here. But, if you can wait till November (supposedly), the GPS 10X + Mobile XT software should (supposedly) be better still.

    In either case, the GPS receiver communicates to the Treo via bluetooth, and no other bluetooth devices such as headsets will communicate with the Treo at the same time (wired heatsed works fine.)

    Also, with the GPS 10 you get the maps on a DVD. I think this is much better than getting maps on an SD card. With the Garmin Maps on DVD you can use them on as many devices (Palm, Pocket PC and Windows) as you want as long as you have your GPS receiver (which acts as the hardware key). Your maps are stored on your own SD card, which can be as large as 4 GB if you're using FAT32 via custom ROM. So you'll have lots of room for maps + mp3s + pictures + movies + whatever (I use the Garmin at the same time as I listen to mp3s), as opposed to having an SD card that has only maps on it, in which case you have to change cards if you want any other data or programs that reside on your current SD card. Also, you don't have to worry about losing or breaking an SD card with the maps on it, which would mean you have to buy a new SD card map set, since the SD card itself is essentially the hardware key. With the Garmin system, if anything happens to your SD card, you just load the maps again onto another SD card.

    Most of what I just said also applies to the TomTom Navigator hardware + software package also. Read the reviews and decide which you prefer.
    Thanks for the awesome review!!!

    I should look into getting the Garmin GPS 10 too for exactly the same reasons you just recommended it. I really prefer the receiver being the hardware key as opposed to the SD card being the hardware key.

    What is the best place to buy it online?
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    I suggest you do a little additional research before you jump on the Garmin based on Bobodobo's review. Some of the comments made are inaccurate. I have listed some of those below.

    “and no other bluetooth devices such as headsets will communicate with the Treo at the same time (wired heatsed works fine.)”

    The Treo 650 works the same with Navigator in either wired or Bluetooth configurations. True, both the Palm GPS device and the headset can not connect at the same time, that is a restriction of the Treo and not of the device, but call handling is the same. Navigator is shut down when you accept the call. This effectively removes the connection to the GPS device and allows the bluetooth or wired headset to connect to the call. When the call is complete re-open navigator and you pick up right where you left off.

    “I think this is much better than getting maps on an SD card.”

    In addition to the app and maps on the SD card the Navigator package also includes a DVD with maps for the USA and Canada. These maps can be broken down into smaller regions and loaded onto the SD card, yours or the one included in the packaged bundle.

    “Your maps are stored on your own SD card”, “as opposed to having an SD card that has only maps on it, in which case you have to change cards if you want any other data or programs that reside on your current SD card”

    Same with Navigator. Read the forums, many people have moved to larger cards to have mp3 and other files, apps etc. on cards from 2gb to 4gb.

    “you don't have to worry about losing or breaking an SD card with the maps on it, which would mean you have to buy a new SD card map set”

    As mentioned earlier the apps and maps are on the DVD included in the packaged bundle and can be recopied to other SD cards. You can also backup the SD card to your computer and recopy that to a new SD card and be back up and running in short order.

    “since the SD card itself is essentially the hardware key”

    The SD card has nothing to do with the hardware key, the phone is. If you want to move to another phone you simply reactivate the software through the phone/device or at TomTom website.

    “Most of what I just said also applies to the TomTom Navigator hardware + software package also.”

    Clearly, that is not the case.
    Last edited by mlemke; 09/24/2006 at 10:23 AM.
    MRL-MO
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    Hey all, thanks for responding! mlemke, it sounds like you have the Palm GPS bundle and are satisfied with it, is this correct? How about the Seido bundle, anyone have an oppinion on this?? I seem to recall that there was a review on the Seido several months back, but I dont see it in the reviews page. Is there an archive for reviews?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob7582 View Post
    I seem to recall that there was a review on the Seido several months back, but I dont see it in the reviews page.
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    Thanks Mark Eagle! Since the beginning, I have really been leaning towards the Seido 4850, as I like the design of the cradle (e.g. having the AC out so you can also power and FM transmitter), and since I use Sprint, I will be able to use my bluetooth headset while the Treo is in the cradle (right?). The only thing I see about the Palm bundle is that it comes with Navigator 6, as opposed to Navigator 5.1 with the Seido. Is there much difference between the two? Anyone have a bad experience with the Seido?
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    Bob7582, very happy with the Palm bundle to date. There are heap memory limitations, ie: can't run GoodLink at the same time as Navigator but then GoodLink is a hog on memory and frankly I have the same issue with other apps when running GoodLink in the background.

    Re: 5.1 vs 6. The maps in 6 are significantly more up to date for the US, contact navigation: navigate direct to contacts stored in your address book, arrival time planning: plan a route based on your desired arrival time, expanded POI searching: navigate to a POI near current driving location, near home, near destination or along route, speeding alert: notifies the driver if they’re speeding, even if they're not in navigation mode, safety lock: disables a number of menu items before driving, ensuring that maximum attention is kept on the road, realistic visual instructions: visuals replicate road signs, making them easier to follow. I am sure there are other changes I've listed a few. Best of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlemke View Post
    I suggest you do a little additional research before you jump on the Garmin based on Bobodobo's review. Some of the comments made are inaccurate. I have listed some of those below.

    “and no other bluetooth devices such as headsets will communicate with the Treo at the same time (wired heatsed works fine.)”

    The Treo 650 works the same with Navigator in either wired or Bluetooth configurations. True, both the Palm GPS device and the headset can not connect at the same time, that is a restriction of the Treo and not of the device, but call handling is the same. Navigator is shut down when you accept the call. This effectively removes the connection to the GPS device and allows the bluetooth or wired headset to connect to the call. When the call is complete re-open navigator and you pick up right where you left off.

    “I think this is much better than getting maps on an SD card.”

    In addition to the app and maps on the SD card the Navigator package also includes a DVD with maps for the USA and Canada. These maps can be broken down into smaller regions and loaded onto the SD card, yours or the one included in the packaged bundle.

    “Your maps are stored on your own SD card”, “as opposed to having an SD card that has only maps on it, in which case you have to change cards if you want any other data or programs that reside on your current SD card”

    Same with Navigator. Read the forums, many people have moved to larger cards to have mp3 and other files, apps etc. on cards from 2gb to 4gb.

    “you don't have to worry about losing or breaking an SD card with the maps on it, which would mean you have to buy a new SD card map set”

    As mentioned earlier the apps and maps are on the DVD included in the packaged bundle and can be recopied to other SD cards. You can also backup the SD card to your computer and recopy that to a new SD card and be back up and running in short order.

    “since the SD card itself is essentially the hardware key”

    The SD card has nothing to do with the hardware key, the phone is. If you want to move to another phone you simply reactivate the software through the phone/device or at TomTom website.

    “Most of what I just said also applies to the TomTom Navigator hardware + software package also.”

    Clearly, that is not the case.
    Thanks for the clarification mlemke! It appears that both nav systems seem almost the same in functionality based on your comments, however the Garmin one is less than $200.00 (yes, I know it does not include a cradle for the palm) and the Tom Tom is $299.00 (and that inlcudes the cradle).

    Which one is better based on that value?

    I guess the other important point to consider is the mapping software itself. Which one is better (more accurate and up-to-date)?
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    My vote goes to the Garmin GPS 10 set up.

    It's biggest selling point is the low overheads on the system.

    When I'm using it I have 10mb of dbcache free, which means I don't get any crashes while navigating.

    You can also swap into any other app to check some info or make chages to the Palm and then instantly go back to where you were.

    I'm not sure if any of the other packages can do this.
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    "the Garmin one is less than $200.00 (yes, I know it does not include a cradle for the palm) and the Tom Tom is $299.00"

    Your comparing apples and oranges. The Garmin unit you reference is the 10, the 20 which is the direct competitor for Navigator 6, is $299. TomTom Navigator 6 can be had for $149 from the Palm Store. FWIW.
    MRL-MO
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    Talking of crashes on TT, check out this thread :

    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showt...36#post1091036

    I used to use Navman but changed to Garmin because of the crashes. I'm glad I did not invest in the TT now

    I'm sorry if this seems negative, but I just don't get any crashes on the Garmin set up.

    If you are spending that sort of money I would suggest a demo first.
    Thought of the day :
    No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway
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    wow i am really a treo novice because all that stuff is like chinese to me!! it sounds like the tom tom 6 causes a lot of crashes, which may be more reason for me to go with the seidio. anyone out there havet the seidio 4850?
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    Try asking Google

    Here is one I found earlier :

    http://forum.treonauts.com/other-acc...50-cradle.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob7582 View Post
    wow i am really a treo novice because all that stuff is like chinese to me!! it sounds like the tom tom 6 causes a lot of crashes, which may be more reason for me to go with the seidio. anyone out there havet the seidio 4850?
    I think you misunderstand.

    Seidio 4850 is the hardware only, it means you have to buy whatever navigator software to use with it.

    Pros: all-in-one: less tangle wires (charge for treo, charge for GPS receiver)
    built-in Mic and speaker

    Cons: price ($220 vs the best receiver BT-338:$110; or newer BT-359 with bluetooth 2.0 $122, also there are many SiFR III chipset GPS receivers cost less than $99 e.g Holux 236, which is included in TT6 bundle sold by palm now)
    mono audio output
    Not one size fit all. Problem once you upgrade your device (remember treo 680, 750 on the way) or you want to use nagivator on laptop or other PDAs.
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    treoluv,

    thanks for replying. I actually meant the seidio 4850M, which is the bundle that comes with Tom Tom 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob7582 View Post
    treoluv,

    thanks for replying. I actually meant the seidio 4850M, which is the bundle that comes with Tom Tom 5.
    I think you should do some searching both here and on MyTreo.net, you will find plenty of users with trouble installing and using Tom Tom 5, as well as 6.

    Get a demo first is my advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChasT View Post
    Talking of crashes on TT, check out this thread :

    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showt...36#post1091036

    I used to use Navman but changed to Garmin because of the crashes. I'm glad I did not invest in the TT now

    I'm sorry if this seems negative, but I just don't get any crashes on the Garmin set up.

    If you are spending that sort of money I would suggest a demo first.
    Very good feedback ChasT! What version of Garmin are you using? 10 or 20? What is the best online place to buy this?
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    I like having a wired GPS on my 650. I'm hoping to pick up a bluetooth one for geocaching, which I've never actually done, but for vehicular navigation there's no need for bluetooth. I have an Altina NMEA, PS/2-port device with an adapter for the 650 for a total of under $80. You'll still have to pick up software (I like Tom Tom a lot).

    The advantage of that is that when calls come in, I can switch over to the phone, then switch back to TomTom while the phone is still running. No bluetooth conflicts, and the devices are both powered by the cig lighter instead of rapidly draining.
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