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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by supersocialist View Post
    I like having a wired GPS on my 650. I'm hoping to pick up a bluetooth one for geocaching, which I've never actually done, but for vehicular navigation there's no need for bluetooth. I have an Altina NMEA, PS/2-port device with an adapter for the 650 for a total of under $80. You'll still have to pick up software (I like Tom Tom a lot).

    The advantage of that is that when calls come in, I can switch over to the phone, then switch back to TomTom while the phone is still running. No bluetooth conflicts, and the devices are both powered by the cig lighter instead of rapidly draining.
    Yes I also like the idea of the wired GPS receiver for the same reasons. Where can you get the Altina NMEA? Any good online stores for this? Did you try out the Garmin 10 or 20 before you got the TT?
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGS View Post
    Yes I also like the idea of the wired GPS receiver for the same reasons. Where can you get the Altina NMEA? Any good online stores for this? Did you try out the Garmin 10 or 20 before you got the TT?
    I got mine on eBay. I searched for Treo 650 gps and come up with this package. (Originally I bought it for a 600, which I used with Mapopolis. I was able to get an adapter alone when I changed phones.)

    I didn't try Garmin, only Mapopolis, before TomTom.
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  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by supersocialist View Post
    I got mine on eBay. I searched for Treo 650 gps and come up with this package. (Originally I bought it for a 600, which I used with Mapopolis. I was able to get an adapter alone when I changed phones.)

    I didn't try Garmin, only Mapopolis, before TomTom.
    I have read about all the crashes people are experiencing using TT on other SD cards other than the 1GB that it comes installed on. What SD card are you using? The same one that TT came with?
    Last edited by SilverGS; 09/25/2006 at 10:23 AM.
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  4. #24  
    I'm running TomTom on a 4GB A-Data card, and have yet to experience a crash.
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  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by supersocialist View Post
    I'm running TomTom on a 4GB A-Data card, and have yet to experience a crash.
    Cool.

    Is this the adaptor you are referring to - http://cgi.ebay.com/PDA-ADAPTOR-CABL...QQcmdZViewItem ?

    And is this the gps receiver: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Altina-GPS-U...QQcmdZViewItem ?
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by mlemke View Post
    I suggest you do a little additional research before you jump on the Garmin based on Bobodobo's review. Some of the comments made are inaccurate. I have listed some of those below.

    “and no other bluetooth devices such as headsets will communicate with the Treo at the same time (wired heatsed works fine.)”

    The Treo 650 works the same with Navigator in either wired or Bluetooth configurations. True, both the Palm GPS device and the headset can not connect at the same time, that is a restriction of the Treo and not of the device, but call handling is the same. Navigator is shut down when you accept the call. This effectively removes the connection to the GPS device and allows the bluetooth or wired headset to connect to the call. When the call is complete re-open navigator and you pick up right where you left off.

    “I think this is much better than getting maps on an SD card.”

    In addition to the app and maps on the SD card the Navigator package also includes a DVD with maps for the USA and Canada. These maps can be broken down into smaller regions and loaded onto the SD card, yours or the one included in the packaged bundle.

    “Your maps are stored on your own SD card”, “as opposed to having an SD card that has only maps on it, in which case you have to change cards if you want any other data or programs that reside on your current SD card”

    Same with Navigator. Read the forums, many people have moved to larger cards to have mp3 and other files, apps etc. on cards from 2gb to 4gb.

    “you don't have to worry about losing or breaking an SD card with the maps on it, which would mean you have to buy a new SD card map set”

    As mentioned earlier the apps and maps are on the DVD included in the packaged bundle and can be recopied to other SD cards. You can also backup the SD card to your computer and recopy that to a new SD card and be back up and running in short order.

    “since the SD card itself is essentially the hardware key”

    The SD card has nothing to do with the hardware key, the phone is. If you want to move to another phone you simply reactivate the software through the phone/device or at TomTom website.

    “Most of what I just said also applies to the TomTom Navigator hardware + software package also.”

    Clearly, that is not the case.
    Hey mlemke, why all the flaming? I was trying to be helpful.

    If you read Bob's original question, it sounds very much like a bundle that includes a Seido G4850 GPS and a 1 GD card with maps on it. I was NOT in any way referring to TomTom Navigator. My comments were based on that. My mistake was not realizing that Bob was referring to a TomTom product. The name "GPS Navigator" is so generic I didn't make the association.

    My point about the headset stands. You cannot use a Bluetooth headset and GPS AT THE SAME TIME on a 650.

    And my last point was that the ADVANTAGES of the Garmin (or any system that includes a DVD rather than an SD card) are ALSO present on the TomTom Navigator unit which DOES have a DVD. So what I said IS the case. I clearly stated at the bottom of my comment that the Garmin GPS 10 and TomTom Navigator packages were very similar and Bob (or anyone) should read the reviews and decide which he/she prefers.
  7. #27  
    Hi bobodobo, where did you buy your Garmin 10 software from?

    I have pretty much decided to get the Garmin 10 (or 20 - not sure what the difference is though), and want to know if you know of any online sites that just sell the software as I plan to buy a wired Gps receiver to use with it.
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  8. #28  
    The Garmin mapping software for Palm seems to be restricted to operation with a Garmin GPS receiver. Is there anyway to use other brands of GPS receivers (bluetooth or otherwise) with Garmin maps? Seems like a shame to be limited to only a couple of receiver types.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGS View Post
    Very good feedback ChasT! What version of Garmin are you using? 10 or 20? What is the best online place to buy this?
    Mine is the GPS 10 Deluxe.

    Currently the only other one is the GPS 18, which is a usb device for laptops.

    The 10 and 20 are the new generation BT receivers, c/w with the new Mobile XT software. These are due out November.

    I'm not sure what the advantage of the 20 is over the 10.
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  10. #30  
    Combined response to the last few postings:

    1. I bought my GPS 10 Deluxe from TigerGPS, and they were fine, but I'm sure lots of other retailers are fine too.

    2. As I understand, the Mobile 20 is strictly for use in a car. The GPS receiver is integrated into the car mount for your phone. Fine if you only plan to use it in your car, no go if you want to be able to carry it with you also. It seems that the GPS receiver is the same for the Mobile 10 and Mobile 20 (except for the form factor) and the software seems to be the same also (someone correct me if I'm wrong here...)

    3. Again as far as I understand, you can only use the City Navigator software with the Garmin GPS units, because the GPS unit is the hardware key. I think it is possible to use the City Navigator street maps on as many Windows, Pocket PC or Palm systems as you want, but only as stand-alone software without connection to a GPS (sort of like using Mapquest). If you want to associate the street maps to a GPS to find out where you are and how to get where you want to go, you have to have your copy of City Navigator registered to your specific GPS unit. BUT - once you've done that, you can use your copy of City Navigator with as many Windows, Pocket PC or Palm systems as you want - as long as you have your specific GPS unit connected to that system. Also you can register your street maps with a second GPS unit at no extra charge (3rd and subsequent registrations will cost you.) IMHO this seems better than TomTom's approach which (according to mlemke) ties the street map database to a specific phone. On the other hand TomTom's approach allows you to use any GPS unit(s) you want with your street map data base and phone, maybe that's more important for some users. Personally I'd prefer to carry around one GPS unit and be able to use it on many handheld and laptop devices with the complete map database. (In the past the fact that Garmin's GPS receivers didn't use the most sensitive chipset could be a deal killer for some, but apparently the new GPS 10x will have the Sirf III chipset that everyone raves about.)

    Again, I'd suggest you wait till November for the new GPS 10x receiver unless you really need a system now.
  11. #31  
    Thanks bobodobo for the detailed response! Good idea to wait till November for the 10x!
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  12. #32  
    I am planning to create my own bundle using the NAVIGATOR 6 stand alone software for $149 and the Holux GR 236 on ebay for $80. My the total would be $230 which is a $69 savings over the Palm unit.

    This looks like a nice combination that should be available next month.
    Pilot 5K->Palm IIIc->Tungsten T/T2->Treo 650/680 -> Pre+ (1.4.5 & Uberkernel)
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by swieder View Post
    I am planning to create my own bundle using the NAVIGATOR 6 stand alone software for $149 and the Holux GR 236 on ebay for $80. My the total would be $230 which is a $69 savings over the Palm unit.

    This looks like a nice combination that should be available next month.
    You would also need to get a vehicle mount and recharger (for the both the Palm and the BT GPS receiver.
    Unlocked Rogers GSM Treo 650, PalmOS V5.40017, Firmware: 01.71, Software: Treo650-1.20-ENA
    Modded and hacked! Custom ROM - removed RealPlayer, Todo, Tasks, Versamail, Tips, World Clock, Launcher. Added support for FAT32 SD cards.
    Software: PDAbs, Backup.NET, Uninstall Manager, Card Reader, FileZ, Power RUN, DateBk5, DocumentsToGo, HandZipper, Chatter, TakePhone, Technician, Voice Dial, TCPMP, SpashPhoto, Insaniquarium, Memory Master, Sol Free, Palma Sutra
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by mlemke View Post
    Bob7582, very happy with the Palm bundle to date. There are heap memory limitations, ie: can't run GoodLink at the same time as Navigator but then GoodLink is a hog on memory and frankly I have the same issue with other apps when running GoodLink in the background.

    Re: 5.1 vs 6. The maps in 6 are significantly more up to date for the US, contact navigation: navigate direct to contacts stored in your address book, arrival time planning: plan a route based on your desired arrival time, expanded POI searching: navigate to a POI near current driving location, near home, near destination or along route, speeding alert: notifies the driver if they’re speeding, even if they're not in navigation mode, safety lock: disables a number of menu items before driving, ensuring that maximum attention is kept on the road, realistic visual instructions: visuals replicate road signs, making them easier to follow. I am sure there are other changes I've listed a few. Best of luck.
    Does version 6 announces street names like 'Turn right on Main Street'?
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    #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by gottago View Post
    Check out http://www.telenav.com. It's cheaper and easier to use. YMMV and this is simply my opinion.

    gottago...
    TOMTOM is the greatest. Telenav will only work if you are in a service area and does not have a local database on the device. Sooooo if you are in a remote area trying to information you are hosed.

    I have been using TomTom since the 600 and love it!

    Andy
  16. #36  
    Hi All.

    I have a Treo 650 with Verizon and also have the unlimited data plan.
    I really need a GPS because I am in outside sales.

    I have been trying to decide between buying a kit to use my Treo as my GPS or buying a seperate mobile GPS system.

    Specifically I like the Garmin StreetPilot c340 for $441. No tax. No ship. Can anyone find it cheaper?

    Is sounds like many of you are spending $300 to $350 to buy the software, 4gb sdcard, and receiver to make your TREO into a GPS. Why not buy a seperate unit like the Garmin for $100 more?

    I am just playing devils advocate here. What happens when you upgrade to a newer Treo. Will the new phone still support the old software? What if you cancel your unlimited dataplan? Does that make a difference? Do you NEED an unlimited data plan to use GPS or no?

    What about the size of the screen? The treo's screen is much smaller as compared to the Garmin streetpilots.

    Convince me that I can have a perfect "wired" phone conversation while also using the TREO as my GPS unit at the same time and I'll consider it.

    thoughts?
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGS View Post
    You would also need to get a vehicle mount and recharger (for the both the Palm and the BT GPS receiver.
    I already have a vehicle mount from Proclips. I hope to find a 2-headed cable that can charge my Treo and GPS receiver. This cable looks like it may do the trick http://www.semsons.com/opcabforholb.html
    Pilot 5K->Palm IIIc->Tungsten T/T2->Treo 650/680 -> Pre+ (1.4.5 & Uberkernel)
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    Hi All.

    I have a Treo 650 with Verizon and also have the unlimited data plan.
    I really need a GPS because I am in outside sales.

    I have been trying to decide between buying a kit to use my Treo as my GPS or buying a seperate mobile GPS system.

    Specifically I like the Garmin StreetPilot c340 for $441. No tax. No ship. Can anyone find it cheaper?

    Is sounds like many of you are spending $300 to $350 to buy the software, 4gb sdcard, and receiver to make your TREO into a GPS. Why not buy a seperate unit like the Garmin for $100 more?

    I am just playing devils advocate here. What happens when you upgrade to a newer Treo. Will the new phone still support the old software? What if you cancel your unlimited dataplan? Does that make a difference? Do you NEED an unlimited data plan to use GPS or no?

    What about the size of the screen? The treo's screen is much smaller as compared to the Garmin streetpilots.

    Convince me that I can have a perfect "wired" phone conversation while also using the TREO as my GPS unit at the same time and I'll consider it.

    thoughts?
    I'm going thru the same debate. My trade off is the TomTomOne for $495 which looks like a sweet unit vs. TomTom SW plus a GPS received for about $250. I gotta believe the all-in-one solution is going to be more reliable, but also more expensive and bulkier to carry on the road.

    I am probably going to wait to the Holiday season to make my purchase. Until then I keep the debate going.
    Pilot 5K->Palm IIIc->Tungsten T/T2->Treo 650/680 -> Pre+ (1.4.5 & Uberkernel)
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    Is sounds like many of you are spending $300 to $350 to buy the software, 4gb sdcard, and receiver to make your TREO into a GPS. Why not buy a seperate unit like the Garmin for $100 more?
    It's about $200 in my book. I need the SD card for other stuff anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    What happens when you upgrade to a newer Treo. Will the new phone still support the old software? What if you cancel your unlimited dataplan? Does that make a difference? Do you NEED an unlimited data plan to use GPS or no?
    The TomTom and Garmin packages support Palm OS 5; Garmin also has Windows and Windows Mobile versions at no extra cost (maybe TomTom does too?) so obsolescence isn't likely in case you change platforms. Also, GPS DOES NOT USE INTERNET DATA! WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LEARN THAT? GPS receivers track 27 satellites (24 in operation, plus 3 spares) orbiting above us that are always available, anywhere in the world, any time, in any weather, at no cost (other than that which we've already coughed up as US taxpayers).
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    What about the size of the screen? The treo's screen is much smaller as compared to the Garmin streetpilots.
    Do the math. I did. In the case of Garmin, it isn't that much different except for very expensive units.
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    Convince me that I can have a perfect "wired" phone conversation while also using the TREO as my GPS unit at the same time and I'll consider it.
    I have no problem doing just that with my Garmin GPS 10, and most TomTom users seem to report the same thing.

    I recently went through exactly the same decision making process as you're doing through, and the main factors for me were the higher cost for only slightly bigger screen (2.5" diagonal on the Treo vs. say 3.5" for the street pilot c340 and many other units) and the fact that the stand alone units aren't so portable - I need to use mine for hiking, biking, or just wandering around strange cities. Since I always carry the Treo with me as my phone/PDA/etc anyway, carrying around one extra fairly small GPS receiver is a fairly minor inconvenience.

    Of course, your set of preferences may be different from mine...
  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by treooert2 View Post
    Convince me that I can have a perfect "wired" phone conversation while also using the TREO as my GPS unit at the same time and I'll consider it.

    thoughts?
    Bottom line, you can't get perfect anything. However, you can still complete a call, continue navigation, check your email and surf the web without a trip home to access another device. This has been discussed many time in previous threads. Any combination unit will be a compromise but it all boils down to what level of performance you need (or maybe want) vs. the convenience of having a particular capability available whenever and wherever you need it. If you need superior capabilities for a particular function, such as navigation, then it makes sense to get a stand alone. However, I can tell you that I've used my Treo with TTNav5 many times in situations where a standalone nav unit would have been back in the car, in the parking lot.
    Last edited by jrfaris; 09/27/2006 at 01:07 AM.
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